Skirmishs at LOC, LAC & International Border

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The problem is we are not creating bigger problems for the pakis. The present day condition of pakistan is precarious. Their PM is out with a begging bowl in his hands, the state of their internal security is poor and their standing and image in the world community is all time low. This is the best time for us to strike. We should create a sense of insecurity in pakistan by escalating heavily on the LOC and constantly giving signs of an imminent war by mobilising the army, sending our carrier battle groups and nuclear submarines to the Arabian sea close the the paki EEZ and taking up aggressive air patrols on borders. Pakis would then be forced to spend the money they received in the form of loans from the arabs and chinese on war preparation. And when all their money is used up we should deescalate. This wil break the backbone of the paki economy for good, so much so that it will never recover.
IMO this is precisely we are doing. Havent u seen the way Pakis are rattled by news of S400 and INS Arihant patrols. Our offensives on LoC and the routine videos that we keep showing has definitely given a dent into their nonexistant H&D. I believe they will definitely divert foreign aid money into defence procurement. Their economy has become highly fragile in last 4 yrs as you suggest.
Apart from that we must extend our full support to the baloch freedom movement. We must refurbish and upgrade our old platforms like mig 21s 23s and 27s, t55 tanks etc and arm baloch freedom fighters with them and also provide them a base in Afghanistan with the collaboration of the afgan govt for them to operate. They will make the best use of them I am sure as they are highly motivated and wreck the paki state machinery in balochistan for good.
Covert support to Baloch insurgents is one thing Govt may have been doing. But am not sure large equpmnt like tanks, fighter aircrafts can be given to Baloch. These things cant be hidden nor can they operate without adequate spares and ammo support. Not feasible.
 

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Seems like shortage of cannon fodders from Southern punjab of Pakistan. They r conducting camp in PoK for new recruitment
 

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Pak has no modern SP Arty. They're as old as the hills!

M110A2 variant. The basic version M110 was first introduced in the US Army way back in 1963 and phased out by the US Army Reserve (to which they were transferred), in 1996. This variant from the M110 is nothing but one having a recoil compensator. Due to lack of spares, many are collecting dust or are being cannibalized.

M109 A2 is an American 155mm turreted SP How which was first introduced in the early 1960s. However, these are slightly more contemporary due to a number of modifications carried out by the US. 67 were delivered by the US in 2008 and 48 more were supplied in February 2010 to Pak.

So that's the Pak SP arty armoury. Nothing much to write home about, what?
saw this few days back. cant say if its credible
http://china-defense.blogspot.com/2018/10/a-battary-of-new-truck-mounted-155mm.html

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-A28G0qfE...tC0Fe09bkClhrK8KdY-QCLcBGAs/s1600/xy7eV97.png
 

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Right! The need of the hour is to have a dedicated school for snipers.
An interesting piece on this by Gen.H.S.Panag


Too many sniper rifles, not enough snipers!
July 3, 2017, 9:41 PM IST Lt General H S Panag in Shooting Straight | India | TOI
It is empirical military wisdom that more than the gun, it is the man behind the gun that matters. Implying that human resource development matters more in the military than in any other field. A highly motivated, well trained and highly skilled soldier with an inferior weapon will get the better of an adversary with a better weapon, but inferior motivation, training and skills.

The the word “sniper'” owes its origin to the British Indian Army of late 18th century. A Snipe is a migratory water bird which has become rare these days. The snipe was an elusive bird which was difficult to shoot both on the ground or on the wing due to its alertness and a dodgy ever changing flight. To shoot a snipe on the ground or on the wing, extraordinary skills of field craft and marksmanship were required. A soldier who was good at snipe shooting was called a ”sniper”.

Universally all armies maintain sniper squads in Infantry and Special Forces (SF) units. “Sniping” is a specialised task. A sniper has to be physically fit, mentally robust, skilled at field craft particularly stalking and an exceptional marksman. He has to have the patience to wait or stalk for hours at end to get one shot which has to be a sure shot.

Snipers are very effective in conventional and counter insurgency (CI) operations where enemy soldiers, commanders and terrorists based on intelligence and observation are killed at ranges of 2000 meters plus. Snipers are also used to shoot terrorists in crowds, in hostage situations and during a fire fight where the sniper is in over watch position. Since the snipers are highly skilled they make ever shot count. In Vietnam War 50000 rounds were fired to kill one enemy soldier. The statistics are not known for our army but a rough check done by me in CI operations in J&K found that 5000 round were used to kill one terrorist. Snipers on the other hand take only 1.3 rounds to achieve a kill. Most armies appreciate the worth of snipers and employ elaborate training methods to develop this resource. Very stringent qualification and validation tests are laid out. Only a few make the grade.

In the Indian Army up to late 50s there used to be Sniper Section of 10 men, in each Infantry Battalion, that operated directly under the Commanding Officer. The weapon authorised was the Lee Enfield .303 No 4 Mark 1(T) Rifle considered one of the greatest sniper rifles and had earned a name for itself during the Second World War. A very tough Sniper Course was also run at the Infantry School upto l970. When we switched over to semi automatic 7.62 mm Rifle in the 60s, no replacement was found for the old sniper rifle. Both the sniper rifle and the sniper section just disappeared from the army for 30 years.

