Russian involvement in Syrian crisis

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Top Western Middle East Reporter: Let’s Welcome Russia’s Entry Into Syria War
Russia’s intervention could hasten the war’s end
  • Patrick Cockburn is a veteran correspondent from the Middle East. Perhaps the best western reporter from the region. Western capitals would do well to listen

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Originally appeared in The Independent

Russia’s military intervention in Syria, although further internationalising the conflict, does however present opportunities, as well as complications. There are no simple solutions to this terrible war which has destroyed Syria. Out of a population of 22 million, four million Syrians are refugees abroad and seven million have been displaced inside the country.

I was recently in Kurdish-controlled north-east Syria, where the bomb-shattered ruins of Kobani look like pictures of Stalingrad after the battle. But equally significant is the fact that even in towns and villages from which Islamic State (Isis) has been driven, and where houses are largely undamaged, people are too terrified to return.

Syrians are right to be afraid. They know that what happens on the battlefield today may be reversed tomorrow. At this stage, the war is a toxic mix of half a dozen different confrontations and crises, involving players inside and outside the country. Intertwined struggles for power pit Assad against a popular uprising, Shia against Sunni, Kurd against Arab and Turk, Isis against everybody, Iran against Saudi Arabia and Russia against the US.

One of the many problems in ending, or even de-escalating these crises, is that these self-interested players are strong enough to fight their own corners, but too weak to ever checkmate their opponents. This is why the involvement of Moscow could have a positive impact: Russia is at least a heavy hitter, capable of shaping events by its own actions and strongly influencing the behaviour of its allies and proxies.

Barack Obama said at a news conference after the Russian airstrikes that “we’re not going to make Syria into a proxy war between the United States and Russia.” But the US-Soviet Cold War, and the global competition that went with it, had benefits for much of the world. Both superpowers sought to support their own allies and prevent political vacuums from developing which its opposite number might exploit. Crises did not fester in the way they do today, and Russians and Americans could see the dangers of them slipping wholly out of control and provoking an international crisis.

This global balance of power ended with the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, and for the Middle East and North Africa this has meant more wars. There are currently eight armed conflicts raging, including Pakistan and Nigeria (the figure jumps to nine if one includes South Sudan, where the renewal of fighting since 2013 has produced 1.5 million displaced people).

Without a superpower rival, the US, and its allies such as the UK and France, largely ceased to care what happened in these places and, when they did intervene, as in Libya and Iraq, it was to install feeble client regimes. The enthusiasm which David Cameron and Nicolas Sarkozy showed in overthrowing Muammar Gaddafi contrasts with their indifference as Libya collapsed into criminalised anarchy.

Overall, it is better to have Russia fully involved in Syria than on the sidelines so it has the opportunity to help regain control over a situation that long ago spun out of control. It can keep Assad in power in Damascus, but the power to do so means that it can also modify his behaviour and force movement towards reducing violence, local ceasefires and sharing power regionally.

It was always absurd for Washington and its allies to frame the problem as one of “Assad in or Assad out,” when an end to the Assad leadership would lead either to the disintegration of the Syrian state, as in Iraq and Libya, or would have limited impact because participants in the Syrian civil war would simply go on fighting.

The intervention of Russia could be positive in de-escalating the war in Syria and Iraq, but reading the text of President Obama’s press conference suggests only limited understanding of what is happening there. Syria is only one part of a general struggle between Shia and Sunni and, though there are far more Sunni than Shia in the world, this is not so in this region. Between Afghanistan and the Mediterranean – Iran, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon – there are more than 100 million Shia and 30 million Sunni.

In political terms, the disparity is even greater because the militarily powerful Kurdish minorities in Iraq and Syria, though Sunni by religion, are more frightened of Isis and extreme Sunni Arab jihadis than they are of anybody else. Western powers thought Assad would go in 2011-12, and when he didn’t they failed to devise a new policy.

Peace cannot return to Syria and Iraq until Isis is defeated, and this is not happening. The US-led air campaign against Isis has not worked. The Islamic militants have not collapsed under the weight of airstrikes, but, across the Syrian and Iraqi Kurdish regions, either hold the same ground or are expanding.

