Russia Ukraine War 2022

[Sanglamorre]

(" yeah, we Indians tend to have fathers.

Was the foreigner in question a Nike stealer?

 

[bongoboy]

Concepts of race or a proto-racial idea is innately present across all civilizations across all times. Basically it is a concept of in-group, out-group and scaling unknown groups within the existing scale. We Bharatvaasis have a long history of knowing who the mlechchha is in terms of the Eurasian landmass beyond the Himalayas in a northwesterly direction beyond the Khyber pass. Sonia Gandhi was refused entry to Pashupatinath or Jagannath because she is of mlechchha kula while a Pakistani Punjabi or even Pashtun that has been Muslim for more than ten generations can easily enter these sites provided no Islamic give aways. So we have basically known of the mlechha yavana for as old as Bharatiya civilization exists. I dare say that the very concept of Bharatvarsha as a separated entity from barbaric Eurasia in itself is a proto racial one, of course in our own terms wherein the Bharatiyas are the highest form of mankind (it is a poonya of past lives to even be born in Bharat and that includes our own pissfuls if you think of it).


Now I am not sure whether our concept of mlechha-bodh ever existed in the southeasterly direction. I would say the answer is no and that is why we have a historical close integration with entire Southeast Asia from Burma to Philippines. As a Bengali I have never even looked at northeasterners as an out group. If their women are wearing shakha pola which even the Hindus among Rohingya do, that’s my people. So I would say that if one has a sense of “not my race” when it comes to northeastern Indians or southeast Asians, that is learned behavior from Western civilization wherein they have the luxury to draw a line through the middle of what is racial consciousness of us Bharatiyas. But if we are applying it towards proper European whites and west Asians and central Asians, that is definitely firmly entrenched in our own itihaas.

One other thing I will say, having studied the growth of western civilization over the last 500 years, is that to be brutally honest we simply have a stunted idea of ourselves in the world of humanity compared to what Western civilization has for itself. Simply due to their advances in naval technology, these people began interacting with peoples with whom we as Bharatiyas never had ANY contact with or at the most secondary or tertiary contact. We never had primary contact with the natives of north or south Americas. We never knew the aborígenes of Australia. I don’t even know what’s the extent of our knowledge of black Africans. Another thing to recognize is, that our concepts of mlechha-bodh is from outsiders coming to us, whether as individual merchants or invaders etc. Western civilization has had the ability to go and study others in their own homes. So there is going to be a marked difference in these things.
There is a hundred year old book by a horny Frenchman who had at his disposal the entire French colonial empire to go study how people have sex across different parts of the world. If you read the guys account you can tell that he has access to the damn people’s bedroom. He has commentary about how blacks and Arabs have huge dongs, Arabs are highly interested in male sodomy, Hindus erect are same as Euros but flaccid are smaller, southeastern Asian are like little boys all their lives etc. Thing you will realize is that everything is framed in Eurocentric perspective which is the power accorded to the civilization that is able to connect the world at this scale.

So I say we also don’t really know if we may or may not have developed racial concepts to the degree of West because we never had the luxury to do so.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Concepts of race or a proto-racial idea is innately present across all civilizations across all times. Basically it is a concept of in-group, out-group and scaling unknown groups within the existing scale. We Bharatvaasis have a long history of knowing who the mlechchha is in terms of the Eurasian landmass beyond the Himalayas in a northwesterly direction beyond the Khyber pass. Sonia Gandhi was refused entry to Pashupatinath or Jagannath because she is of mlechchha kula while a Pakistani Punjabi or even Pashtun that has been Muslim for more than ten generations can easily enter these sites provided no Islamic give aways. So we have basically known of the mlechha yavana for as old as Bharatiya civilization exists. I dare say that the very concept of Bharatvarsha as a separated entity from barbaric Eurasia in itself is a proto racial one, of course in our own terms wherein the Bharatiyas are the highest form of mankind (it is a poonya of past lives to even be born in Bharat and that includes our own pissfuls if you think of it).


Now I am not sure whether our concept of mlechha-bodh ever existed in the southeasterly direction. I would say the answer is no and that is why we have a historical close integration with entire Southeast Asia from Burma to Philippines. As a Bengali I have never even looked at northeasterners as an out group. If their women are wearing shakha pola which even the Hindus among Rohingya do, that’s my people. So I would say that if one has a sense of “not my race” when it comes to northeastern Indians or southeast Asians, that is learned behavior from Western civilization wherein they have the luxury to draw a line through the middle of what is racial consciousness of us Bharatiyas. But if we are applying it towards proper European whites and west Asians and central Asians, that is definitely firmly entrenched in our own itihaas.