In the late early 90s the Dragunov SVDN Sniper Rifle with range of 1300 meters was introduced into the army. India has approximately 360 Infantry Battalions, 50 Assam Rifles Battalions and 62 Rashtriya Rifles Battalions ie a total 472 battalions. Each battalion is authorised 10

Sniper Rifles. Thus, the Indian Army has 4720 sniper rifles. There is no military trade of “sniper” but any soldier with limited training mans the sniper rifle. Generally two snipers are trained in each of the four rifle companies and two are part of the Ghatak Platoon. Sniper rifles are also authorised to SF units.

The Sniper Course was restarted but remains a poor cousin of the former course. The Indian Army’s strength is the regimental ethos and élan. The skill levels are average and assumed to be compensated by motivation and ethos. Adequate attention is not paid to selection, training and sustainment of specialists like the snipers. Indian Infantry does not follow the specialist trade system and a jack of all trades is just not good enough for specialist tasks.

The universal test of a sniper is to score a first shot “head shot” at 600 meters and first shot “body(chest) shot” at 1000 meters and that too after an indefinite wait in a hide. If a sniper can not pass this test he can not be called a sniper and remains a marksman or a sharp shooter. To the best of my knowledge no “sniper” of the Indian Army can pass this test. If there are a few exceptions they will only prove the rule.

The irony is that we gave the word “sniper” to the military world, we have 4700 very effective if not the best, Draugnov Sniper Rifles, but we do not have enough ‘snipers’. More so, when the snipers are most effective in CI operations and Line of Control Warfare.
 

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Covert support to Baloch insurgents is one thing Govt may have been doing. But am not sure large equpmnt like tanks, fighter aircrafts can be given to Baloch. These things cant be hidden nor can they operate without adequate spares and ammo support. Not feasible.
This is why we need to provide them a base in afganistan and cover the same with SAM and mines so that any misadventure by the pakis would cost them dearly. We should also train the baloch freedom fighter is operating and maintaining the equipment and send our advisors there to oversee things.
 

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Pak has no modern SP Arty. They're as old as the hills!

M110A2 variant. The basic version M110 was first introduced in the US Army way back in 1963 and phased out by the US Army Reserve (to which they were transferred), in 1996. This variant from the M110 is nothing but one having a recoil compensator. Due to lack of spares, many are collecting dust or are being cannibalized.

M109 A2 is an American 155mm turreted SP How which was first introduced in the early 1960s. However, these are slightly more contemporary due to a number of modifications carried out by the US. 67 were delivered by the US in 2008 and 48 more were supplied in February 2010 to Pak.

So that's the Pak SP arty armoury. Nothing much to write home about, what?
Good to know. In all practical purposes though, I think their m109s will be equivalent to our K9's as far as border domination is concerned. We have to use our superior numbers in towed artillery.
 

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@Mikesingh sir is it true that we have a weapon reserve in Gorakhpur in case of a war with China
There's the mother of all depots in Panagarh, West Bengal. Have visited the CAD here. Panagarh has enough stuff to last six months if Eastern Command were to engage the Chinese in the North East.

Besides Panagarh also has POL dumps and a vehicle depot. And over the last few years underground bunkers for storage of ammo and arms of a strategic nature has come up.
 

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IMO this is precisely we are doing. Havent u seen the way Pakis are rattled by news of S400 and INS Arihant patrols. Our offensives on LoC and the routine videos that we keep showing has definitely given a dent into their nonexistant H&D.
Check out some of their ISI controlled media. One Paki bitch Mona Alam who claims to be a defence expert started laughing sarcastically when someone pointed out the threat from the Arihant. Another intellectually disabled Paki Army General said that they have been working on a counter to the S-400 for quite some time and have now produced a counter to it and that there's nothing to worry about!! Lol!

I dunno whether to laugh or cry at their idiotic brainless arguments and self delusions.
 

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According to unconfirmed reports, Pakistani army received in 2009 the first batch batch of SH-1 155mm self-propelled howitzer from NORINCO, China. Although the exact number of Pakistan SH-1 155mm self-propelled howitzer under contract is not known but it is likely to be around 90. The SH1 is in service in the Myanmar Army.

This is a truck mounted jugaad with a range of 20km. When using the ERFB-BB/HE round, the howitzer it is said can reach a maximum range of 50km. (Which I think is bullshit). However, we're not sure if this report is true as this system is not shown in Pak Arty inventory.
 

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One more army soldier martyred in nowshera by Pakistani sniper.

Absolutely pathetic display by IA. It seems like we are content with this daily you hit us we hit you routine.
 

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Third Army soldier killed by Pakistani sniper along LoC in J&K

https://indianexpress.com/article/i...-by-pakistani-sniper-along-loc-in-jk-5441515/

An Army soldier was killed Sunday by a Pakistani sniper along the Line of Control in Rajouri district of Jammu and Kashmir, officials said, the third fatal casualty due to sniping from across the border in three days. The soldier, manning a forward post in Kalal area of Noushera sector, was shot by a Pakistani sniper, resulting in his death, they said.
 

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Only solution is capturing heights opposite of Rajouri, poonch districts. Otherwise we will continue to lose young men. Pathetic to see see congress keeps mum on this issue.
 

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No one is putting pressure on BJP govt to escalate this cross border firing to meaningful offensive operation. If media/ Congress continue to ignore this issue, Bjp
will also act like everything is ok . Fanboys here will sing their bhajan to 56inch govt. We wil continue to lose young men.
 
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