There is something ludicrous about the debate in Britain about whether or not to join in an air campaign in Syria without mentioning that it has so far demonstrably failed in its objectives.

Going into combat against Isis means supporting, or at least talking to, those powers already fighting the extreme jihadis. For instance, the most effective opponents of Isis in Syria are the Syrian Kurds. They want to advance west across the Euphrates and capture Isis’s last border crossing with Turkey at Jarabulus.

Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Prime Minister of Turkey, said last week he would never accept such a “fait accompli,” but it remains unclear if the US will give air support to its Kurdish allies and put pressure on Turkey not to invade northern Syria.

The Russians and Iranians should be integrated as far as possible into any talks about the future of Syria. But there should be an immediate price for this: such as insisting that if Assad is going to stay for the moment, then his forces must stop shelling and using barrel bombs against opposition-held civilian areas. Local ceasefires have usually only happened in Syria because one side or the other is on the edge of defeat. But wider ceasefires could be arranged if local proxies are pressured by their outside backers.

All these things more or less have to happen together. A problem is that the crises listed above have cross-infected each other. Regional powers such as Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf monarchies do have a strong measure of control over their local proxies. But these regional actors, caring nothing for the destruction of Syria and still dreaming of final victory, will only be forced into compromises by Washington and Moscow.

Russia and America need to be more fully engaged in Syria because, if they are not, the vacuum they leave will be filled by these regional powers with their sectarian and ethnic agendas. Britain could play a positive role here, but only if it stops taking part in “let’s pretend” games whereby hard-line jihadis are re-labelled as moderates.

As with the Northern Ireland peace negotiations in the 1990s, an end to the wars in Syria depends on persuading those involved that they cannot win, but they can survive and get part of what they want. The US and Russia may not be the superpowers they once were, but only they have the power to pursue such agreements.
 

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This video contains a footage already posted by @Akim.

Удары авиации РФ в Сирии / Russian airstrikes in Syria
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Игил обстреляли Российские бомбардировщики в Сирии. Российсая авиация под огнем игил. / ISIS firing at Russian bombers in Syria. Russian Aviation fired at by ISIS.
 

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The Smart Weapons Russia is Using in Syria
Reports from Syria confirm the Russians are using weapons as technologically sophisticated as anything the US has

Daniel Fielding | Russia Insider


KAB-500S-E Satellite Guided Bomb Used by the Russians in Syria

More information has come to light on the Russian military deployment in Syria, making it possible to make more accurate assessments.

The size of the force of fixed wing aircraft based at Latakia is confirmed as follows:

  • 4 SU30s
  • 6 SU34s
  • 12 SU24s
  • 12 SU25s

It is confirmed that the helicopter mix consists of MI8 transport helicopters and at least some MI24 helicopter gunships.

The base is receiving supplies from transport aircraft from central Asia, overflying Iran and Iraq. These are AN124 and IL76 transports. It is likely that some equipment is also being shipped to the base by sea, through the naval base at Tartus.

The bulk of the force consists of two squadrons, one of 12 supersonic SU24 strike aircraft, and one of 12 subsonic SU25 aircraft.

The SU24 is a formidable bomb truck. It is capable of carrying 8 tonnes of bombs and missiles, and has the necessary equipment to do so night and day.

It is also fully capable of delivering precision guided bombs (“smart bombs”) and missiles, and - contrary to some reports - is certainly doing so.

The SU24 was designed for very high speed low level strikes, and that is what it appears it is being used for.

The SU25 is a different sort of machine, originally designed to provide aerial ground support for troops in combat.

As a result, unlike the SU24, it is subsonic. Since it is intended to provide ground support for troops, it is designed to stay in the air (“loiter”) over the same location for lengthy periods of time. Since this exposes it to a much higher risk of ground fire, unlike the SU24 it is heavily armoured.

It packs a formidable punch, including a powerful 30 mm cannon, and is able to carry up to 4 tonnes of bombs and missiles.

In its original form the SU25 was an austerely equipped daytime aircraft. The variant used in Syria is however the highly modernised SU25SM version. This is fully capable of night times strikes, and can also deliver precision guided bombs and missiles, and is certainly doing so.