One other thing I will say, having studied the growth of western civilization over the last 500 years, is that to be brutally honest we simply have a stunted idea of ourselves in the world of humanity compared to what Western civilization has for itself. Simply due to their advances in naval technology, these people began interacting with peoples with whom we as Bharatiyas never had ANY contact with or at the most secondary or tertiary contact. We never had primary contact with the natives of north or south Americas. We never knew the aborígenes of Australia. I don’t even know what’s the extent of our knowledge of black Africans. Another thing to recognize is, that our concepts of mlechha-bodh is from outsiders coming to us, whether as individual merchants or invaders etc. Western civilization has had the ability to go and study others in their own homes. So there is going to be a marked difference in these things.
There is a hundred year old book by a horny Frenchman who had at his disposal the entire French colonial empire to go study how people have sex across different parts of the world. If you read the guys account you can tell that he has access to the damn people’s bedroom. He has commentary about how blacks and Arabs have huge dongs, Arabs are highly interested in male sodomy, Hindus erect are same as Euros but flaccid are smaller, southeastern Asian are like little boys all their lives etc. Thing you will realize is that everything is framed in Eurocentric perspective which is the power accorded to the civilization that is able to connect the world at this scale.

So I say we also don’t really know if we may or may not have developed racial concepts to the degree of West because we never had the luxury to do so.

The bolded part is absolutely false. You are confusing race with ethnicity. That is NOT what race is. Race is how Kumaoni used it - white race, black race, brown race, native american race, yellow race etc. That concept only ever finds mention in the bible, period ( the sons of Noah). That concept's development is EXCLUSIVELY western and all original literature of 'white race/inferior race/superior race' is found in Europe/Americas literature.
And the race concept of the west is not developed during the era of colonialism, its pre-colonial period, as evidenced by the literature of the 1300s and 1400s.

Nowhere in Indian or Chinese or ANY OTHER asian literature do we see 'race'as an issue and while Europeans DID connect the world completely, we, from the gupta period onwards and the Chinese from the Ming period onwards have had direct access and observation of 75% of species homo sapiens' population.

The race concept being developed by westeners makes sense- its not because of high falutian civilisational concept, it is due to BASIC BIOLOGICAL IMPERATIVE to spread genes - we all have it. Well white phenotypes are the weakest in species homo sapiens - blonde + brunette == 75% chance of brunette kids. Blue eyes + brown eyes == 75% chance of brown eyes, white skin + dark skin == 75% chance of dark skin, etc.

This is basic ideology, developed subconsciously by the group with the weakest phenotype markers, to keep their phenotypes alive. This is exactly why its the whites and whites alone, who got ( and some still get) completely bent outta shape with interracial marriages - a phenomena seen outside the whites ONLY amongst the Japanese - who have been trying to white-ify themselves since the Meiji restoration period and amongst some colonised people with colonial hangups.

That the race concepts as to mleccha is not applicable to 'proper europeans or turks' in our history, is something we have first hand direct evidence of : the Indo-Greek kings are never referred to as Mlecchchas in their contemporary writings, neither are the Kushanas - they are ALL referred to within the in-group because non-abrahamic Asian ideologies and philosophies are inclusive and we all operate on the basis of 'adopt our values == you are one of us'. Which is why the Buddhist Indo-Greeks and Buddhist-Hindu Kushans are not seen as mlechcha, despite being very distinctly european/turkic looking.

Our civilisation, along with those of Persia, Myanmar, Thailand, Indonesia and China has always been multi-ethnic, multi-cultural empires and we have never ever had race ideology amongst our midst, till the colonisation from the europeans.

 

[R A Varun]

Bro you got destroyed by two minutes too midnight and still haven’t even responded to him.

“civilized by myancestors” please go figure you literal chhadi. How to fight Lashkar e Taiba 101

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let me give you the discipline in the Hindu volunteers, There is a video clip, a muslim leader explaining people what bajarang dal is, in that he clearly states the discipline of the Hindu cadre, while demolishing the Babri Masjid, The ten lakh karyakartas in ayodhya and surrounding didnot harm a simgle muslim, they came they saw, and they demolished, and went back, the voilence occured after the demolition was result of the incited voilence of the radical muslim leaders of the time.

just imagine, ten lakh volunteers, from across the nation, at one point, single objective, and when it is completed, orderly retreat, have you seen, any muslim mob capable of doing this, even the taliban had the civilian casualties in kabul even the second time.

american soldeirs too, engaged in nasty business, when in withdraw period.

the chaddi teaches you self defense first and give you the confidence to defend your dharama, that is all it gives, once you have obtained it, it is up to you to use that confidence in nation rebuilding and upholding dharma and preserving it for future generations.

if your are aware off, it is the organisation that is notheaded by knuckle head clergies, but well educated, experienced, and self made men within the organisation.

