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Obama Refuses To Accept US Soldiers Bodies Killed By Russian Airstrikes In Syria
Link at video with an article with one moderately graphic picture of people, who could be al-Qaida or CIA operative, or US troops, allegedly killed by Russian air strikes: http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1923.htm
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Link at video with an article with one moderately graphic picture of people, who could be al-Qaida or CIA operative, or US troops, allegedly killed by Russian air strikes: http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1923.htm
Can anyone corroborate this? It is unlikely US army will be there, but it is possible US mercenaries might be there.
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Lavrov: Show Us Your Fake “Free Syrian Army”
Russia is willing to coordinate with the “phantom” group, but nobody can seem to find them; except maybe on CNN
(TASS) | Russia Insider
So are these head-choppers your friends?
This article originally appeared at TASS - Russian News Agency
The Free Syrian Army and the moderate opposition in general remain a “phantom” group, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has said, adding that Moscow has called on the US to explain what it is and where it is based.
“No one has told us where the Free Syrian Army operates or where and how the other units of the moderate opposition act,” Lavrov said.
“We will even be ready to establish contact with it, if these are indeed efficient armed groups of the patriotic opposition that consist of Syrians,” the foreign minister added.
So far, the Free Syrian Army remains a “phantom group,” he said. “Nothing is known about it,” Lavrov said.
Lavrov said he has asked US Secretary of State John Kerry to provide information on this group and its leadership.
Last week, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said “there is absolutely controversial information about this so-called army.” “What is Free Syrian Army? Is this an official term? Are they official armed forces or what is it,” Peskov said. He reiterated that Russia would support Syria in the fight against the Islamic State terrorist group and other extremists and terrorists.
Russia is willing to coordinate with the “phantom” group, but nobody can seem to find them; except maybe on CNN
(TASS) | Russia Insider
So are these head-choppers your friends?
This article originally appeared at TASS - Russian News Agency
The Free Syrian Army and the moderate opposition in general remain a “phantom” group, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has said, adding that Moscow has called on the US to explain what it is and where it is based.
“No one has told us where the Free Syrian Army operates or where and how the other units of the moderate opposition act,” Lavrov said.
“We will even be ready to establish contact with it, if these are indeed efficient armed groups of the patriotic opposition that consist of Syrians,” the foreign minister added.
So far, the Free Syrian Army remains a “phantom group,” he said. “Nothing is known about it,” Lavrov said.
Lavrov said he has asked US Secretary of State John Kerry to provide information on this group and its leadership.
Last week, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said “there is absolutely controversial information about this so-called army.” “What is Free Syrian Army? Is this an official term? Are they official armed forces or what is it,” Peskov said. He reiterated that Russia would support Syria in the fight against the Islamic State terrorist group and other extremists and terrorists.
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France Backs Russia Targeting “All Terrorists” in Syria
French foreign minister specifically names US-backed Al-Nusra Front as a terrorist group
(German Economic News) | Russia Insider
The French decided to call a spade a spade
This article originally appeared in German Economic News. Translated from the German by Werner Schrimpf.
The French will support Russia’s fight against terrorists in Syria. U.S. President Obama will be kept informed about developments.
Last Monday, French foreign minister Laurent Fabius took a surprising stance in favor of Russian air strikes in Syria. During an interview with French radio station Europe1 Fabius stated that these aerial attacks must be flown not just against ISIS but against all other groups which can be classified as terroristic. Russia’s news agency TASS also cited this interview.
The interesting aspect of this interview is the correction of a former announcement of French president Hollande on last Friday arguing Russia is just allowed to hit ISIS – and nobody else.
This is bad news for NATO. Since the launch of Russia’s air strikes NATO and U.S.-Neocons are keen to escalate the situation accusing the Russians of attacking other terrorist groups beyond IS. But this is exactly the task of the Russians, Fabius declared during his interview.
Fabius explained further that president Hollande shares of course the same view but had been in a hurry during his last interview and probably was not precise enough. It is very embarrassing for the U.S. and Turkey that Fabius explicitly defined Jabhat al-Nusra Front as potential target. Al Nusra Front– a Syrian Al-Qaida branch is financed and equipped by the U.S. and Turkey.
Nevertheless the French position is basically in line with the policy of U.S. president Obama. A couple of weeks ago Obama encouraged the Russians to intervene in Syria.
A permanent information exchange concerning the progress of the raids has been established. Israel is being informed as well and cooperates with the Russians on an informal basis.