Television film of SU25s taking off from the Latakia airfield show them doing so in darkness, and it is likely that they too have been used for night time strikes.

Obviously the range of both aircraft is reduced if they load up with the full weight of ordnance (bombs and missiles) they can carry. However, with reduced loads, the SU24 has the range to strike anywhere in Syria.

The SU34 is an altogether more advanced aircraft, able to carry 12 tonnes of bombs and missiles, and is capable of both high speed strikes (like the SU24) and ground support (like the SU25). Like the SU25, but unlike the SU24, it is able to loiter, and is heavily armoured. It is of course capable, like the two older aircraft, of night flying.

Shortly after the first attack the US military, predictably enough, claimed the Russian aircraft were flying with only “dumb” or “iron” bombs, i.e. conventional gravity as opposed to guided or “smart” bombs.

The Russians actually produce the same full range of precision guided bombs that the US does. The Russians may have a smaller stock of such bombs than the US, but they certainly have more than enough for the needs of the relatively small-scale campaign underway in Syria.

Smart bombs are in fact simply adaptations of conventional or “iron” bombs, with guidance mechanisms added.

The usual methods of guidance are: laser guidance, TV guidance, and satellite guidance provided by satellites - the latter using many of the same technologies used by the SatNav devices now common in civilian cars.

Satellite guided bombs are often considered the most accurate, and unlike laser and TV guided bombs, can be used at night and in poor weather conditions.

The Russians started producing laser and TV guided kits for their bombs in the 1970s and 1980s, at roughly the same time as the US did.

The Syrian air campaign has now provided conclusive confirmation that they also have satellite guided bombs. The Russians have confirmed their use in precision strikes in the Syrian air campaign.

Russian satellite bombs use the Russian GLONASS satellite system, rather than the US GPS system.

GLONASS is fractionally less accurate in low latitudes than GPS (it is more accurate than GPS in higher latitudes). It is unlikely the difference in accuracy is such as to make any practical difference.


What possibly led to the early claims the Russians were not using smart bombs was film of SU24s and SU25s being loaded with 100 kg or 250 kg bombs.

The Russians - unlike the US - generally do not consider it cost effective to provide guidance to such small bombs, which they mainly use in an anti-personnel role as a follow-up to the first strike, which is more likely to use smart bombs.

All reports of smart bombs being used by the Russians in Syria show these weigh no less than 500 kg.

The 500 kg bombs used so far are in two forms: conventional high-explosive FAB-500 bombs, and concrete-piercing BetAB-500 bombs, which are used against reinforced structures.

The FAB-500 bombs are pure gravity bombs. The BetAB-500 bombs have solid-fuel rocket boosters to give them extra penetration.


When FAB bombs are adapted to smart bombs, the Russians re-designate them KAB bombs (“korrekteeruyemaya aviabomba”).

The 500 kg smart bombs used in Syria are therefore called by the Russians KAB-500s. When these bombs use laser guidance their full designation is KAB-500L. When they use satellite guidance it is KAB-500S-E.

Bombs using both these types of guidance are confirmed as having been used in Syria. TV guided bombs may also have been used, though so far there are no reports of this. Their full designation is KAB-500T.

In addition to these bombs, which are known to have been used, the Russians can also draw on a huge array of other bombs if they want or need to.

The SU24 and SU34 used in the operation are fully capable of carrying much heavier bombs than the 500 kg bombs so far known to have been used.

There are for example known to be smart bomb versions of 1,500 kg bombs - three times heavier than the 500 kg bombs so far used - which could certainly be carried by the SU24s and SU34s. The maximum weight of any single bomb the SU34 can carry is 4,000 kg.

The Russians have even heavier bombs. The heaviest FAB bomb known to exist weighs up to 9,500 kg (i.e. more than 9 tonnes). It was used by the Iraqis to devastating effect in the so-called “War of the Cities” during the Iran-Iraq War.

Use of such monsters would require deployment of much larger and heavier aircraft than those used so far. The aircraft the Russians would use if they decided to use such bombs would be the TU22M supersonic medium bomber.