politics do exist like in all other organisations, which is a common human nature ,but when it comes to the top level leadership, from the state onwards, it is complete, orderly performance, calcualtions and future objectives

it has provided this nation one president, two prime minitsters, tens of chief ministers, hundreds of parlimentarians, and thousands of legislatures,

it has aided indian army in crisis period, even it's hardcore enemy called up on him for nations service at india's worst conditions,

had the honor of marching in rajpath republic day celebrations for its service to the country along with the army,

liberated certain parts of the country from foreign occupation on its own

helped kashmir integaration with indian union,

battled the pakistanis and bought as many people as it can during partition safely to home,
has provincial govts, in 18 of the 30 indian states,

has the largest free medical camps every year,
has the largest social service campaigns every year,
has the largest youth associated with social service through its sister organisations,
has the largest community education system in the world.

its not just chaddi,

it's THE CHADDI

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

if you see them as worse/better because of their race, then you are regurgitating your western master's ideology and spitting in the face of your ancestor's ideologies who have never once mentioned race in any single line of any text in existance till your westoid masters came to rule india.

we reject wannabe westoids like yourself who absorbs and regurgitates western ideology.

Some people,some cultures are better than others in achieving results and fostering an environment of certain values depending upon what those chosen values are.

Equality is a myth that is only recently propped up due to the inferiority complex of below average people and due to virtue signalling potential of some elites.

If a culture cannot achieve some results faster or in a more effective way than another culture,it is by definition inferior objectively regardless of what others think about it.

Likewise certain ethnicities and the cultures and traditions associated with as a community maybe be inferior or superior based on performance.you have to deal with this.people may have judged wrongly before and attributed wrongly the superior or mediocre as the inferior or vice versa but that does not take away from the fact that some people and practices are just better.

I have no insult against people claiming inferiority or superiority,I just want their claim to be substantiated with clear verified proof and not be obvious wrong.

Of course,central to this is the recognition that there are many different groups,that should also be confronted and it's reality must be inculcated by some deniers.

 

[Love Charger]

Bro you got destroyed by two minutes too midnight and still haven’t even responded to him.

“civilized by myancestors” please go figure you literal chhadi. How to fight Lashkar e Taiba 101

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Do you donate to temples?
Or do you actively fight prejudice and racism against hindus in usa ?

 

[Kumaoni]

Family does and I plan to when I graduate

Do you donate to temples?

 

[ww2historian]

Here's an article with a excellent summary of events.

A quick update from Andrei, with a few additional notes
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Dear friends,
It has now been a month since my last update, so I have decided to post this note to share a few thoughts with you.
First, the boring stuff: my health is definitely doing better and, while I very much regret having had to take that time off, I now am sure that it was the right decision, both for me and the blog. I hope to come back to full-time blogging by the end of July. Again, I apologize to you all for my absence, and I ask for your understanding.
Second, and as I had predicted, the situation in the world and in the Ukraine has changed a great deal over the past couple of months. I will just mention a few bullet-points of what I see as the highlights:

• The “the glorious Ukrainians are winning” narrative has now quasi-officially faceplanted (heck, even the NYT changed its tune) and nobody sane is spewing this nonsense anymore. The reality is that the Ukrainians are, on average, losing about one battalion per day, and this is why they are now sending barely trained civilians to the East: most of the (often very well-trained and courageous) Ukrainian combat units are even dead, prisoners, MIA or in “cauldrons” (actual or by firepower) with no chance to escape.
• It is now also undeniable that what began as a special military operation (SMO) has now turned into a open and full-scale war between the consolidated West (aka the Anglo-Zionist Empire) and Russia: the Empire has now “hit” Russia with everything it had short of a direct military attack. The (originally 200’000+ strong) Ukrainian military, arguably the strongest NATO military force (which is otherwise mostly composed of small and thoroughly woked-out “parade militaries”!), especially with the full support of the West (intelligence, weapons, money, political, etc. etc. etc.) is being “demilitarized” and “denazified” by a vastly superior Russian military force (but not one bigger in size: Russia has used only a fraction of her full military power). The outcome here is not in doubt.
• This reality has now been fully accepted by the Russian society which now stands behind the Kremlin (at 80%+) which has made no secret that it is now locked into an existential war against the West. This has been the case since at least 2013, but now the original ratios (roughly 80% informational, 15% economic and 5% military) have shifted to what I would call “total war by proxy“.
• The hardcore crazies in the West (US Neocons, UK, Poland and the 3B) are trying hard to trigger a fullscale war between NATO and Russia and, so far, the spineless Eurolemmings have let them set the agenda, however suicidal it might be for the EU and NATO. Frankly, my disgust with western Europe is total – I never had any illusions about the “new” Europeans – and all I can say is that they all richly deserve each other and what is coming their way. All I can say is this: continue to act like Nazis and you shall be denazified. It is really that simple.
• The leaders of the Empire know that they lost yet again, and they are seeking refuge in their usual coping mechanisms: ideological self-gratification and deep, deep denial. While the EU is committing a straightforward economic, political and social suicide, the Biden Administration has gone “full woke”, as did corporate “America”(meaning the USA, of course, not the American continent): the so-called “minorities” are now shoved down the collective throats of the US people now, no matter how small, or freaky, the said “minorities” are. This is especially striking in the kind of advertisements the US corporations are now unanimously producing. I think, for example, of the morbidly obese black women in diapers (!!!) taking “ballerina poses” YouTube is now regularly showing. Watching these ads, one would think that blacks in the USA occupy all positions of authority and prestige, that most US women are lesbians, and millions of US kids (and even infants!) urgently need a sex change (watch the excellent “What is a Woman?” documentary to see how insane this has all become). When I see this collective woke insanity, I cannot help but wonder whether corporate “America” is not deliberately trying to really piss off the vast majority of US Americans and trigger some kind of major and violent internal crisis.
• The Russians, in the meantime, are passing new laws against the propaganda of homosexuality: while in the past, such propaganda was only banned if directed at children, now this expanded to the entire population of Russia. Just to clarify: Russia is not banning homosexuals and their sexual practices, however pathological, remain fully legal. But what Russia IS doing is refusing to consider homosexuality as a “normal and natural variation in human sexuality” (Wikipedia). In other words, the Russians still consider homosexuality as a psychological disorder which might deserve compassion, but not affirmation (nevermind encouragement). Since “inclusiveness” and “positivity” are now key western “values” this is also a message from Russia: keep your woke-freaks and their ideology to yourselves, we want none of it!
• In the meantime the Euroukrainians are now planning to ban and destroy over 100’000’000 copies of Russian language books. Hitler would be proud. The Eurolemmings have nothing to say. You know, “#cancelRussia” thingie (meaning both Russians themselves and the Russian culture in all its forms) and all that “it’s okay when we do it” or “our SOBs” stuff.
• The Western economic Blitzkrieg against Russia has totally failed and the joke in Russia is that while McCain famously once said that “Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country” with contempt, “Biden” is now saying the same thing, but with deep envy