The French air raids have been flown for a while now. Obviously there is no common idea within NATO concerning the future strategy in Syria. It is not clear whether there is coordination between Russia and France when flying the aerial attacks.
Gulf states and Turkey share other interests in the region and are opposing the Russians. Turkey is demanding financial support from the EU to cover the cost for running the refugee camps and additionally for some sort of standstill agreement with respect to Turkey’s own military activities in Syria and Northern Iraq.
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Commentary: France’s position is confused, and France itself appears to be confused. I have read contradictory articles on France’s position.
French foreign minister specifically names US-backed Al-Nusra Front as a terrorist group
(German Economic News) | Russia Insider
The French decided to call a spade a spade
This article originally appeared in German Economic News. Translated from the German by Werner Schrimpf.
The French will support Russia’s fight against terrorists in Syria. U.S. President Obama will be kept informed about developments.
Last Monday, French foreign minister Laurent Fabius took a surprising stance in favor of Russian air strikes in Syria. During an interview with French radio station Europe1 Fabius stated that these aerial attacks must be flown not just against ISIS but against all other groups which can be classified as terroristic. Russia’s news agency TASS also cited this interview.
The interesting aspect of this interview is the correction of a former announcement of French president Hollande on last Friday arguing Russia is just allowed to hit ISIS – and nobody else.
This is bad news for NATO. Since the launch of Russia’s air strikes NATO and U.S.-Neocons are keen to escalate the situation accusing the Russians of attacking other terrorist groups beyond IS. But this is exactly the task of the Russians, Fabius declared during his interview.
Fabius explained further that president Hollande shares of course the same view but had been in a hurry during his last interview and probably was not precise enough. It is very embarrassing for the U.S. and Turkey that Fabius explicitly defined Jabhat al-Nusra Front as potential target. Al Nusra Front– a Syrian Al-Qaida branch is financed and equipped by the U.S. and Turkey.
Nevertheless the French position is basically in line with the policy of U.S. president Obama. A couple of weeks ago Obama encouraged the Russians to intervene in Syria.
A permanent information exchange concerning the progress of the raids has been established. Israel is being informed as well and cooperates with the Russians on an informal basis.
The French air raids have been flown for a while now. Obviously there is no common idea within NATO concerning the future strategy in Syria. It is not clear whether there is coordination between Russia and France when flying the aerial attacks.
Gulf states and Turkey share other interests in the region and are opposing the Russians. Turkey is demanding financial support from the EU to cover the cost for running the refugee camps and additionally for some sort of standstill agreement with respect to Turkey’s own military activities in Syria and Northern Iraq.
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Commentary: France’s position is confused, and France itself appears to be confused. I have read contradictory articles on France’s position.
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Iraq Asks For Russian Airstrikes; US Air Force “Small Help”
In a devastating blow to US influence in the country it occupied in 2003, Iraq’s government has called for Russian assistance against ISIS. Meanwhile, Iraqis in the streets are celebrating Vladimir Putin.
Matt Bradley | (The Wall Street Journal) | Ghassan Adnan | Russia Insider
“Thumbs up” for Russia
BAGHDAD—Iraqi Shiite lawmakers and militia leaders are urging Russia to launch airstrikes on Islamic State militants in their country, a sharp reproach to the U.S.-led air campaign targeting the extremist group.
Since Moscow began bombing opponents of the regime in Syria last week, the lawmakers and militia leaders have pressed Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi to invite Russia to intervene in Iraq. Mr. Abadi said last week that he would welcome Russian airstrikes in Iraq as long as they were coordinated with the U.S.-led coalition.
Iraq’s Shiite politicians, who dominate the government, were largely united in their praise of Russia’s intervention and calls for Russian airstrikes.
“We welcome Russian airstrikes in Iraq to help hit Islamic State headquarters, target Islamic State supply lines from Syria and target the oil smuggling lines,” said Moeen al-Kadhimi, a spokesman for the Badr Corps, an Iranian-backed militia and political party that plays a front-line role in fighting Islamic State. “We welcome Russia as they have advanced military technology and can help with intelligence.”
Many Iraqi Shiite politicians have close ties with Shiite Iran, and Tehran is one of the closest allies of Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad,whose regime is dominated by the Shiite-linked Alawite minority. Iraq’s government said last week that it had sealed an agreement with Russia, Iran and the Syrian regime to share intelligence in an effort to combat Islamic State.
A Russian intervention would rival American influence in Iraq and increase the risks of a regional clash between the two powers. Nevertheless, momentum appears to be quickly building for increased Russian involvement in Iraq.