The air base in Latakia almost certainly cannot support such large aircraft. However, if the decision were taken to use them their deployment in Latakia would be unnecessary. TU22Ms carrying large bombs have the range with inflight refuelling to carry out strikes on Syrian targets from bases in Russia.

So far there is no sign of such heavy aircraft being used, and it seems the Russians have concluded there is no need for them.

A perhaps more likely possibility is use of fuel/air or thermobaric bombs, first used by the Russians in Afghanistan in the 1980s, and perfected by the Russians since then.

These bombs - sometimes called “vacuum bombs” - are filled with a high-calorie liquid fuel in place of the usual solid explosive. Their fuse fires at a certain level above the ground, causing the bomb casing to burst, atomising the liquid content as a huge aerosol cloud, which is then ignited by a second detonator. The almost instantaneous combustion of the cloud of fuel mist burns up all the oxygen inside the resulting fireball, creating a vacuum into which the surrounding air rushes in.

The blast effect is said to be like that of a nuclear explosion, though much less powerful.

These are devastating area weapons, capable of causing massive destruction.

The Russians use the designation ODAB for these bombs (“obyomnodetoneeruyushchaya aviabomba” - ‘volume detonation air-dropped bomb’). The smallest versions weigh 500 kg and have the designations ODAB-500P and ODAB-500PM. There are known to be much bigger versions, including the colossal AVBPM, which weighs a monstrous 7,000 kg (7 tonnes) and has a blast effect equivalent to 44 tonnes of TNT, making it the most powerful non-nuclear bomb in existence.

Should any of these bombs appear during the air campaign in Syria, it will mark a dramatic escalation of the campaign.

Gravity bombs are not the only types of precision guided weapons the Russians use. The Russians - in contrast to the US - have in fact consistently shown a strong bias towards favouring air to ground missiles over bombs.

Two types of missiles are known to have been used in Syria, both well suited to the campaign underway there.

The first is the Kh-29 guided missile, which is sometimes compared to the US Maverick. Its warhead (320 kg) is however much heavier (depending on the subtype the Maverick’s warhead ranges from 60 kg to 140 kg).

The Kh-29 is designed for use against larger battlefield targets and infrastructure such as industrial buildings, depots and bridges. It has a range of 10-30 km, depending on the variant, and comes with a variety of guidance systems, including laser, infrared, active radar or TV guidance.

The Russians have confirmed use of the laser guided version of this potent missile during the Syrian campaign - launched probably by SU34 or SU24 aircraft. It is likely other forms of this missile will be used as well.

The other missile that has apparently been seen in use in Syria (though reports of its use are less reliable) is the much simpler S-25L.

This is a shorter ranged missile with a range of 3-8 km, which originated as an unguided rocket that was adapted to laser guidance (there is also said to be another version that uses infrared guidance). It carries a potent warhead of 190 kg. Pictures of this missile published some years ago show that it is capable of being carried by the SU25.

The Russians possess many other air to ground missiles they could deploy in Syria if they were minded to do so.

These include any of the very extensive family of Kh-25 missiles, which are smaller but cheaper than the Kh-29, and which have been produced in very large quantities. All the aircraft present in Syria - the SU34, SU24 and SU25 - can carry these missiles.

The Russians are in the process of replacing their Kh-25 missiles with a new family of more advanced missiles designated Kh-38. These too can be launched by any of the aircraft currently stationed in Syria. There are no reports however of the Russians so far having used these missiles.

In summary, the Russians possess the full range of precision guided weapons (smart bombs and missiles) the US and the Western powers have, and reports from Syria confirm they are using them.

Perhaps they have fewer such weapons than the US does (though there is little in the way of hard evidence of this), and the tactics may differ.

However there is no reason to think the Russian weapons are in any way inferior to those of the US, and the Russians undoubtedly have many more of these weapons than any European air force does (including those of Britain and France).

Certainly the Russians have more than enough of these weapons to see them through the present campaign. Indeed, as we have seen, they have immensely powerful and very sophisticated weapons such as fuel/air bombs they have chosen so far not to use, but which they could use if they chose to. No other power possesses such weapons in such numbers, save for the US.