Translation: for our Fatherland
I could go on and on, but the bottom line is this: the West has declared total war on Russia (and, de facto, to all of Zone B) and Russia has accepted this. For a decade and more the West has tried hard to wake up and provoke the proverbial Russian bear and these efforts have finally been successful: the bear is now out, and he is very, very angry. To clarify, by this I am not referring to former Atlantic Integrationists like Medvedev now “coming out” as a Eurasian Sovereignist hardliner (he is clearly setting himself up for a future Presidential election and says all the “right things”), but about the Russian people which are now in what I call a full “WWII” mode (“Rise up immense country” and all that). To the right is the kind of images now circulating on the Russian Internet and which expresses the awareness that Europe was never truly denazifed, at least not in the US occupied countries.
Russia is now determined to finish this ugly job, once and forever. You want to “cancel Russia”? In your dreams only, but Russia can, and will, “cancel Nazism” once and or all. 1000 years of that crap is enough!
From the first Crusades to the invasion of the USSR by the united Europe under Hitler’s command, the West has always has some kind of ideology to justify its wars of imperialist aggression. The interesting thing is that now this is over and rather than justify is acts of aggression in the name of some putatively universal religion or ideology, the western elites (and, alas, much of its population) have now finally shown their true face which is:

• Virulent anti-Russian racism in its purest form (again, Hitler would be proud)
• Pure and overt Satanism under the label of “Woke” ideology (the last western ideology it appears) with its focus on the destruction of the family and, especially, children (Satanists know that they cannot do anything against the Creator of all, hence they try to take out their hatred and revenge against His creatures, especially children)
• Overt and even “in your face” hatred to any and all who oppose that agenda (as the French revolutionary Louis Antoine de Saint-Just famously declared “No freedom for the enemies of freedom“, right?!)

The truth is that the real West, the one born from the Middle-Ages (and *not* from the Roman or Greek civilizations!) has always been ruled by cynical, evil, thugs. In the past, these thugs always concealed their real worldview and agenda under all sorts of pious pretexts, now its only “ideology” left is pure hatred and wokism (same thing, really).
I submit that it is impossible to predict what will happen in the coming months and years – there are simply too many variables which can dramatically affect our future. What began as a special military operation (as opposed to a combined arms operation) has now morphed into what one could call WWIII or even WWIV (depending on your definitions). This war will last for several years unless, of course, the Neocons and their associated crazies in the EU get their way and trigger a nuclear conflict: in the latter case it will be short and very final.
Right now the focus is on the Donbass and the southern Ukraine, but we have to understand two things about this:

• The Ukronazis and their NATO bosses have already long lost that war, and all the West and its Nazi puppets in Kiev are doing is trying to prolong this unwinnable war for as long as possible to get a maximum number of Ukrainians killed or maimed and to destroy as much of the Ukraine as possible and make Russia “pay the highest price” for her (quite inevitable) victory on the battlefield. What a paradox! The Russian “aggressors” are trying as hard as they can to save as many Ukrainians as possible (even at the cost of their own lives!) along with whatever is left of the Ukrainian infrastructure after 30 years of “independence”, while the western “defenders” and even “allies” of the Ukraine want to turn it into a desolate moonscape covered with corpses.
• This is not a war about the Ukraine, at least not anymore, this is now a war for the future of the European continent and even the future international order. As I have said many times already, the Russians fully intend to denazify at least all of the European continent, preferably by economic and political means but, if needed, by military means too. Why? Because the West has left Russia no other choice. For Russia and, I would argue, all of Zone B the choice is both stark and simple: true and full sovereignty (economic, of course, but also cultural, spiritual and civilizational) or subjugation.

In other words, this is not a war Russia can afford to lose and the Russian people know it.
Last time around, Russia lost about 27 million people while China lost about 35 millions. That a total of 62 million people, about two thirds of which were civilians. Keep these figures in mind when you look at the quick and quite radical modernization of the Russian and Chinese armed forces (btw – the Chinese people also “get it” and they fully support Russia, as does the Chinese leadership, even if they try to keep a low profile for the time being and let Russia carry the burden of being on the frontline of this war: simply put, the Chinese are buying time which, frankly, they still need to achieve parity, or better, against the US and its protectorates in Asia such as Taiwan, Japan, ROK or Australia. The Russians also understand that as they themselves were in a similar position between 2000 and 2018. But they know that the Chinese Dragon will have to fully “wake up” sooner rather than later.
Yeah, I know, most folks in the West don’t know that, or don’t care, but the point is now what the folks in the West do not know, but rather it is what the people of Russia and China know and understand quite well. Only an utter fool would doubt or disregard the kind of determination which sits deep inside the souls of the Russian and Chinese people to never allow the West to subjugate them again. Ever.

[Sidebar: yes, I know, the Japanese Empire which attacked China was not part of the West (yet), but that is an extremely superficial argument which fails to understand that it was precisely western imperialism which created the conditions, in both China and Japan, which resulted in the Japanese imperialist attacks against the entire Asian-Pacific region!]

The above does not even begin to cover all the amazing developments which have taken place in the last few months. Not only have there been truly huge changes INSIDE Russia (and they are only accelerating), but also in Latin America, Africa and the Middle-East. And I will revisit all these topics in about a month or so, when I will come back to full-time blogging. Besides, in a month or so many of the things I mentioned above will become even more obvious for all to see so rather than trying to establish “fact X” we will be able to actually discuss and analyze it, its reality having been quite established.

[Sidebar: please remember who told you the truth and who lied to you over the past months. There were many, many such liars, ranging from the official propaganda machine (aka the “free press”) to the “Putin has lost it all” emo-Marxists and assorted 6th columnists who, whether they understood it or not, served the purpose of the Empire’s PSYOPs. Also please remember that Andrei Martynov, Bernard and Gonzalo Lira not only spoke truthfully, but they were right and their detractors totally wrong. We all owe them an immense debt of gratitude!]

Frankly, before my forced break, I was getting really frustrated trying to prove to misinformed or even fully brainwashed commentators that the official narrative (produced by the biggest strategic PSYOP in history) was a load of bull, based on lies and/or on a total “misunderstanding” (and I am being kind here!) of the real world outside the “mental Zone A”. Now most of that narrative has collapsed.
I am also confident that a month from today, things will be even more obvious than they are today.
So, my friends and readers, I leave you in the (very competent) hands of Amarynth, Herb and the rest of the Saker team and I very much look forward to my full return, God willing, in a month or so.
Kind regards to all, and many thanks for your support!
Andrei
PS: yesterday I was re-watching the superb movie by Costa Gavras “Z” which, at the end, lists all the works of art, literature, music, etc. which the (US CIA backed) Greek “colonels” banned and I thought to myself: “what leftist director would make such a movie today about how the entire West is now doing the same with all things Russian?“. None, of course. I also noticed the sweet irony of Costa Gavras’ movie being called “Z” (which in Greek stands for “Ζει” or “he lives”) and I wondered if the copyright owners of the movie will now have to rename it since the letter “Z” is now banned amongst doubleplusgoodthinking russophobes. Finally, there are some in the West who want to create two categories: “good Russians”, who are expected to publicly denounce their country and President, and “bad Russians” who refuse to do so. Hitler wanted Jews to wear a star of David, so could we see a day when “bad Russians” in Zone A will be told to wear a “Z”. Right now, no T-shirt or mugs printing companies in Zone A will accept to print a “Z” on their items (I know, I tried and failed!), but considering the collective rage and insanity of the western ruling elites, maybe the letter “Z” will become obligatory for “bad Russians” in Zone A? Just kidding, of course, but rewatching the movie “Z” felt quite eerie anyway.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Some people,some cultures are better than others in achieving results and fostering an environment of certain values depending upon what those chosen values are.

