Russia Ukraine War 2022

Who will win this war?.


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Kumaoni

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Who tf said I supported Ukraine? Dude if you look at my post History, at least until Bucha occurred, I was actually endorsing the Russian perspective of things.
Bucha civilian killings was of Ukrainian doing, Russians doing such things on the battle field doesn't add up.
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I’ve already stated my view on this. Let me find it real quick.
 

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The Taliban did that to the Afghans in just a month. The Iraqis did to the Kurds in 2017 with barley a fight. The Indians to Pakistanis in 13 days in 1971. Even the Russians annihilated the US trained Georgians, who were trained not just for 8 years, but for decades. The issue here, what it seems to me at least, has more to do with geographical and logistic errors. Russia might have suffered a reverse in Kiev, but the main war for the eastern part is just starting. What Russia’s objective of this war is I fail to understand
No, the Taliban did not do that in a month. They did not have continuous arms supply & ELINT from NATO or a comparable power DURING the war.
Kurds were nowhere comparable to that of Ukrainian military. They did not have continuous arms supply & ELINT from NATO or a comparable power DURING the war.
Pakistan of 1971 did not have continuous arms supply & ELINT from NATO or a comparable power DURING the war.

The Russian objectives for this war, is as plain as day.
 

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Lol what? Such baseless claims come regarding every military insurgency. And if you read my posts from the past, I literally declare the USA the worst hypocrite of this god knows how many times
What baseless claims ? Bucha being a russian strike is a baseless claim. Especially when we have evidence of Ukraine dragging bodies to the site and the bodies not showing any bloating from water logged damage for a week (if it were the Russians).
 

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No, the Taliban did not do that in a month. They did not have continuous arms supply & ELINT from NATO or a comparable power DURING the war.
Kurds were nowhere comparable to that of Ukrainian military. They did not have continuous arms supply & ELINT from NATO or a comparable power DURING the war.
Pakistan of 1971 did not have continuous arms supply & ELINT from NATO or a comparable power DURING the war.

The Russian objectives for this war, is as plain as day.
What exactly are you saying here? Do compare Russia and Ukraine’s airforce. Also, does Russia have air superiority? If Russia rules the skies, then the rest shouldn’t be too hard for them
 

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What baseless claims ? Bucha being a russian strike is a baseless claim. Especially when we have evidence of Ukraine dragging bodies to the site and the bodies not showing any bloating from water logged damage for a week (if it were the Russians).
What evidence?
 

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What exactly are you saying here? Do compare Russia and Ukraine’s airforce. Also, does Russia have air superiority? If Russia rules the skies, then the rest shouldn’t be too hard for them
Controlling the skies does jack shit if you are pussies like USA. USA controls the skies everywhere it's fought since Korean war. And it has lost every single war since then when not fighting a 3rd rate power with zero industrial capacity of its own (they couldn't even make their own bullets - something Afghan cavemen can do) and were supplied by American weapons itself ( leading to deep familiarity of capability).

what i am saying here, is that by all objective measure, Russia is doing quite a good job in conquering Ukraine.
 

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Controlling the skies does jack shit if you are pussies like USA. USA controls the skies everywhere it's fought since Korean war. And it has lost every single war since then when not fighting a 3rd rate power with zero industrial capacity of its own (they couldn't even make their own bullets - something Afghan cavemen can do) and were supplied by American weapons itself ( leading to deep familiarity of capability).

what i am saying here, is that by all objective measure, Russia is doing quite a good job in conquering Ukraine.
They are doing a decent job, their performance hasn’t been to inspiring but then again, I don’t reckon any other military would do better. It’s just on par for what I’d expect in a modern conventional invasion? And btw? What NATO arms are causing Russia problems?
 

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and the Russians want it. What does common sense tell you, about who's closer to the truth - the side that wants 3rd party investigation or the side that doesn't want it ?
Do you think I support the west? If you do, you are in a big shock.
 

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They are doing a decent job, their performance hasn’t been to inspiring but then again, I don’t reckon any other military would do better. It’s just on par for what I’d expect in a modern conventional invasion? And btw? What NATO arms are causing Russia problems?
Javelins, NLAW. And AWACs
 

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perhaps then don't parrot western propganda re: war in ukraine if you wish not to be seen as western stooge.
I’m literally neutral to this.
Javelins, NLAW. And AWACs
Speaking of anti-tank guided missiles. Pakistanis had in Sialkor that as well. India had absolutely none. Off topic; but just something interesting.
 

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I’m literally neutral to this.
You are not neutral if you repeat the propaganda of one side.

Speaking of anti-tank guided missiles. Pakistanis had in Sialkor that as well. India had absolutely none. Off topic; but just something interesting.
Not very relevant to this convo. Anti tank guided amunition of 1960s is like having a 13th century hand cannon and comparing it to 'italians had guns vs ethiopians and the ethiopians didn't' . Technically true, practically irrelevant.
 

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You are not neutral if you repeat the propaganda of one side.



Not very relevant to this convo. Anti tank guided amunition of 1960s is like having a 13th century hand cannon and comparing it to 'italians had guns vs ethiopians and the ethiopians didn't' . Technically true, practically irrelevant.
Then you need to read my previous posts in this thread.