Some Iraqi officials have expressed concern about a potential proxy war between the U.S. and Russia spilling into their country.
“This intervention is going to cause confusion to the area,” said Mahmoud al-Mashhadani, a leading Sunni lawmaker and former speaker of parliament. “We fear that this intervention will cause a second Afghanistan in Western Iraq and Eastern Syria.”
Iraq’s government has already agreed to form an “operations room” in Baghdad to facilitate the intelligence sharing with representatives of the Syrian regime, Russia and Iran.
Mr. Abadi on Tuesday called the U.S.-led coalition “a small help” and said he sought to maintain cordial relations with both the Americans and Russians.
“This doesn’t mean that I reject the small help. Even the one single bomb would be helpful to me,” he said at the opening of a hospital.
A delegation of lawmakers from Iraq’s defense and security committee in parliament is scheduled to travel to Moscow in early November to hash out more details of the intelligence-sharing agreement, said Shakwan Abdullah, the deputy head of the committee.
In response to questions about its plans in Iraq,The head of Russia’s Federation Council, the upper house of parliament, said during an official visit to Jordan on Tuesday that Moscow could carry out bombing raids in Iraq if the government requested. The Council approved the use of Russian force in Syria late last month.
“In the case of an appeal by the Iraqi leadership to Russian Federation, the country’s leadership will consider the political and military expediency of our air force’s participation in an air operation,” said Federation Council head Valentina Matviyenko. “No appeal yet has been made.”
The rising calls for Russian intervention come as Iraq’s security continues to worsen. Islamic State claimed responsibility for a rash of bombings that killed more than 50 people throughout the country on Monday.
The worst attack killed 36 people and injured 75 when a suicide bomber detonated a car bomb Monday in a parking lot in a crowded area of Khalis, a mostly Shiite city about 40 miles north of Baghdad in Diyala province, said Hasan Shalal, mayor of the city.
In separate attacks, eight people were killed and 35 injured in a car bombing in a town southwest of the southern city of Basra. A car bombing in the northern Baghdad neighborhood killed two and injured eight, according to the Ministry of Interior.
Much of the support from Shiite lawmakers and militia leaders for a Russian intervention stems from frustration with the U.S.-led air campaign in Iraq and Syria.
U.S. military officials have rejected Iraqi claims that the coalition has made limited progress. They point to progress reclaiming some of the territory since Islamic State took over about a quarter of Iraq in the summer of 2014.
Though Iraqis militia fighters and soldiers have retaken a few cities with the help of U.S. air support, they have also lost important cities such as the Anbar provincial capital of Ramadi in May. An offensive to retake Anbar from Islamic State has stalled months after it was announced.
The frustrations with the U.S. are also rooted in sectarian tensions. Some Iraqi Shiite politicians consider the U.S. reluctance to commit ground troops or aggressively expand its bombing raids as a ploy to empower Iraq’s Sunni minority at the expense of Shiites who now dominate the government.
Hassan Salim, a leading parliamentarian with the Iran-backed militia Asaib Ahl al-Haq, or League of the Righteous, accused those who oppose Russia’s intervention of supporting American interests in dividing Iraq and establishing an independent Sunni state.
“Those who object to the alliance are deluded by America. They aim to achieve their dream of setting up the Sunni region,” he said at a news conference on Monday, flanked by other Shiite leaders.
Iraq’s Sunnis have had closer ties to the U.S. and its allies in the region, particularly the Sunni-led Gulf Arab states.
Many have viewed Russian moves as potentially empowering Iran, though some Sunni politicians greeted news of the Russian intervention against Islamic State with reluctant support.
Official support for Russian intervention has spilled into Iraqi social media. For the past week, Iraqis have traded images and videos—both humorous and sincere—thanking Russian President Vladimir Putin and critiquing the American military.
In one widely circulated Facebook post, Mr. Putin wears his characteristic wry smile and the black turban of an ayatollah, or Shiite cleric.
“Ayatollah Putin, may God keeps Putin’s blessing on us,” reads the accompanying text.
— Thomas Grove in Moscow and Safa Majeed in Baghdad contributed to this article.
Write to Matt Bradley at [email protected]
In a devastating blow to US influence in the country it occupied in 2003, Iraq’s government has called for Russian assistance against ISIS. Meanwhile, Iraqis in the streets are celebrating Vladimir Putin.
