Pakistan expresses worry over planned Air Force base in Gujarat; complains about 'Cold Start'

[LETHALFORCE]

It is difficult for Pakistan to penetrate Indian airspace over longer distances. But Deesa is just 100km from border. Small ballistic missiles which are cheaply manufactured can be used in large numbers to attack the airbase. Pakistan has also got several anti ship missiles and other short range cruise missiles from China to be used. MRBL firing can also be done in salvos to take out such a close target.

Taking out targets which are long range requires accurate missiles and navigation system (which Pakistan doesn't have and India can jam GPS, Beidou, Glonass from within Indian airspace quite easily (satellite signals are weak and it doesn't take much energy to distort it) and Cruise missiles can be accurate with terrain mapping but are easily shot down due to slower speed and lesser maneuvering ability. So, Pakistan will find it difficult to take out deeper targets.

An s-300 /s-400 on rajeshtan or Gujurat Border will be more than enough. I have heard AWACS are already in that vicinity. This is not a defensive move , It is an offensive move to strike Karachi hard.

 

[Kshithij]

S400 is simply overhyped. It is not solution to all problems. India too can develop SAMs and ABMs. In fact, Astra based QR SAM, Akash SAM and BARAK-8 (once Indian seekers are developed) will be more than enough for all threats. Anti ballistic defence like PDV, Ashwin can be deployed too.

But none of these ca intercept salvos. Pakistan can fire salvos of rocket type short range ballistic missile of 150km range and strike the bases close to the border. If they fire 100 missiles, then some are bound to hit the target. That is the dangers of having airbases close to the border.

It is definitely an offensive move to not just strike Karachi but to annihilate all bases, hangars, missile storage nearby in quick attack as seen in Gulf war. We need more such bases near the border. But, they must have underground bases and runways or reinforced concrete to fortify them thoroughly.

An s-300 /s-400 on rajeshtan or Gujurat Border will be more than enough. I have heard AWACS are already in that vicinity. This is not a defensive move , It is an offensive move to strike Karachi hard.

 

[hit&run]

What makes a facility formidable? Do you mean a covered runway?

So many things in terms of infrastructure including bunkered facilities for weapon and component storage.

Gujarat is a massive state where land acquisition shouldn't be a problem. Few things one can expect there are, MOA airspace, Special use airspace, High tech systems and ground subsystems for range operations (TTS, DDS), tailor made tactical air defence for access denial, air dominance operations using multi layered air defence systems, Composite strike force with multiple air fighters and ground forces backed by IBG for initial thrust. Fast response runways and recovery strips etc etc...

 

[Kshithij]

Gujarat has lot if waste land, most of which are uncultivable. Land acquisition is not an issue here, especially near the border where it is mostly marshy wasteland.

Yes, if you mean facilities with reinforced concrete or underground facilities which can withstand attacks, you are right. In fact, fortifying bases is a very important and common practice. Even in 1971 war, India had stored its plane in fortified bunkers. Pakistan attacked the airbase but none of the planes were harmed.

 

[Screambowl]

Chinese want India to get involved with Pak and fight

Once the war is over India will have economic set backs and lack of ammo.

China then will take opportunity.

This is how they will counter India's 2 front war.

As this is not hard and fast rule that both will come at the same time on the front. One after another is also a possibility.

 

[indus]

What kind of fighters will be stationed there. My guess is that ground attack planes like Jaguar shld be first stationed. LCAs shld also be put to good use at new places.

 

[Screambowl]

What kind of fighters will be stationed there. My guess is that ground attack planes like Jaguar shld be first stationed. LCAs shld also be put to good use at new places.

jags migs 29k and lca would do the job for J&K Mirage instead of jags
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[LordOfTheUnderworlds]

How many missiles they will need to fire to saturate air defence and cause significant damage to one sprawling air base? Will it be cheap for them compared to the cost of maintaining the airbase for India?

 

[Anikastha]

How many missiles they will need to fire to saturate air defence and cause significant damage to one sprawling air base? Will it be cheap for them compared to the cost of maintaining the airbase for India?

Cruise Missiles or guided rockets?

 

[LordOfTheUnderworlds]

Cruise Missiles or guided rockets?

Whatever from Pakistani perspective

 

[Anikastha]

Whatever from Pakistani perspective

Cruise missile can be intercepted. CM are much costlier than guided rockets.
Salvo of rockets is enough to take out Air Defence. But target must be in their range. And we can take out those MBRL before they could cause any harm. If other side goes for cruise missile , as per my knowledge they will take out radar and anti-aircraft installations. Then bring bombers to destroy remaining base.
Or
They must be ready to fire a dozen CM to take out very vital installation ( not the complete base). Well that will shoot the cost up. If this CM strike didn't inflict expected damage then Paki generals must commit suicide.
Coming to cost of maintaining:
1) We need concrete underground bunkers to hide main stream aircraft safe from initial air strike from our enemies.
2) Bunkers must be withstand with anti-bunker ammunition.
3)Initially we need to invest heavily. Later on it can reduced.
4) Don't forget about maintainance of aircraft and secrity.
Maintaining a base is bit costlier than attack from enemy.
Though National Security is our concern.
If Airbase is much close to International border , there is no offence to expect surprise attacks from enemy. Of course we can do it if we needed.

