Small arms and Light Weapons

[JBH22]

There was a report that India was going for license production of AK-103 any idea what happened??

 

[pmaitra]

Latest Kalashnikovs to be made in India

There was a report that India was going for license production of AK-103 any idea what happened??

All I could get is this news report. Not sure whether Izhmash eventually gave/sold the license to India.

Latest Kalashnikovs to be made in India

Pradeep Thakur, TNN, Feb 19, 2008; Times of India

NEW DELHI: With the 61st anniversary of the famed Kalashnikov AK-47 series around the corner, the Russian manufacturer of the world's best-known assault rifle announced that the latest AK-100 series will be manufactured in India.

The Russian arms company, Izhmash, will shortly issue a licence to an Indian private arms manufacturer with whom negotiations are at an advanced stage. Company spokesperson Alexander Xavarzin said assembling of the AK-103 will begin in a year's time and full-scale manufacturing would start once the technology transfer takes place.

The company hopes to sell the gun to various police and paramilitary forces in the country as well as the army. It will not be exported.

The popularity of the assault rifle can be gauged from the fact that originals account for only 8-12% of the total world sales of the Kalashnikov series - the rest are all Kalashnikov clones being manufactured in several countries, according to the Izhmash spokesperson.

Unlike the AK-47 rifle which has a wooden base, the new generation AK-100 series is much lighter and has a body made of plastic. Xavarzin said the plastic component makes it an all-weather rifle, well suited to Indian conditions where soldiers have to trek at high altitudes for a number of days at a stretch.

Source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/AK-100_to_be_made_in_India_soon/articleshow/2793608.cms

 

[ALBY]

even though FNFAL 1C was with indian army why it was seen less action and it could be used as a good support weapon like rpk ?i had only seen them with para sf during Srilankan ops and it is heard that it is now used in BMPs .....why army didnt employ it in mass ?

 

[pmaitra]

even though FNFAL 1C was with indian army why it was seen less action and it could be used as a good support weapon like rpk ?i had only seen them with para sf during Srilankan ops and it is heard that it is now used in BMPs .....why army didnt employ it in mass ?

I'll let army experts answer the main question you asked, because I am a civvie and do not know exactly why they were not employed en masse, but allow me to add that the FN-FAL, which is a very good support weapon with full auto capability in some versions, are quite different from the RFI (w.r.t. the internal mechanisms and measurements) made FN-FAL clones. Also, I believe India already had the setup for the Bren 7.62 mm NATO, plus India was issuing 7.62 mm NATO SMLE rifles (commonly and wrongly called .303 rifles) for second layer defense, such as, civil defense, militia etc..

There were reports that India was negotiating a license transfer for the FN-FAL with Fabrique Nationale de Herstal, but it fell through and India eventually decided to make it's own FN-FAL clones with not many interchangeable parts with the original FN-FAL and called them the SLR. Hence, I have a hunch that the FN-FAL and SLR may be quite different in performance. I wonder if there is a comparative study done between these two rifles.

 

[ALBY]

much had been heard about comparison btw 7.62mm & 5.56*45 mm ammo....But what about the 5.45*39 mm russian standard issue?is it better than nato round?pleas give the details...

 

[Kunal Biswas]

much had been heard about comparison btw 7.62mm & 5.56*45 mm ammo....But what about the 5.45*39 mm russian standard issue?is it better than nato round?pleas give the details...

Actually both 5.45 & 5.56 are spire point bullet and have almost same ballistics, range and weight, SS109 ( Indian Army ) is improved 5.56mm meant for extended range with more energy and velocity which enable the bullet to shred BP jackets also it have a steel core, Though both rounds gives the terrible pain and fatal wounds, When the bullet impacts at high velocity and yaws in tissue, fragmentation creates a rapid transfer of energy which can result in massive wounding but relatively low hydrostatic shock effects, which enable these tangos to keep fighting on, until someone shoot him on head or chest.

 

[Logan]

All I could get is this news report. Not sure whether Izhmash eventually gave/sold the license to India.

