Pakistan JIT says Pathankot attack was drama staged by India to malign Islamabad: Report

[sachin458377]

Indian Establishment has to take some tough decision like short war, or any such measure otherwise Porkis will continue to be playing such games. Predator drones from america will take time plus they will come with a restrictions.

 

[sukhish]

GOI is already doing what it can. there is not whole lot of leverage india has on pak. GOI has to make US into confidence, so do not expect much to happen.

 

[garg_bharat]

Indian Establishment has to take some tough decision like short war, or any such measure otherwise Porkis will continue to be playing such games. Predator drones from america will take time plus they will come with a restrictions.

What is the benefit of "short" war. They will keep playing games until they have protection. Today protection is coming from USA, China and GCC. That gives Pakistan artificial strength.

Let them stew in their own juices. Their ability to hurt us is going down by the day.

The jehadi culture of Pakistan has created fear in the minds of common people; and nullified any chances of good economic growth. Eventually the gap between India and Pakistan will become so wide that there will be no way for Pakistan to continue its policy.

 

[spikey360]

What is the benefit of "short" war. They will keep playing games until they have protection. Today protection is coming from USA, China and GCC. That gives Pakistan artificial strength.

You are right. The prostitute nation of Pakistan does have many clients.
But remember, those clients are only there because Bharatvarsh does not take a strong stand/action.
Even Ukraine had many client not-so-many-years-ago. But Russia basically split the country into two and seized strategic Crimea at will. Even though NATO and EU made a lot of noise about nuclear weapons etc, etc, nothing happened.
So action is the differentiator. Short war or not, the war is inevitable. We are only making it bigger by postponing it. After the war, neither Bharatvarsh, nor Pakistan will be same.

 

[asingh10]

Remember the Road Runner Show ? No matter how many sticks of dynamite blow up in coyote's face, he's back da next season. Much like how we are eager to start a new round of dossier dossier / cricket diplomacy / aman ki asha / people to people contact / aman ki asha etc after every terrorist attack.

 

[garg_bharat]

@asingh10, yes. No amount of our investigation will change their behaviour officially. BUT people are different. We have to win the perception game.

The number of Pakistani people who have a favorable opinion of India is rising.

If we do not confront them, then their version of events will prevail.

 

[garg_bharat]

"So action is the differentiator. Short war or not, the war is inevitable. We are only making it bigger by postponing it. After the war, neither Bharatvarsh, nor Pakistan will be same."

There is a big problem here.

If we fight but do not win; it does not help us in any way.

No army should fight for a stalemate. Stalemates are very expensive.

Neither indian public nor indian military is ready for a big war today. If you doubt me, run an opinion poll.

 

[k murali]

Many years ago Usha Ramanathan published an article (TN has no dogs in the Indo-Pak wars over Kashmir)

 

[Indx TechStyle]

You are right. The prostitute nation of Pakistan does have many clients.
But remember, those clients are only there because Bharatvarsh does not take a strong stand/action.
Even Ukraine had many client not-so-many-years-ago. But Russia basically split the country into two and seized strategic Crimea at will. Even though NATO and EU made a lot of noise about nuclear weapons etc, etc, nothing happened.
So action is the differentiator. Short war or not, the war is inevitable. We are only making it bigger by postponing it. After the war, neither Bharatvarsh, nor Pakistan will be same.

Their position is strategically so important that anybody may intervene.
If you will use your mind, you'll find that India will have to rise at the level of their clients.
Russia attacked Ukraine because it was at that level. India will take one or two decades to match US, Russia and China status. Then, anybody will think before disturbing us.

But doing it now is like stabbing at our own rise. Countries who are seeking reasons to prevent India's rise will get a solid reason. Nothing else would happen. So, you must wait for correct time.
After that, we can tell pakis what sort of animals we are.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

The number of Pakistani people who have a favorable opinion of India is rising.

Here you are wrong man. They are being taught more propaganda.
First we were taught as their rivals(when level were equal), now taught as an evil giant neighbor(given gap) and as time will pass, such things only will increase. Otherwise, they can't exist.
Moreover, on foreign soil, our reputation in development and socio -economic conditions and as a power has improved but we are seen as a strategic challenge. Even ally Americans (watch threads posted by me).

I still remember that thread, Is rising India a threat to Global Peace?
After destroying one country after other, they are calling us a threat to global peace.

 

[spikey360]

There is a big problem here.

If we fight but do not win; it does not help us in any way.

No army should fight for a stalemate. Stalemates are very expensive.

First of all, there cannot be any war where there is a 100% certain outcome. If an outcome is 100% certain, there is no reason for war.
That day will never come when there is a war with Pakistan and Pakistan stands to lose everything and Bharatvarsh nothing.

Neither indian public nor indian military is ready for a big war today. If you doubt me, run an opinion poll.

I do not doubt you.
But can you tell me of a time when Indian public and military were ready for war?

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Everybody,
Watch the sense of English of this paki anchor
:biggrin2: Probably, Madarsaa English is different.
Moreover, he admitted himself that hum India se ghabrate hain.

 

[spikey360]

Their position is strategically so important that anybody may intervene.
If you will use your mind, you'll find that India will have to rise at the level of their clients.
Russia attacked Ukraine because it was at that level. India will take one or two decades to match US, Russia and China status. Then, anybody will think before disturbing us.

But doing it now is like stabbing at our own rise. Countries who are seeking reasons to prevent India's rise will get a solid reason. Nothing else would happen. So, you must wait for correct time.
After that, we can tell pakis what sort of animals we are.