Yes. And the reason for those, are values, not genetics.

Equality is a myth that is only recently propped up due to the inferiority complex of below average people and due to virtue signalling potential of some elites.

Equality is a myth beyond the concept that if you take a large number of babies from ANYWHERE on the planet and raise them to follow a certain lifestyle/education ( minus sexual orientation ofcourse), you will have more or less the same results, regardless of where you picked the babies from.

 

[ThE BrOkEn HeArT]

Finally Mr. Biden have found his invisible man with whom he always shook hands.

 

[RocketMan]

He was referring to the guy who faked his western name.

 

[Love Charger]

He was referring to the guy who faked his western name.

Direct me to some more ryssian telegram groups , what they are thinking about india in those groups
Please

 

[Kumaoni]

Direct me to some more ryssian telegram groups , what they are thinking about india in those groups
Please

Telegram: Contact @srochnoch

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[bongoboy]

The bolded part is absolutely false. You are confusing race with ethnicity. That is NOT what race is. Race is how Kumaoni used it - white race, black race, brown race, native american race, yellow race etc. That concept only ever finds mention in the bible, period ( the sons of Noah). That concept's development is EXCLUSIVELY western and all original literature of 'white race/inferior race/superior race' is found in Europe/Americas literature.
And the race concept of the west is not developed during the era of colonialism, its pre-colonial period, as evidenced by the literature of the 1300s and 1400s.

Nowhere in Indian or Chinese or ANY OTHER asian literature do we see 'race'as an issue and while Europeans DID connect the world completely, we, from the gupta period onwards and the Chinese from the Ming period onwards have had direct access and observation of 75% of species homo sapiens' population.

The race concept being developed by westeners makes sense- its not because of high falutian civilisational concept, it is due to BASIC BIOLOGICAL IMPERATIVE to spread genes - we all have it. Well white phenotypes are the weakest in species homo sapiens - blonde + brunette == 75% chance of brunette kids. Blue eyes + brown eyes == 75% chance of brown eyes, white skin + dark skin == 75% chance of dark skin, etc.

This is basic ideology, developed subconsciously by the group with the weakest phenotype markers, to keep their phenotypes alive. This is exactly why its the whites and whites alone, who got ( and some still get) completely bent outta shape with interracial marriages - a phenomena seen outside the whites ONLY amongst the Japanese - who have been trying to white-ify themselves since the Meiji restoration period and amongst some colonised people with colonial hangups.

That the race concepts as to mleccha is not applicable to 'proper europeans or turks' in our history, is something we have first hand direct evidence of : the Indo-Greek kings are never referred to as Mlecchchas in their contemporary writings, neither are the Kushanas - they are ALL referred to within the in-group because non-abrahamic Asian ideologies and philosophies are inclusive and we all operate on the basis of 'adopt our values == you are one of us'. Which is why the Buddhist Indo-Greeks and Buddhist-Hindu Kushans are not seen as mlechcha, despite being very distinctly european/turkic looking.

Our civilisation, along with those of Persia, Myanmar, Thailand, Indonesia and China has always been multi-ethnic, multi-cultural empires and we have never ever had race ideology amongst our midst, till the colonisation from the europeans.

Dadabhai the desire to spread genes is definitely the highest impulse, the phenotype maintenance etc is posturing and not a real driver. I can tell you these whites had no qualms driving their member deep inside millions of native and African and aboriginal and East Asian women over last centuries…it was whether the mixed progeny was allowed what status in the next generation’s society was how they maintained power structure of their own pure bloods.

Also I think the stuff about xyz genes being recessive (and that mattering to someone going balls deep in your women as power projection) is overplayed. White skin of West Eurasian variety is more native to Anatolia/Irán/Iraq than say to England or Norway or France. From the time of first homo sapien settlement in Europe up till only as recent as 10 thousand years ago the indigenous people of Europe had dark brown complexions while having the mutations for blue eyes and yellow hair. Blondism is a mutation that has nothing to do with melanin content or lack of it as evidenced by blond hair in isolated tribes in southeast Asian islands.

You must have seen the reconstruction of Paleolithic cheddar man of England from 8000bc.

https://th-thumbnailer.cdn-si-edu.com/XMXfEXasbbCVpK5sCTdqBjzJnps=/fit-in/1600x0/https://tf-cmsv2-smithsonianmag-media.s3.amazonaws.com/filer/2c/6e/2c6ee675-eefb-4b2e-af94-f287d3a5aad6/cheddar_man_for_web.jpg

Basically the fair skinned invaders from west Asia over a period from 6000bc-3000bc demographically outdid the native population of Europe and the only remnant feature of old population is the colored eyes and hair. Sounds to me like so called recessive genes still won. Heck one can even see that in most white Americans of old colonial stock and among where Hispanics, they definitely have Native American genes but it only manifests in different facial features from white euros like in cheekbones etc not in skin color.