It was in reference to 1965.
 

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Mikhail Kișcik, Misha the Chechen, commander of the Luhansk troops KIA
Сослуживцы и близкие простились с комбатом "Чеченом", погибшим в боях за Кременную
Lugansk Information Center - Colleagues and relatives said goodbye to the battalion commander "Chechen", who died in the battles for Kremennaya


Луганский Информационный Центр – Сослуживцы и близкие простились с комбатом "Чеченом", погибшим в боях за Кременную



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Церемония прощания с командиром батальона территориальной обороны Народной милиции ЛНР Михаилом Кищиком с позывным "Чечен" состоялась на Аллее Славы на столичном кладбище в районе поселка Косиора. Об этом с места события передает корреспондент ЛИЦ.


The farewell ceremony for the commander of the territorial defense battalion of the People's Militia of the LPR Mikhail Kishchik with the call sign "Chechen" was held on the Walk of Fame at the capital's cemetery near the village of Kosiora. This was reported from the scene by a correspondent of PERSONS.


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Russia and China nightmare as UK scientists analyse secrets of Putin's prized fighter jet
BRITISH and American scientists are analysing the secret long-range targeting mechanism of Russia's most advanced fighter jet, sources confirmed last night.


And their findings could make a "huge difference" in how the West conducts air-to-air combat with both Russia and China. Ukrainian troops shot down the Sukhoi Su-35S using short-range missiles two weeks ago. Specialists with the Ukrainian Air Force were able to retrieve vital and hitherto classified elements from its burnt-out remains and informed British intelligence.
The systems were transported to the Government’s Defence, Science and Technology Laboratory (DSTL) at Porton Down, in Wiltshire, where boffins, joined by two experts from the US Air Force, have spent ten days examining them.

The initial assessment was deemed so promising that the systems have now been flown to Nevada, USA, for more forensic examination.

Dubbed “Flanker” by Nato, the fighter jet was conducting a so-called Suppression of Enemy Air Defences (SEAD) operation when it was unexpectedly shot down near Izium, some 75 miles from Kharkiv, in eastern Ukraine on April 3.
The Flanker is Russia’s equivalent to the F-35 fifth generation multirole fighter which is currently used by the RAF and 14 other Nato nations - though it does not possess stealth technology.

And the prospect of Nato powers examining its sophisticated inner workings will cause consternation among air force chiefs in Russia, which operates 47 of them.

It has also sent shockwaves in China which, as Russia’s biggest defence partner, now boasts the world’s second largest fleet having signed a $2bn deal for 24 of the fighters in 2015.

Though the aircraft was heavily-damaged, sources say enough remained of the targeting system for detailed analysis.
This will be made easier by the discovery that the system - which, on paper, boasts the capability of spotting Nato's stealth aircraft 350 miles away - has many similarities to the F-35s, making it more easy to fully explore.
The capture of tech is proving to be a spectacular own-goal for premier Vladimir Putin following the disastrous performance of Russian forces in the seven-week war.
Not only can it leave systems vulnerable to Nato counter-measures, but so too could it jeopardise future arms sales to supplicant countries - a vital revenue stream for cash-starved Russia.
Scientists at the DSTL are also examining remains of a T-90 - Russia’s most advanced battle tank, which fitted with an explosive reactive armour and a unique defensive Shtora-1 aids system- a Buk missile system, used to down Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 in 2014, and a Tor surface to air missile system.
India operates 2,000 T-90s of different variants as well as the Buk, while Iran used a Tor to shoot down Ukrainian flight 752 in January 2020.
But it is the £50m fighter jet which was the cause of most excitement.
Justin Bronk, air power and technology expert at the RUSI think tank, said: “ Any potential opportunity to examine the radar components or electronic warfare pods on the downed SU-35 would be valuable as, even damaged, such components can confirm or undermine existing intelligence assessments about how they work.”

 

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True. Mariupol and Odessa are more important than Kiev. Block Ukraine's access to Black sea and it will never revive its economy. Moldova will be scared shitless. And an example will be set for others.
Since Moldova is landlocked they will bow to Russia and not the west.
 

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Mikhail Kișcik, Misha the Chechen, commander of the Luhansk troops KIA
Сослуживцы и близкие простились с комбатом "Чеченом", погибшим в боях за Кременную
Lugansk Information Center - Colleagues and relatives said goodbye to the battalion commander "Chechen", who died in the battles for Kremennaya


Луганский Информационный Центр – Сослуживцы и близкие простились с комбатом "Чеченом", погибшим в боях за Кременную



4-6 minutes


Церемония прощания с командиром батальона территориальной обороны Народной милиции ЛНР Михаилом Кищиком с позывным "Чечен" состоялась на Аллее Славы на столичном кладбище в районе поселка Косиора. Об этом с места события передает корреспондент ЛИЦ.


The farewell ceremony for the commander of the territorial defense battalion of the People's Militia of the LPR Mikhail Kishchik with the call sign "Chechen" was held on the Walk of Fame at the capital's cemetery near the village of Kosiora. This was reported from the scene by a correspondent of PERSONS.


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Damn, solid dude, always leading from the front. He's making the Chechens proud.
 

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