Come come, my friend, let's think straight forward.
We have killed and defeated these sub-humans four times in our history. None of the times did it appear as stabbing in our own back.
Stop gloating over economic gains and money in the banks. We won't go to the pyre with the money. All that remains after death is the honour and respect from people. Let's earn that.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Come come, my friend, let's think straight forward.
We have killed and defeated these sub-humans four times in our history. None of the times did it appear as stabbing in our own back.
Stop gloating over economic gains and money in the banks. We won't go to the pyre with the money. All that remains after death is the honour and respect from people. Let's earn that.

Man man, crossing road without looking left right is dangerous.
Pakis are an important reusable condom like country used by different countries for doing doing dash dash with each other. They won't let us take them out easily.
We have no threat from pakis but their masters. They are definitely a matter of concern. Let us catch up with both of them. Pakis and their masters.
Just wait for a while.
Do you know why pakis are always so hurry for resolution of disputes?
Because they won't have any room in some years. Taking them out would be like flapping a fly.

We would also have become ahead in number of nuclear weapons also.

 

[spikey360]

Man man, crossing road without looking left right is dangerous.
Pakis are an important reusable condom like country used by different countries for doing doing dash dash with each other. They won't let us take them out easily.
We have no threat from pakis but their masters. They are definitely a matter of concern. Let us catch up with both of them. Pakis and their masters.
Just wait for a while.
Do you know why pakis are always so hurry for resolution of disputes?
Because they won't have any room in some years. Taking them out would be like flapping a fly.

We would also have become ahead in number of nuclear weapons also.

After 26/11, there was a talk of replying "at a time and place of our choosing". I wonder if Bharatvarsh will live to see that time and place....

 

[ezsasa]

By now we should realise that there is a pattern to how pakis behave now a days.

Every time before pakis need to get something from Americans they play to the gallery and accept the CBM's thrown by us. After they get what they want the usual old anti-india rhetoric restarts again.

Last year it was that 900 million in payments and this year it was f16s. I am sorry to say this will continue to happen. Until Pakis decide to gocompletely into the Chinese orbit, which is not far off.

And don't forget, obama's distasteful comments on india also happen during this timeframe every year. Last year it was religious tolerance debate and this year on nuclear capabilities. Americans are just doing a balancing act...

Any thoughts on what I said above...

 

[Indx TechStyle]

After 26/11, there was a talk of replying "at a time and place of our choosing". I wonder if Bharatvarsh will live to see that time and place....

Okay, please get ready to tackle West, Russia and China alone.
Which is possible 15 years but not now.

 

[spikey360]

By now we should realise that there is a pattern to how pakis behave now a days.

Every time before pakis need to get something from Americans they play to the gallery and accept the CBM's thrown by us. After they get what they want the usual old anti-india rhetoric restarts again.

Last year it was that 900 million in payments and this year it was f16s. I am sorry to say this will continue to happen. Until Pakis decide to gocompletely into the Chinese orbit, which is not far off.

And don't forget, obama's distasteful comments on india also happen during this timeframe every year. Last year it was religious tolerance debate and this year on nuclear capabilities. Americans are just doing a balancing act...

Any thoughts on what I said above...

This is true and this has been the pattern since over a decade now, every year. Every Indian Prime Minister falls for the trick every single year, no exceptions.
Even robot PM MMS had the programming to stop engagement with the Pakistan. To my mind, he had gone in the right track. Under him, diplomatic relationships with the USA and Pakistan had hit the nadir.
BJP Government unnecessarily revived both, and are now paying the price for it. You know you are doing something wrong when even Khujliwal is shouting anti Paki slogans.

 

[spikey360]

Okay, please get ready to tackle West, Russia and China alone.
Which is possible 15 years but not now.

Laughable. West-Russia-China on the same side? In which universe are you living?
Russia is still loyal to our cause. If Bharat decided to stand up and shake hands with Russia and counter USA together, come what may, even coward China will follow suit, stop playing its dirty games and join the cause. In the axis of RIC, unfortunately India has become the weakest link and this alone is a cause for global concern and lament.
Of the "West" you speak - there is no "West". There is only USA and its weak, and inefficient lackeys. Without USA, none of the European countries have the guts to say anything against Russia, forget acting. In any case, with the nuclear triad, we have the whole of Europe under nuclear coverage. It is a sword we must brandish with pride and brandish with a cause. The cause being us.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Laughable. West-Russia-China on the same side? In which universe are you living?
Russia is still loyal to our cause. If Bharat decided to stand up and shake hands with Russia and counter USA together, come what may, even coward China will follow suit, stop playing its dirty games and join the cause. In the axis of RIC, unfortunately India has become the weakest link and this alone is a cause for global concern and lament.
Of the "West" you speak - there is no "West". There is only USA and its weak, and inefficient lackeys. Without USA, none of the European countries have the guts to say anything against Russia, forget acting. In any case, with the nuclear triad, we have the whole of Europe under nuclear coverage. It is a sword we must brandish with pride and brandish with a cause. The cause being us.

Our loyal friends collectively together vetoed our membership in UNSC, blocked from APEC, MTCR etc..
Russia will remain neutral because of China.
And there's a reason I other great powers to oppose us. We aren't waging only a war as usual.
We will either destroy or occupy them.

Dimag se kaam lo. Zyada jaldi ki khid bhi jayega, hamein bhi marwayega.