Anyway I am diverting from talk of regarding racial or a proto racial consciousness among the Bharatiya civilization in itself, and one which centers the Bharatiya himself (so not in terms of white/black/yellow/brown which is a racial construct that is built by western civilization to center themselves). Indo Greeks and Kushanas and Sakas etc were 100% seen as mlechha usurpers and only absorbed extremely gradually over centuries as they themselves would lose power to the next invader group out of Central Asia. Being in a continuous lineage of millennia plus, we really should not be falling into the trap of defining ourselves simply as the “non Abrahamics”. Those outsider pre Islamic groups were not accepted until they accepted Vaidik Sanatan Dharma. Heck these Mughals themselves were writing to praise to their turco mongol pre Islamic Gods including in Baburnamah. We still saw them as yavanas.

Overall though I am on your side regarding interpreting ideas of race or how it is applicable to revival of Bharatiya civilization. The concept as it stands today is Euro-driven and as such drives a wedge through the central axis of the greater Bharatiya world.

It has real world implications as in the other-ing of vast portions of our own people, so until we are in a position of power to apply it in a way it centralizes us and makes us the top dog (which I posit the old concept of mlechha etc did), we should be careful of it. I also believe partition of India and removal of eastern Bengal is another reason for the larger Indian lack of consciousness of continuity to northeast India and Southeast Asia due to chickens neck.

 

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Dadabhai the desire to spread genes is definitely the highest impulse, the phenotype maintenance etc is posturing and not a real driver. I can tell you these whites had no qualms driving their member deep inside millions of native and African and aboriginal and East Asian women over last centuries…it was whether the mixed progeny was allowed what status in the next generation’s society was how they maintained power structure of their own pure bloods.

Also I think the stuff about xyz genes being recessive (and that mattering to someone going balls deep in your women as power projection) is overplayed. White skin of West Eurasian variety is more native to Anatolia/Irán/Iraq than say to England or Norway or France. From the time of first homo sapien settlement in Europe up till only as recent as 10 thousand years ago the indigenous people of Europe had dark brown complexions while having the mutations for blue eyes and yellow hair. Blondism is a mutation that has nothing to do with melanin content or lack of it as evidenced by blond hair in isolated tribes in southeast Asian islands.
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You must have seen the reconstruction of Paleolithic cheddar man of England from 8000bc.

https://th-thumbnailer.cdn-si-edu.com/XMXfEXasbbCVpK5sCTdqBjzJnps=/fit-in/1600x0/https://tf-cmsv2-smithsonianmag-media.s3.amazonaws.com/filer/2c/6e/2c6ee675-eefb-4b2e-af94-f287d3a5aad6/cheddar_man_for_web.jpg

Basically the fair skinned invaders from west Asia over a period from 6000bc-3000bc demographically outdid the native population of Europe and the only remnant feature of old population is the colored eyes and hair. Sounds to me like so called recessive genes still won. Heck one can even see that in most white Americans of old colonial stock and among where Hispanics, they definitely have Native American genes but it only manifests in different facial features from white euros like in cheekbones etc not in skin color.

Anyway I am diverting from talk of regarding racial or a proto racial consciousness among the Bharatiya civilization in itself, and one which centers the Bharatiya himself (so not in terms of white/black/yellow/brown which is a racial construct that is built by western civilization to center themselves). Indo Greeks and Kushanas and Sakas etc were 100% seen as mlechha usurpers and only absorbed extremely gradually over centuries as they themselves would lose power to the next invader group out of Central Asia. Being in a continuous lineage of millennia plus, we really should not be falling into the trap of defining ourselves simply as the “non Abrahamics”. Those outsider pre Islamic groups were not accepted until they accepted Vaidik Sanatan Dharma. Heck these Mughals themselves were writing to praise to their turco mongol pre Islamic Gods including in Baburnamah. We still saw them as yavanas.

Overall though I am on your side regarding interpreting ideas of race or how it is applicable to revival of Bharatiya civilization. The concept as it stands today is Euro-driven and as such drives a wedge through the central axis of the greater Bharatiya world.
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It has real world implications as in the other-ing of vast portions of our own people, so until we are in a position of power to apply it in a way it centralizes us and makes us the top dog (which I posit the old concept of mlechha etc did), we should be careful of it. I also believe partition of India and removal of eastern Bengal is another reason for the larger Indian lack of consciousness of continuity to northeast India and Southeast Asia due to chickens neck.

Dude this blonde hair in kids is not due to them having European genes. It is due to poor diet in childhood among lower income group. As they get more food their hair turns black.
Just check all labors on construction sites, most of their kids will be having golden brownish to blondish hair when they are very young. It will turn black pretty soon as they turn over 10-11 yr old.

