Nirbhay Cruise Missile Development

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Naval role for nirbhay

 

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USA 's Tomahawk Vs India's Nirbhay Vs Pakistan's Babur-Three subsonic cruise missile|wiki,differences,facts - Aermech.com

 

[Bhadra]

Naval role for nirbhay

Have the capabilities mentioned in the chart are fully realised ??

Does it have TERCOM ?? Is it capable of terrain masking as yet ?

I doubt !!

May be under development ..

 

[sgarg]

I would think Nirbhay may have to be built in thousands. If it is to be put on major warships, and given to major army formations, the number has to be quite large. A dedicated factory churning it out at the rate of 100+ per year is the best way.

This is the time to start building the factory.

 

[Bhadra]

I would think Nirbhay may have to be built in thousands. If it is to be put on major warships, and given to major army formations, the number has to be quite large. A dedicated factory churning it out at the rate of 100+ per year is the best way.

This is the time to start building the factory.

@Garg Ji

The unit cost of Tomahawak is t: Approximately $569,000 (FY99 $).
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=2200&tid=1300&ct=2

Now multiply that by 60 = 34140000 or say one unit cost is approximately Rs 3.5 Crores
For 1000 pieces it would Rs 35 000 crores...

Even US does not have that kind of numbers.

the total programme cost for US has been _ Total program cost: $US 11,210,000,000

Indian Rupees = 672600000000

I can not even count the zeroes....

India will have to plunder US federal bank for that kind of money.

 

[SajeevJino]

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@Bhadra

US have more than 1000+ tomahawks on Hair Trigger and More numbers in Storage

 

[pmaitra]

@Bhadra ji,

What is the cost of one Nirbhay, assuming 1000 of them are produced? It won't be Rs. 3.5 crores. It will be less than that.

 

[kumar2310s]

I would say if india considers that this is going to be a game changer technology, then lets invest in the large factories for Nirbhay and i believe, in large scale production, the economies of scale will apply and the cost will come down significantly. Large number of Nirbhay will take care of threats from both Pakistan and China.

 

[arnabmit]

Agni 4 is new Agni 2 and I think its under induction ?

Yes, Agni 4 is an upgraded Agni 2 incorporating the next gen tech from Agni 5. Virtually a new missile.

No, it is not inducted yet. There are still a couple of development trials remaining.

 

[arnabmit]

How long will it take for Nirbhay to enter production and we have a ready stock to counter Pak babur?

Nirbhay is not for Pakistan. It is mainly to hit China, for some TAR and Chengdu HVTs.

Nirbhay with 1500km range is wasted on Pakistan, which is just 400km across. There would be a mini-Nirbhay coming up in 5yrs with lesser range which can be used against Pak by supporting Brahmos (This CM would also be used for coastal defense battery).

 

[arnabmit]

OK i mean how long will it take to match Pak babur capability. With India having large quantity of Nirbhay in our stock?

Pak's Babur and Ra'ad capability is already over-matched by India in terms of Brahmos on every performance parameters and numbers as well.

 

[pmaitra]

Pak's Babur and Ra'ad capability is already over-matched by India in terms of Brahmos on every performance parameters and numbers as well.

How do the ranges of Babur and BrahMos compare?

 

[arnabmit]

US navy has an arsenal of 4000+ Tomahawks of different configurations.

"1000s of Nirbhay" might be a certainty within the next decade and a half.

It can be safely assumed that the price of each Nirbhay would be 1/4-1/3 of each tomahawk.

@Garg Ji

The unit cost of Tomahawak is t: Approximately $569,000 (FY99 $).
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=2200&tid=1300&ct=2

Now multiply that by 60 = 34140000 or say one unit cost is approximately Rs 3.5 Crores
For 1000 pieces it would Rs 35 000 crores...

Even US does not have that kind of numbers.

the total programme cost for US has been _ Total program cost: $US 11,210,000,000

Indian Rupees = 672600000000

I can not even count the zeroes....

India will have to plunder US federal bank for that kind of money.

@Bhadra ji,

What is the cost of one Nirbhay, assuming 1000 of them are produced? It won't be Rs. 3.5 crores. It will be less than that.

 

[arnabmit]

How do the ranges of Babur and BrahMos compare?

Range in absolute numbers doesn't matter.

What matters is that:
Brahmos fired from Indian soil can rain down on 85%-90% of Pakistan
Babur fired from Paki soil can rain down on <20% of India

And within 5-7yrs, Babur/Ra'ad would also have to contend with Indian CMD (50-60km altitude long endurance un-tethered autonomous solar aerostat sensors, LEO satellites, supported by QR-SAM and AAD interceptors).

 

[Bhadra]

@Bhadra ji,

What is the cost of one Nirbhay, assuming 1000 of them are produced? It won't be Rs. 3.5 crores. It will be less than that.

But where is the bloody money ??

@Bhadra

US have more than 1000+ tomahawks on Hair Trigger and More numbers in Storage

Just go to wikki on Tomahawk .. us has not fired more than 800 Tomahawak in last 15 years in all sorts of Wars..

Considering the rate of production whay should they have more than 1000 in their store ? Are they spendthrifts ??

And where will India use 100 Nirbhayay.. say within six months that they need that kind of stocks...

For Pakistan about 30 of those suffice...

Add 200 ods for Chinese targets... why 1000 in stock ??

These numbers must be derived from requirements....


And Finally .. Those more than 1000 tomahawks of the USA have not given them much of success anywhere so far ranging from Libya, Sudan to Afghanistan or Iraq...

 

[power_monger]

@Garg Ji

Now multiply that by 60 = 34140000 or say one unit cost is approximately Rs 3.5 Crores
For 1000 pieces it would Rs 35 000 crores...

India will have to plunder US federal bank for that kind of money.[/B]

Please do proper math.
3.5 * 1000 = 3500 crores. easily doable by India.
Infact india can easily match American Inventory level of having 4000+ cruise missiles as i guess it would cost around 10000 crores or 2 billion dollar which is not much of problem to India.

remember 10K crore is not a waste.It generates lot of jobs and spurs economy.

 

[Bhadra]

Consider 350 kg bomb being delivered by an aircraft against 3050 Kg explosive being delivered by Nirbhaya...

It may seem that Nirbhaya is more economical but come to think of the low grade and no so expensive aircrafts and no dearth of men (pilots ) India has .. aircrafts delivery comes to much cheaper...

In the ultimate analysis - War is a function of Economics..

 

[power_monger]

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[power_monger]

Consider 350 kg bomb being delivered by an aircraft against 3050 Kg explosive being delivered by Nirbhaya...

It may seem that Nirbhaya is more economical but come to think of the low grade and no so expensive aircrafts and no dearth of men (pilots ) India has .. aircrafts delivery comes to much cheaper...

In the ultimate analysis - War is a function of Economics..

Now compare the loss if aircraft is shot down? It would easily be 100 times as expensive as Nirbhay cruise missile.

And fighter has other aspects,availability,numbers and many other issues. Yes War is a function of economics and you need to figure it out.

 

[power_monger]

Nirbhay is not for Pakistan. It is mainly to hit China, for some TAR and Chengdu HVTs.

Nirbhay with 1500km range is wasted on Pakistan, which is just 400km across. There would be a mini-Nirbhay coming up in 5yrs with lesser range which can be used against Pak by supporting Brahmos (This CM would also be used for coastal defense battery).

Reducing range may not really save on expense end as hitech stuff such as seekers which cost more will still be re-used. mini-Nirbhay may not be on the cards.I had heard that DRDO is also working on a long range supersonic missile primarily for Navy.