Latest Kalashnikovs to be made in India

Pradeep Thakur, TNN, Feb 19, 2008; Times of India

NEW DELHI: With the 61st anniversary of the famed Kalashnikov AK-47 series around the corner, the Russian manufacturer of the world's best-known assault rifle announced that the latest AK-100 series will be manufactured in India.

The Russian arms company, Izhmash, will shortly issue a licence to an Indian private arms manufacturer with whom negotiations are at an advanced stage. Company spokesperson Alexander Xavarzin said assembling of the AK-103 will begin in a year's time and full-scale manufacturing would start once the technology transfer takes place.

The company hopes to sell the gun to various police and paramilitary forces in the country as well as the army. It will not be exported.

The popularity of the assault rifle can be gauged from the fact that originals account for only 8-12% of the total world sales of the Kalashnikov series - the rest are all Kalashnikov clones being manufactured in several countries, according to the Izhmash spokesperson.

Unlike the AK-47 rifle which has a wooden base, the new generation AK-100 series is much lighter and has a body made of plastic. Xavarzin said the plastic component makes it an all-weather rifle, well suited to Indian conditions where soldiers have to trek at high altitudes for a number of days at a stretch.

Source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/AK-100_to_be_made_in_India_soon/articleshow/2793608.cms

Saw this report long back but nothing has been heard since then!!Also the interesting part is that it will be a private arms manufacturer.

 

[sayareakd]

kunal sir, this pic

wont it be problem using INSAS reflex sight with that pressure switch for turning on laser ???

 

[Kunal Biswas]

kunal sir, this pic

wont it be problem using INSAS reflex sight with that pressure switch for turning on laser ???

Yes....




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[pmaitra]

Saw this report long back but nothing has been heard since then!!Also the interesting part is that it will be a private arms manufacturer.

GoI has been rather uncomfortable with the idea of private companies manufacturing small arms and assault rifles. There is a fear that they might channel some of these arms to those who can pay the right amount of money; which, indeed is a legitimate concern. With this in mind, and given that we have not heard any news on private small arms manufacturing, I am inclined to believe that the Izhmash-deal never really went through.

 

[sayareakd]

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this part of INSAS would come in between.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

can anyone tell me what happened to finsas multi-caliber assault rifle,msmc carbine,vidhwanshakanti material rifle. are all those rejected by indian army?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Hmmm.. Best unit of our armed forces does not have a scope in their rifles !!!

@MANC,
Last time we observed that MARCOS with no sights on AK also no Kevlar Helmets, well recent photo suggest marcos gone through no of upgrades..

LAST TIME:

THIS TIME:

As you can see MARCOS like reflex sights Also they issued Kevlar helmets, therefore i hope to see a modified 103 with Rail for MARS Red dot sights!

 

[Kunal Biswas]

the all time grt assault rifle
MY FAVORITE and the ultimate rifle ever made..............

I got some nice pics :

:happy_7:

 

[ALBY]

thanks dude for posting those lovely kalashnikovs ......can u specify which nation produces the last ak in pic ie the AK with M4type buttstocks?

 

[swagger]

looks like ak74. gas block seems to be 90degree means its of of 5.45x39mm.

 

[swagger]

the middle guy carries an INSAS folding stock variant. the rear sight looks similar to an INSAS

 

[Rahul Singh]

kunal sir, this pic

wont it be problem using INSAS reflex sight with that pressure switch for turning on laser ???

Where you took this picture? Last time i saw one pic INSAS having that tubed day light scope. BTW it will be good idea if ARDE upgrades present rails to Picatinny rails, it will allow

 

[ALBY]

@ kunal iknew its an ak47..i asked which type is it IE bulgarian or any custom made one coz never saw an ak with those type of buttstocksks........

 

[pmaitra]

Where you took this picture? Last time i saw one pic INSAS having that tubed day light scope. BTW it will be good idea if ARDE upgrades present rails to Picatinny rails, it will allow

INSAS already has Picatinny Rails for scope mounting.