 

[Kshithij]

Hiw will they know the location of radars? Why do you think India won't maintain redundancy of multiple radars as backup? Also, do note that we will keep a number of radars across the borders and in multiple redundancy. Also, SAMS will placed in lot of positions to seal off the border from any aircraft or cruise missile. Only ballistic missiles can bypass. But, then India will also be launching hundreds if not thousands of ballistic missiles, cruise missiles etc. It is not that India will simply watch while Pakistan builds up its missile launchers. For every 1 pakistani missile, India can launch 20. India has much more resources than Pakistan

 

[Suryavanshi]

What this means for Pakistan

Spoiler: PAF Base Faisal

Spoiler: PAF Base Marsor

Spoiler: PAF Base Korangi

Our jaguar can wreck these now

 

[sthf]

How many missiles they will need to fire to saturate air defence and cause significant damage to one sprawling air base? Will it be cheap for them compared to the cost of maintaining the airbase for India?

Whatever from Pakistani perspective

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I could be wrong and would welcome correction but in the event of a full fledged war, both air forces will move their assets and personnel further inland, with air bases near border acting as forward air bases rather than as major operational bases.

 

[Suryavanshi]

We could rain them with missile crippling their ability to retaliate and then non stop sorties of bombing in until we have destroyed every major military installation.

 

[Anikastha]

Hiw will they know the location of radars? Why do you think India won't maintain redundancy of multiple radars as backup? Also, do note that we will keep a number of radars across the borders and in multiple redundancy. Also, SAMS will placed in lot of positions to seal off the border from any aircraft or cruise missile. Only ballistic missiles can bypass. But, then India will also be launching hundreds if not thousands of ballistic missiles, cruise missiles etc. It is not that India will simply watch while Pakistan builds up its missile launchers. For every 1 pakistani missile, India can launch 20. India has much more resources than Pakistan

He asked Pakistan perspective.
And during two front war just forget the luxury about " For every 1 pak missile , 20 will be launched."
India till now never attacked any country. We were the people who took first hit. I never underestimate our forces or enemy.
Terrain hugging missile will be a serious head ache for every one. We do have systems to bring them down. But not an easy job.

 

[Anikastha]

What this means for Pakistan

Spoiler: PAF Base Faisal

Spoiler: PAF Base Marsor

Spoiler: PAF Base Korangi

Our jaguar can wreck these now

Don't you think these basters don't have underground hangars?

 

[Kshithij]

He asked Pakistan perspective.
And during two front war just forget the luxury about " For every 1 pak missile , 20 will be launched."
India till now never attacked any country. We were the people who took first hit. I never underestimate our forces or enemy.
Terrain hugging missile will be a serious head ache for every one. We do have systems to bring them down. But not an easy job.

Terrain hugging is not easy as you said. They fly at about 100 metres height. Several factors like tall trees, forest, buildings etc prevent pure terrain hugging.

Again, the border areas have open space which can detect flying objects. AEWACS can also detect flying objects, even at lower levels. Cruise missiles can also be intercepted by fighter planes and BVR.

The radars are also generally placed in higher grounds as far as possible to ensure maximum detection. There may be backup radars too if these are taken out, but if any radar is taken out, then India is bound to retaliate with 20 missiles per missile.

Till now, India was enslaved and its people retarded. But, now it is time to end Kali Yuga. The sanity will be restored to the minds of the right people

 

[Anikastha]

Terrain hugging is not easy as you said. They fly at about 100 metres height. Several factors like tall trees, forest, buildings etc prevent pure terrain hugging.

Again, the border areas have open space which can detect flying objects. AEWACS can also detect flying objects, even at lower levels. Cruise missiles can also be intercepted by fighter planes and BVR.

The radars are also generally placed in higher grounds as far as possible to ensure maximum detection. There may be backup radars too if these are taken out, but if any radar is taken out, then India is bound to retaliate with 20 missiles per missile.

Till now, India was enslaved and its people retarded. But, now it is time to end Kali Yuga. The sanity will be restored to the minds of the right people

Spoke like a true warrior.. Huha...

 

[Kshithij]

Spoke like a true warrior.. Huha...

Anyway, my point was that the unreasonable activities done in the past need not be repeated.