Matt Bradley | (The Wall Street Journal) | Ghassan Adnan | Russia Insider
“Thumbs up” for Russia
- Iraq’s PM Haider al-Abadi “welcomes” Russian airstrikes inside Iraq;
- al-Abadi calls US airstrikes just “a small help”
- ISIS has stepped up terror bombings in Iraqi cities
- A large chorus of Iraqi MPs are calling for Russian aid
- Russia says will consider Iraqi appeal for help
- Vladimir Putin praised by ordinary Iraqis
BAGHDAD—Iraqi Shiite lawmakers and militia leaders are urging Russia to launch airstrikes on Islamic State militants in their country, a sharp reproach to the U.S.-led air campaign targeting the extremist group.
Since Moscow began bombing opponents of the regime in Syria last week, the lawmakers and militia leaders have pressed Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi to invite Russia to intervene in Iraq. Mr. Abadi said last week that he would welcome Russian airstrikes in Iraq as long as they were coordinated with the U.S.-led coalition.
Iraq’s Shiite politicians, who dominate the government, were largely united in their praise of Russia’s intervention and calls for Russian airstrikes.
“We welcome Russian airstrikes in Iraq to help hit Islamic State headquarters, target Islamic State supply lines from Syria and target the oil smuggling lines,” said Moeen al-Kadhimi, a spokesman for the Badr Corps, an Iranian-backed militia and political party that plays a front-line role in fighting Islamic State. “We welcome Russia as they have advanced military technology and can help with intelligence.”
Many Iraqi Shiite politicians have close ties with Shiite Iran, and Tehran is one of the closest allies of Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad,whose regime is dominated by the Shiite-linked Alawite minority. Iraq’s government said last week that it had sealed an agreement with Russia, Iran and the Syrian regime to share intelligence in an effort to combat Islamic State.
A Russian intervention would rival American influence in Iraq and increase the risks of a regional clash between the two powers. Nevertheless, momentum appears to be quickly building for increased Russian involvement in Iraq.
Some Iraqi officials have expressed concern about a potential proxy war between the U.S. and Russia spilling into their country.
“This intervention is going to cause confusion to the area,” said Mahmoud al-Mashhadani, a leading Sunni lawmaker and former speaker of parliament. “We fear that this intervention will cause a second Afghanistan in Western Iraq and Eastern Syria.”
Iraq’s government has already agreed to form an “operations room” in Baghdad to facilitate the intelligence sharing with representatives of the Syrian regime, Russia and Iran.
Mr. Abadi on Tuesday called the U.S.-led coalition “a small help” and said he sought to maintain cordial relations with both the Americans and Russians.
“This doesn’t mean that I reject the small help. Even the one single bomb would be helpful to me,” he said at the opening of a hospital.
A delegation of lawmakers from Iraq’s defense and security committee in parliament is scheduled to travel to Moscow in early November to hash out more details of the intelligence-sharing agreement, said Shakwan Abdullah, the deputy head of the committee.
In response to questions about its plans in Iraq,The head of Russia’s Federation Council, the upper house of parliament, said during an official visit to Jordan on Tuesday that Moscow could carry out bombing raids in Iraq if the government requested. The Council approved the use of Russian force in Syria late last month.
“In the case of an appeal by the Iraqi leadership to Russian Federation, the country’s leadership will consider the political and military expediency of our air force’s participation in an air operation,” said Federation Council head Valentina Matviyenko. “No appeal yet has been made.”
The rising calls for Russian intervention come as Iraq’s security continues to worsen. Islamic State claimed responsibility for a rash of bombings that killed more than 50 people throughout the country on Monday.
The worst attack killed 36 people and injured 75 when a suicide bomber detonated a car bomb Monday in a parking lot in a crowded area of Khalis, a mostly Shiite city about 40 miles north of Baghdad in Diyala province, said Hasan Shalal, mayor of the city.
In separate attacks, eight people were killed and 35 injured in a car bombing in a town southwest of the southern city of Basra. A car bombing in the northern Baghdad neighborhood killed two and injured eight, according to the Ministry of Interior.
Much of the support from Shiite lawmakers and militia leaders for a Russian intervention stems from frustration with the U.S.-led air campaign in Iraq and Syria.
U.S. military officials have rejected Iraqi claims that the coalition has made limited progress. They point to progress reclaiming some of the territory since Islamic State took over about a quarter of Iraq in the summer of 2014.
Though Iraqis militia fighters and soldiers have retaken a few cities with the help of U.S. air support, they have also lost important cities such as the Anbar provincial capital of Ramadi in May. An offensive to retake Anbar from Islamic State has stalled months after it was announced.