These weapons are of course only as effective as the personnel who use them, and the surveillance and targeting systems that are needed to make them work.

Of the high level of training of the Russian pilots and ground crews there is no doubt, and film of their operations at the base provided by RT TV confirms this.

Of the surveillance and targeting systems the Russians are using we know far less. The Russians are understandably unwilling to disclose information about these systems.

The Russians are especially secretive about the capabilities of their surveillance drones. There are in fact many reports coming out of Syria of the presence of large numbers of Russian drones there. This is logical, and there is no reason to doubt these reports, and that Russian drones are present in Syria in large numbers.

There would in fact be little point in developing technologically advanced precision guided weapons if the surveillance and targeting systems - including drones - to use them effectively did not exist. There is no doubt the Russians do possess such systems, even if we know little about them. The information about the Russian strikes that is coming out of Syria confirms their effectiveness.

The Russians therefore have all the capabilities they need to sustain or even escalate their bombing campaign for as long as they want to. Indeed they are more than capable of sustaining it indefinitely, if that is what they decide to do.

POSTSCRIPT: After the above was written the Russians confirmed use of two more precision guided weapons in the air campaign.

One is - not surprisingly - the laser guided version of the well-known Kh-25 missile.

The other is a previously little known precision guided bomb, the KAB-250S-E, which uses satellite guidance.

This is a new guided bomb developed originally for use on the new SU T50 fifth generation fighter and strike aircraft, that is now in advanced development.

It seems that the Russians - like the US - have concluded that the pinpoint accuracy provided by satellite guidance makes the development of a small satellite guided 250 kg bomb worthwhile.

This development by the Russians of a 250 kg satellite guided smart bomb provides further confirmation of the underlying point: the Russians have the same range and capabilities in precision guided weapons that the US has. Perennial claims of US superiority in this area are wrong.
1 - KAB-500SE is an export version and doesn't make use by VKS.
2 - All the Su-25 in VKS usage have undergone modernization to SM3 standard, including new engines, avionics, targetting system (SOLT-25 EOTS instead of Klen-PS laser designator), SVP-24-25 mission computers and software, TKS-2M datalinks and Vitebsk-25 self-defence suites.
 

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Commentators at Times of India, a popular Indian English language newspaper, react to Russian air strikes in Syria (URL fragment included so that doubting Thomases can go check):

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Don't out them that quickly.Russia is still a superpower.Presently there are only two super powers US and Russia.
Fighting ISIS is not on the cards but if their Assets'(Assad's) assets were harmed they'll move into action.Now Assad's assets have become their assets too.They own Assad he is their only game in Syria.

How the power transition happens has to be seen on the negotiating table with US.
I don't get why Indians are so into proving Russia as a super power. We must look after Indian interest and not bother much about Russians.
There is only one super power that is USA.
PRC is catching up with US. India has a very long way, we are just at the beginning of the race.
 

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I don't get why Indians are so into proving Russia as a super power. We must look after Indian interest and not bother much about Russians.
There is only one super power that is USA.
PRC is catching up with US. India has a very long way, we are just at the beginning of the race.
It is because we will fight for our lives and nations togather.
If you've got seen the Victory Parade in Moscow, you have a possibility to see a new anti-faschist coalition.

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It is because we will fight for our lives and nations togather.
If you've got seen the Victory Parade in Moscow, you have a possibility to see a new anti-faschist coalition.

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Sir, I couldn't understand what you wish to convey.
USA and its coterie has been acting like dictators in world affairs, that @gadeshi is not much wrong in calling it fascist regime. USA may be a democracy in home, but its foreign affairs is so high handed and callous that anybody with a sense of self-respect would be weary of it. USA probably is the country which holds the record number in getting involved in destroying democracies in other nations. Even in India, they have been busy undermining our own national interests through NGOs. Remember Ford Foundation? The witch-hunt against Modi sponsored by the NGOs funded from USA?

So, USA may be a Supah Powah, but aligning with it will create more trouble then benefit gained. I am not calling for India to align with Russia or China for the matter. But, having another acknowledged Super Power, and Russia fits the bill, will help Indian interest globally more than having the biggest bully to go unchallenged in the world affair.

