not that we should get those 36 and add those numbers to 72Additional rafale will be cheaper since infrastructure and specific upgrades already exists.
MMRCA is not going to happen.not that we should get those 36 and add those numbers to 72
I am talking MMRCA deal
MMRCA deal is Pegged at 15 billion $
If it's gone through let's say some were 2023 or 2024
Why not SU-57 over any 4. 5 th generation fighters
114 0f these platform with Indian touch like mki can be statergical booster.
Russians just bought 76 of these at 7-8 billion $
Well IAF is adment on it. And organization will fight for it.MMRCA is not going to happen.
Su 57 is hardly serving it's purpose and Rafle is good at what it is meant to do. It's stealth is lacklustre, sub components nowhere near western counterpart's. We don't get full TOT of any component and most likely meant to be su 30 redux. Russians want to milk us for another 20 30 years while haulting indigenous project.Well we r doing it with rafale arent we
Why not switch it with better deal
Point taken now read factual counter argumentsSu 57 is hardly serving it's purpose and Rafle is good at what it is meant to do. It's stealth is lacklustre, sub components nowhere near western counterpart's. We don't get full TOT of any component and most likely meant to be su 30 redux.
During the time we signed the Rafale deal we had already dropped Su 57 wholeheartedly.
We have our own project now no need to look anywhere else
How It provide Better in terms of technology than Su-57 Please counterWe have 36 Rafale planned but I wish we sign a deal and manufacture another 100 locally.
So Getting 5 th gen over 4.5 gen Is some how bad idea suddenlyI dont see the point of buying Su 57 right now unless Russians give us the full unconditional TOT and make us part of the supply chain.
MMRCA is more geared towards non stealth fighter something that isn't going obsolete any time soon, why try to get stealth in it that serves a completely different purpose?
Sir there is no significant advantage of buying Su 57.How It provide Better in terms of technology than Su-57 Please counter
Dassault rejected HAL
I will be happy to have more Rafale through MMRCAsorry to say but they Will re negotiate the MMRCA with new Rafale f4 tranche
AMCA is separate Project it has separate fundingWe have our own AMCA project now and its first prototype is supposed to roll out anywhere between 2024 to 2027 and Geared towards induction by AF between 2030 to 2032 If everything goes as planned. With the PPP model involved and in light of better performance of HAL in consecutive years we should have more confidence in the project.
I am Not Demanding Su-57 i am saying switching Needs for Rafale as it doesn't add anything NewSir there is no significant advantage of buying Su 57.
Su 57 and Rafale are like tomatoes and apple they both serve a different purpose. Rafale is a 4.5+ gen fighter and Su 57 is stealth I have already said that the MMRCA deal does not extensively demand for a stealth platform. If u just want Su 57 as an alternative to AMCA than its a whole different argument entirely.
Dassault Rejected HAL but there are other options and if not we will directly buy from them.
My opinion Differs For Me adding another futuristic 5th generation aircraft to our inventory which has scope future upgrade after spending 15 billion $ Will better idea in in terms of strategic planningI will be happy to have more Rafale through MMRCA
Why do we need another stealth Aircraft when AMCA is already there,So Getting 5 th gen over 4.5 gen Is some how bad idea suddenly
Because we have a depleting Squadron strength and a immediate stop gap measure was needed. When the Rafale deal was first tabled there was a agreement on Kaveri, local production and 30% reinvestment.whole MMRCA seems to me Stupidity
Why need another Medium class aircraft when we already has 270 + MKI
which can easily converted to Multirole by Next MLU
We have over 150 aircraft retiring by 2030. Realistically we should be retiring 300 to catch up with modern air force.Also Why We are building MWF then isn't it wastage of Resources ???
Why buy another stealth platform when MMRCA is not about stealthAMCA is separate Project it has separate funding
If MMRCA will not impact its induction how Will su-57 ???
why Americans have f-22 And f-35 ???hy do we need another stealth Aircraft when AMCA is already there,
Bro think calmly this technology can be added in MKI by simple MLU upgrade and increasing its numberts to 350+ by spending less monetary resourcesBecause we have a depleting Squadron strength and a immediate stop gap measure was needed. When the Rafale deal was first tabled there was a agreement on Kaveri, local production and 30% reinvestment.
There were to many pros in the deal.
And it is a fact that Rafales are significantly better than Su 30. We have the weapons package along with Rafale that is Meteor Missile the best BVRAAM right now and further agreement in helping them to integrate with Indian Aircrafts.
Rafale is the last foreign fighter jet we are buying, say goodbye to import after this.I am Not Demanding Su-57 i am saying switching Needs for Rafale as it doesn't add anything New
accept a BVR platform Which is being in development by our own R&D firms
4.5+ will Rule the sky uptil 2050 and we already have smart warfare system upcoming for these 4.5+ gen.How getting Stealth over 4.5 gen is Bad idea in terms of future strategic thinking
You want to turn the whole air force into Kichadi?MMRCA is just "Name of procurement plan" by Mod which is pegged at 15 billion $
It can be changed And money Used for Inducting New Platform
Why buy a 5th gen we already have AMCA and there is no particular demand of Su 57 right now?AMCA is Medium weight Platform and it has Separate funding And procurement Plan
we already developing our on MMRCA in MWF
-They have 1 trillion budgetwhy Americans have f-22 And f-35 ???
We are developing the followingBro think calmly this technology can be added in MKI by simple MLU upgrade by spending less monetary resources
It failure of our own strategic planning that our Primary aircraft is decade backward in terms of technology against it peers
As for Meteor we are developing Our own SDFR And Astra mk2
and Russians Too surfaced there K-77M with AESA seeker
French offering us nothing better in terms weapon package what we don't have it in MKIRafale is the last foreign fighter jet we are buying, say goodbye to import after this.
Buying Rafale has the following pros.
-We get all Subsystem like Meteor, Mica, Hammer.
-They have promised to integrate French weapons in all Non Russian platform.
-They will agree to local production if we provide them the right partner.
-We already have infra for Rafale now.
-Follow up orders will cost way less
-30% reinvestment in India
-Safran Kaveri Deal still hanging if orders are placed
-France has been way more Trustworthy than Russians recently.
Pros of Su 57
-We get a lackluster 5 gen plane that we can ourselves make 5 years behind.
-We get some TOT for sub system that are significantly behind West
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