The frustrations with the U.S. are also rooted in sectarian tensions. Some Iraqi Shiite politicians consider the U.S. reluctance to commit ground troops or aggressively expand its bombing raids as a ploy to empower Iraq’s Sunni minority at the expense of Shiites who now dominate the government.
Hassan Salim, a leading parliamentarian with the Iran-backed militia Asaib Ahl al-Haq, or League of the Righteous, accused those who oppose Russia’s intervention of supporting American interests in dividing Iraq and establishing an independent Sunni state.
“Those who object to the alliance are deluded by America. They aim to achieve their dream of setting up the Sunni region,” he said at a news conference on Monday, flanked by other Shiite leaders.
Iraq’s Sunnis have had closer ties to the U.S. and its allies in the region, particularly the Sunni-led Gulf Arab states.
Many have viewed Russian moves as potentially empowering Iran, though some Sunni politicians greeted news of the Russian intervention against Islamic State with reluctant support.
Official support for Russian intervention has spilled into Iraqi social media. For the past week, Iraqis have traded images and videos—both humorous and sincere—thanking Russian President Vladimir Putin and critiquing the American military.
In one widely circulated Facebook post, Mr. Putin wears his characteristic wry smile and the black turban of an ayatollah, or Shiite cleric.
“Ayatollah Putin, may God keeps Putin’s blessing on us,” reads the accompanying text.
— Thomas Grove in Moscow and Safa Majeed in Baghdad contributed to this article.
Write to Matt Bradley at [email protected]
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So far, one of the best drone footage of the air strikes and ground assault in Syria, some taken from very close to the target or point of action.
Кадры АВИАУДАРОВ России по ИГИЛ в Сирии Footage of Russian AIRSTRIKES ISIS in Syria NEWS 2015
Кадры АВИАУДАРОВ России по ИГИЛ в Сирии Footage of Russian AIRSTRIKES ISIS in Syria NEWS 2015
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They clearly want to taste Kaliber SLCM strikes
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@gadeshi,
I told you that the helicopters equip S-8, to support the advancing troops. Under the cover of Russian helicopter Assad went on the offensive.
http://www.dw.com/ru/сирийская-арми...18765540?maca=rus-rss_rus_UkrNet_All-4190-xml
I told you that the helicopters equip S-8, to support the advancing troops. Under the cover of Russian helicopter Assad went on the offensive.
http://www.dw.com/ru/сирийская-арми...18765540?maca=rus-rss_rus_UkrNet_All-4190-xml
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Man, this news has came from an unreliable source - The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which consists of one man who lives in London. There is nothing to discuss yet.
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Maybe. But smoke without fire. We are waiting.
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Helicopter protected from MANPADS. At the FSA is not so many of them. to has launched a simultaneously from several directions.
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Thanks, so even the Russian's own, state controlled, media isn't claiming they've attacked ISIS?
Not sure who/ what Debka are. But yeah, those reports were quite bizarre. One of the forum's more reliable posters had posted some links from Pravda about how the Chinese are contributing forces to the Russian led intervention.
There's some weird, weird stuff in the Russian media about China since Ukraine and the sanctions happened. Some Chinese people are going to be making a lot of money off some Russians very soon, if they're not already
Yep, they managed to similarly sized, and far less capable and experienced force as those other "World Superowers" Australia, to an already existing facility which they've operated from since forever.
The Chinese, and non moronic Indians, must be jealous of this massive change in the balance of world power... If you, and some of this forum's other winners, got your head out your own booty, you'd see India's already far exceeded Russia importance to the world.
Really? Where did you get that idea from? Sending helicopters against MANPADS is an interesting plan.
Good link. As well as, lacking in credibility in general, pretending they're not antisemites with massive "issues" with Israel and Jewish people is a constant theme of all the post Soviet governments of Russia.
Don't really know much about Deutsche Welle, but I've watched it a bit and they seem pretty dependable. Pretty much a typical representation of a German Neo Marxist world view. If you're questioning how they'd know or the credibility of their sources, then yeah... good question
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DW does spoil it's reputation when it quotes mr. Rami Abdulrahman.
If you wanna know more about this guy, read Reuters' article:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/12/08/uk-britain-syria-idUKTRE7B71XG20111208
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Sure, I certainly wouldn't trust DW too much.
Any non white person, who spouts what ever garbage they want, would be put forward by them as an expert on which ever story they are covering