Also, Russia is indeed a Super Power, whether you like it or not, and whether you or India accepts it or not. Yes, it has rather limited no. of hardware to its name compared to USA and a far weaker economy at present. But, ultimately what matters it what that hardwares and economy gets you. The hardware USA has had for last more than a decade has failed to get a successful military victory anywhere at all. It was 'defeated' in Afghanisthan, in Iraq and losing in Libiya, and in Syria. The hardware and money simply didn't help when the war was protracted and body-count rose, and USA had to scoot, leaving behind a legacy of destruction and in defeat. Now, we don't know whether Russia will be successful in destroying ISIS in Syria. But, even if their help is proven to be futile and ISIS wins, or FSA wins, still they would be ahead in success in Super Power muscle flexing given its success in Georgia and Ukraine. Albeit, those were incidents next door to Russia itself. But those were successful intervention, when USA just bombed and blasted away everything and created a huge mess that destabilized not only ME, but the world.

Given the record of USA's international relationship, we would best have a counter to it.
 

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Russia-Israel talks on Syria military coordination to open Tuesday

Russian army delegation arrives for two days of talks on how to avoid confrontation in neighboring war-torn country

By TIMES OF ISRAEL STAFF October 6, 2015, 4:01 am

A senior Russian delegation of army officials is set to arrive in Israel on Tuesday for talks on military coordination in Syria.

The summit was announced last month, after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and IDF chief of staff Gadi Eisenkot visited Moscow for discussions on the ongoing Syria crisis and increased Russian intervention.




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Saudi Clerics Call for Jihad Against Syrian Government, Russia, Iran
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Dozens of Islamist Saudi Arabian clerics have called on Arab and Muslim countries to "give all moral, material, political and military" support to what they term a jihad, or holy war, against Syria's government and its Iranian and Russian backers.

Although the clerics who signed the online statement are not affiliated with the government, their strong sectarian and anti-Christian language reflects mounting anger among many Saudis over Russian and Iranian involvement in Syria's civil war.

Russia last week started airstrikes against Syrian opposition targets that it describes as aimed at weakening the jihadist Islamic State group, a move Riyadh has denounced. The clerics' statement compared it to the Soviet Union's 1980 invasion of Afghanistan, which prompted an international jihad.

"The holy warriors of Syria are defending the whole Islamic nation. Trust them and support them … because if they are defeated, God forbid, it will be the turn of one Sunni country after another," the statement said

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Any, preferably non Russian, press about the Russians attacking actual ISIS, not "Al Qaida", or that Chinese aircraft carrier turning up?
 

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Any, preferably non Russian, press about the Russians attacking actual ISIS, not "Al Qaida", or that Chinese aircraft carrier turning up?
Chinese carrier is useless for now as J-15 is still a prototype.

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Any, preferably non Russian, press about the Russians attacking actual ISIS, not "Al Qaida", or that Chinese aircraft carrier turning up?
I saw Israeli Debka file hyping Chinese a/c presence in the Mediterranean in alliance with Rus, Iran. but that's not true of course.

