Russia Ukraine War 2022

Who will win this war?.


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jackprince

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Iran is sanctioned under UNSC not to export weapons and Russia was among them who signed.

Did you know?
AFAIK no such sanction exists at current date.

UN embargo expired in OCtober,2020. US proposed extension of embargo in August,2020, but that was rejected by UNSC.

US and UN aren't same. At least officially.
 

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Super ultra mega Pro Max Power Russia!
Can't believe we're buying weapons from these idiots...

 

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I think we should really look into exporting washing machines to Russia. Why go through all this trouble and ruin my portfolio?
 

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I can not understand the point on this debate. The oldest saying of all times says ``The enemy of my enemy is my fried.". So, either they admit that they are using the drones from Iran or not, it is of minor significance. They will use whatever they have in power, this should not bother us. Frankly, the fact that they still haven't use nuclear weapons means something. They do not wish to start a nuclear war, though the threat is always on the table from both sides, NATO and Russia.

Remember the war is between NATO and Russia, and Ukraine is only the battlefield.

Most of the power stations in Ukraine are down right now. In the next two weeks soldiers are anticipated to invade in Lviv and Kiev from the Belarus borders. This is going to be a game changer. They act slowly, but they use the old American doctrine, to learn from the war. They study NATO tactics and they do not show the full potential of their war machine, to keep the element of surprise, for later. Even if Biden looses the midterms (and he seems to loose), he is going to be a president for at least two years. This means that the war is far from over. Only in case DeSantis will be president after the 2024 election in USA and with many of these fiasco governments in EU to have changed, there would be a smoothing policy in the affairs between West and Russia. But to sit back on the bargain is not going to be an easy task...it may take decades to restore things to where they were, and they may never be the same again...All this assuming that, a general war conflict will not take part in the meanwhile...

Europe is struggling financially and USA too...without building a strong economy, the people can not have prosperous life. And to build one, we need world peace and stable political conditions all over the world. End of story.
 

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Europe is struggling financially and USA too...without building a strong economy, the people can not have prosperous life. And to build one, we need world peace and stable political conditions all over the world. End of story.
Problem is that many times, when Europe preferred the policy of appeasement and "stable political conditions", it didnt work out. In 2014, after Putin annexed Crimea, he kept repeating that that's all he ever wanted and had no further territorial demands. And most people - me included - were like "ok, the majority of population is Russian anyway", let them have it, so nothing was done about it. And look where we are 8 years later...

 

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15ft from disaster: Russian jets 'recklessly' buzzed NATO aircraft, Putin warplane fired a MISSILE near RAF patrol above the Black Sea
  • Two Russian Su-27 fighters 'interacted' with British spy plane over Black Sea
  • One jet went within 15 feet of Nato aircraft, Defence Secretary Ben Wallace said
  • Fighter fired a missile 'in the vicinity' of a British spy plane above Black Sea
  • Sergei Shoigu, Putin's defence minister, blamed 'malfunction' :lol: for the incident
  • Near-miss will do little to calm nerves that Ukraine war could spiral into WW3
 

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Problem is that many times, when Europe preferred the policy of appeasement and "stable political conditions", it didnt work out. In 2014, after Putin annexed Crimea, he kept repeating that that's all he ever wanted and had no further territorial demands. And most people - me included - were like "ok, the majority of population is Russian anyway", let them have it, so nothing was done about it. And look where we are 8 years later...

US after entering the wars to end all wars ended up starting a dozen of conflicts and deadly coups around the world which has resulted in Millions dread across the world.

The world continued to think that the Americans would stop but they never did. This is the last war no wars we have heard it all.

Dont think anyone is fooled by this charade now.
 

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Problem is that many times, when Europe preferred the policy of appeasement and "stable political conditions", it didnt work out. In 2014, after Putin annexed Crimea, he kept repeating that that's all he ever wanted and had no further territorial demands. And most people - me included - were like "ok, the majority of population is Russian anyway", let them have it, so nothing was done about it. And look where we are 8 years later...

What is this? A joke? And what should Europe do? They should have started a bloodshed?

To prefer to live with people is not better than killing them? And why did all this happened in first place? Why did the annexation of Crimea started then, because of what reasons?

And eight years later he started a war out of nowhere because of what? He is the reincarnation of Hitler? Did Europe and USA kept their part of the bargain all those years?

Russians are doing what's best for their nation, against the unholy alliance of the Westerns who are great liars and this happened under Biden and Scholtz admins, but this does not mean something to you?

Europe and USA are the ones to blame and take this from a Western!
 

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What is this? A joke? And what should Europe do? They should have started a bloodshed?
I am sure there is some maneuvering space between "doing nothing" and "starting a bloodshed"

It's not too complicated with Ukraine. Putin had no interest in Donbas, he needed it only as a tool to exert its policies on the whole Ukraine. That's why Russians invaded in August 2014, defeated Ukrainian army and forced UKR to sign Minsk agreements - which would mean federalization of Ukraine.

Of course, Ukrainians never wanted to fulfill them, they preferred just to throw Donbas overboard (like that insect that drops a limb when caught). Which would mean Crimea and Donbas in Putin's hands, but Ukraine going on without Russian influence. When Putin realized it, he decided to start a war - because he wants to control the majority, if not whole of a Ukraine, not just Donbas.
 

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Information has appeared that T-55AM/AMV and BTR-50/60 are being returned from storage in Russia. For whom is unknown. Maybe for African countries, but maybe for yourself. So there is a high chance of seeing them at the front.
 

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Why do you guys encourage yourselves to engage in a conversation with a polish troll that wants to overlook ukrainians carrying out ethnic genocide to people that have a pro-russian stance? We all saw Maiden 2014 and what was going to happen to crimea than started to happen in the Donetsk republic for anyone in Ukraine that was pro-russian. All he can do is bitch and moan when Galicia and Volyhynia get taken next.
 

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