 

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Dadabhai the desire to spread genes is definitely the highest impulse, the phenotype maintenance etc is posturing and not a real driver. I can tell you these whites had no qualms driving their member deep inside millions of native and African and aboriginal and East Asian women over last centuries…it was whether the mixed progeny was allowed what status in the next generation’s society was how they maintained power structure of their own pure bloods.

Also I think the stuff about xyz genes being recessive (and that mattering to someone going balls deep in your women as power projection) is overplayed. White skin of West Eurasian variety is more native to Anatolia/Irán/Iraq than say to England or Norway or France. From the time of first homo sapien settlement in Europe up till only as recent as 10 thousand years ago the indigenous people of Europe had dark brown complexions while having the mutations for blue eyes and yellow hair. Blondism is a mutation that has nothing to do with melanin content or lack of it as evidenced by blond hair in isolated tribes in southeast Asian islands.
View attachment 161656
You must have seen the reconstruction of Paleolithic cheddar man of England from 8000bc.

https://th-thumbnailer.cdn-si-edu.com/XMXfEXasbbCVpK5sCTdqBjzJnps=/fit-in/1600x0/https://tf-cmsv2-smithsonianmag-media.s3.amazonaws.com/filer/2c/6e/2c6ee675-eefb-4b2e-af94-f287d3a5aad6/cheddar_man_for_web.jpg

Basically the fair skinned invaders from west Asia over a period from 6000bc-3000bc demographically outdid the native population of Europe and the only remnant feature of old population is the colored eyes and hair. Sounds to me like so called recessive genes still won. Heck one can even see that in most white Americans of old colonial stock and among where Hispanics, they definitely have Native American genes but it only manifests in different facial features from white euros like in cheekbones etc not in skin color.

Yes, well if you kill off most people who are different genes than you, you will still propagate your recessive traits. That and endogamy are the answers.
As i said, it is no coincidence that the people with the recessive genes came up with a gene based in-group and out-group and that is what racism is.

Anyway I am diverting from talk of regarding racial or a proto racial consciousness among the Bharatiya civilization in itself, and one which centers the Bharatiya himself (so not in terms of white/black/yellow/brown which is a racial construct that is built by western civilization to center themselves). Indo Greeks and Kushanas and Sakas etc were 100% seen as mlechha usurpers and only absorbed extremely gradually over centuries as they themselves would lose power to the next invader group out of Central Asia. Being in a continuous lineage of millennia plus, we really should not be falling into the trap of defining ourselves simply as the “non Abrahamics”. Those outsider pre Islamic groups were not accepted until they accepted Vaidik Sanatan Dharma. Heck these Mughals themselves were writing to praise to their turco mongol pre Islamic Gods including in Baburnamah. We still saw them as yavanas.

Indo-greeks like Milinda, heliodorus were accepted as in-group by our very own buddhist sramanas. The Rajavula insciption proves that the shaka mahakshatrapa Rajavula was inauguated by brahmins. The most famous of the shakas who were accepted as in-group were the western kshatrapas, such as Nahapana, Rudradaman, etc. were ALL inaugurated by brahmins in their own court- showing in group acceptance.

Same exact thing happened with the Kushans, the moment they gave up their Tocharian proto-tengriism and adopted Buddhism and then HInduism ( from Vasudeva Kushan onwards).

Our in-group vs out-group, like the Chinese, burmese, thai, vietnamese, Persians- basically almost ALL asians- have revolved exclusively on values. Ethos. Not race, genes and phenotypes. That is a distinct addition OF the europeans.

It has real world implications as in the other-ing of vast portions of our own people, so until we are in a position of power to apply it in a way it centralizes us and makes us the top dog (which I posit the old concept of mlechha etc did), we should be careful of it. I also believe partition of India and removal of eastern Bengal is another reason for the larger Indian lack of consciousness of continuity to northeast India and Southeast Asia due to chickens neck.

i have already stated my position on the toxic, debased hindu concept of 'mleccha and mleccha desh' - this is the one concept that shows direct and decisive correlation with our downfall in the early medieval period.

It and all puritanical approaches in Hinduism is a decisive & periodic debasement of dharma and dharmic values, which above all, is that of BALANCE principle and not purity principle. A few times it crept in our ethos, we were able to excise this purity concept - through buddhism & adi shankara ( madhyamik approach) but once it reached critical mass under the destructive & regressive late kannauj triangle period, it completely erased all our geopolitical advantages and intel from outside, getting us invaded by clockwork, precisely when we were at our weakest and avoided when we were at our strongest.

So no, i do not accept such toxic & historically destuctive concept as valid, at all. Anumana and pramana of mlech as a concept shows that it is an own-goal of a concept and to be avoided at all costs.

 

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