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USA and its coterie has been acting like dictators in world affairs, that @gadeshi is not much wrong in calling it fascist regime. USA may be a democracy in home, but its foreign affairs is so high handed and callous that anybody with a sense of self-respect would be weary of it. USA probably is the country which holds the record number in getting involved in destroying democracies in other nations. Even in India, they have been busy undermining our own national interests through NGOs. Remember Ford Foundation? The witch-hunt against Modi sponsored by the NGOs funded from USA?
Isn't this what ever country does? Every country looks after their own interest and only fools try to make others happy.
So, USA may be a Supah Powah, but aligning with it will create more trouble then benefit gained. I am not calling for India to align with Russia or China for the matter.
But, having another acknowledged Super Power, and Russia fits the bill, will help Indian interest globally more than having the biggest bully to go unchallenged in the world affair.
How will having another acknowledged Super Power (Russia) will help Indian interest globally???? Russian will look for their interest not Indian interest.
Also, Russia is indeed a Super Power, whether you like it or not, and whether you or India accepts it or not. Yes, it has rather limited no. of hardware to its name compared to USA and a far weaker economy at present.
Just another day dream. I think you need to research a bit more about term Super power.
Russian Federation is Potential superpowers at best.
Economy and military do matter.
But, ultimately what matters it what that hardwares and economy gets you. The hardware USA has had for last more than a decade has failed to get a successful military victory anywhere at all. It was 'defeated' in Afghanistan, in Iraq and losing in Libiya, and in Syria. The hardware and money simply didn't help when the war was protracted and body-count rose, and USA had to scoot, leaving behind a legacy of destruction and in defeat.
Hardwares and economy matters. Just look at the looses suffered by USA compared to Soviets. Afghanistan by itself is unconquerable. You need to visit Afghanistan to understand this. As far as Americans are concerned they achieved this goal in Afghanistan. They killed OBL and also after 9/11 their hasn't been a major terrorist attack on continental US.
As for Iraq War :
Before the 2003 invasion, Iraq's domestic oil industry was fully nationalized and closed to Western oil companies. A decade of war later, it is largely privatized and utterly dominated by foreign firms.
From ExxonMobil and Chevron to BP and Shell, the West's largest oil companies have set up shop in Iraq.
The war is the one and only reason for this long sought and newly acquired access.
As for Syria their is no oil for which US will physically get involved in the conflict. Its pure economics and nothing else. Hence the Americans will let Russians do what they want.
Now, we don't know whether Russia will be successful in destroying ISIS in Syria.
And yet people have started claiming Russia is a super power.
Given the record of USA's international relationship, we would best have a counter to it.
No country super-power or not will counter any other country (leave USA out of the equation) for Indian interest.
Lets just talk about how we can make sure Indian interest are maintained and no other country will screw with us.
 
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Isn't this what ever country does? Every country looks after their own interest and only fools try to make others happy.

How will having another acknowledged Super Power (Russia) will help Indian interest globally???? Russian will look for their interest not Indian interest.

Just another day dream. I think you need to research a bit more about term Super power.
Russian Federation is Potential superpowers at best.
Economy and military do matter.

Hardwares and economy matters. Just look at the looses suffered by USA compared to Soviets. Afghanistan by itself is unconquerable. You need to visit Afghanistan to understand this. As far as Americans are concerned they achieved this goal in Afghanistan. They killed OBL and also after 9/11 their hasn't been a major terrorist attack on continental US.
As for Iraq War :
Before the 2003 invasion, Iraq's domestic oil industry was fully nationalized and closed to Western oil companies. A decade of war later, it is largely privatized and utterly dominated by foreign firms.
From ExxonMobil and Chevron to BP and Shell, the West's largest oil companies have set up shop in Iraq.
The war is the one and only reason for this long sought and newly acquired access.
As for Syria their is no oil for which US will physically get involved in the conflict. Its pure economics and nothing else. Hence the Americans will let Russians do what they want.

And yet people have started claiming Russia is a super power.

No country super-power or not will counter any other country (leave USA out of the equation) for Indian interest.
Lets just talk about how we can make sure Indian interest are maintained and no other country will screw with us.
No.
Some countries like Russia, India and China look the equal abilities and common development for all to not to have imperialistic troubles.
 
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Some countries like Russia, India and China look the equal abilities and common development for all to not to have imperialistic troubles.
How does this counter my point? All I said was every country will look after its own interest and not other's.
 

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Comments form a recent BBC article:

Syria conflict: Russia violation of Turkish airspace 'no accident'
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34453739

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In early 2014, when BBC has opened comment sections in articles about Ukrainian crisis, most of the comments were pro-Russian. First, BBC had closed the ability to comment them, but then they removed comment sections entirely, even from archives. Some months later, there was a series of publications in British press, describing an army Putin's trolls, that does not sleep in order fill foreign sites with pro-Russian comments. After a year-long propagandist campaign they began to open comments for some news from Ukrainian crisis again, to check how public opinion changed, and... this time most comments were negative about Russia.

Now I watch some sort of Déjà Vu, I bet BBC will act the same.
 
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How are Israel and Russia going to work together? Strange when Iran is on Russian side.
 

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