Nirbhay Cruise Missile Development

[afako]

we should have missile bay ships (both for nirbhay and K15 ship launch version). Plus wont be bad idea to have PDV and AAD on these missile bay ships.

I already proposed a P15C Class ship. (Cruiser Ship)

K15 in Cruise Missile Role to attack Strategic Targets like Hongkong and Guanghzou.

Nirbhay (should be exported to Vietnam in lots) to take out coastal and near coast

Hypersonic Brahmos with 500 Km Range. (All Supported by IRNSS+GAGAN)

Klub-S (Range 50 Km) to take care of underwater threats.

AAD can be navalised with LRTE.

Or 2 Capital ships can share the above capabilities between them.

 

[Yusuf]

K15 to take out HK?? We don't want to send Arihant close to Chini land. We have to wait for the longer range K4

 

[SilentKiller]

We need 2 variants 1000-15000 range and 3000 km range.

better to have cruise missiles in 1000 to 3000 km range for cruise missiles.
We needs to be realistic.

Reason; these missiles are to be delivered via Planes or ships. needs to be lighter and agile.
15K range means too heavy and expensive.

Ballistic or continental missiles can do that stuff.
We need max 8-10K range missiles to target China. that's it. That the current requirement.
we are working quite good on that.

 

[WMD]

The P15A too has similar space constraints. Unlike the Zumwalt or Arleigh burke class DDGs, which carry a complement of 96 tomahawks, the P15A holds only a 4*4 cell for Brahmos ASM.

the Zumwalt or Arleigh burke class DDGs don't carry 96 tomahawks, these contain 96 cell Mk 41 VLS for Flights II and IIA: of Arleigh burke class for Flight I the no. is 90, it means these can accomodate 96 and 90 missiles altogether including tomahawks, harpoons, standard missiles, sea sparrow missile.
the no. is 80 for Zumwalt class.(20 × MK 57 VLS modules, with a total of 80 launch cells) and a max 20 tomahawks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arleigh_Burke-class_destroyer Zumwalt-class destroyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
kolkata class has 4*4 cell UVLM for BrahMos, but for air defence its got 2× 32-cell VLS Barak 8+ 4× 8 cell Barak 1,

 

[sayareakd]

this universal launch tube is made by L&T.

we can have 20 or so tubes in a ship.

 

[Bheeshma]

Sorry my bad. 1000-1500 km range, 15K range is ridiculous.

Also need it to be sub launched (tube) for kilos and SSK's and air launched from Su-30/Rafale/Tejas.

All the best DRDO. Waiting for the test eagerly.

 

[afako]

It wouldn't make much sense converting the aRihants to SSGNs. They can only carry some 12 K15s or 4 K4s. Assuming you dont go for hull extension, the space available for CMs will be same as that for BMs.
With such small sapce, the number of CMs onboard the SSGN will be too low to make a real impact.
Note that the Ohio class launched some 154 tomahawks against Libya in the early stages.

The P15A too has similar space constraints. Unlike the Zumwalt or Arleigh burke class DDGs, which carry a complement of 96 tomahawks, the P15A holds only a 4*4 cell for Brahmos ASM.

12 VLS Nirbhay + 3 Torpedos, HWT etc in the inner room.

You have an Akula equivalent but larger than Trafalgar and Baracudda.

 

[DivineHeretic]

the Zumwalt or Arleigh burke class DDGs don't carry 96 tomahawks, these contain 96 cell Mk 41 VLS for Flights II and IIA: of Arleigh burke class for Flight I the no. is 90, it means these can accomodate 96 and 90 missiles altogether including tomahawks, harpoons, standard missiles, sea sparrow missile.
the no. is 80 for Zumwalt class.(20 × MK 57 VLS modules, with a total of 80 launch cells) and a max 20 tomahawks.
Arleigh Burke-class destroyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Zumwalt-class destroyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
kolkata class has 4*4 cell UVLM for BrahMos, but for air defence its got 2× 32-cell VLS Barak 8+ 4× 8 cell Barak 1,

My bad, I typed 96 instead of 56. I guess I was thinking about the no. of mk41 launchers.
Thanx for correcting my error.

But 16 Brahmos severely limits the land attack capabilities. It will act more like an AAW platform by the count of AD missiles.

 

[DivineHeretic]

12 VLS Nirbhay + 3 Torpedos, HWT etc in the inner room.

You have an Akula equivalent but larger than Trafalgar and Baracudda.

Actually, you can place 4-8 Nirbhays in each launch tube, totalling 16-32 Nirbhays, depending on the length of each tube.

 

[WMD]

My bad, I typed 96 instead of 56. I guess I was thinking about the no. of mk41 launchers.
Thanx for correcting my error.

But 16 Brahmos severely limits the land attack capabilities. It will act more like an AAW platform by the count of AD missiles.

u r right abt limited land attack capabilities, but its not because of no. its because of range, which will get a big boost in Nirbhay(P-15B).
AFAIK tomahawks aren't used for anti-shipping role, just land attack. BTW what do u mean by 56, for zumwalt the max no. of tomahawks is 20, similar no. for arleigh-burke.
IMO zumwalt has a big edge in AGS, with 2 systems per ship, around 900 rounds and a range of 100-150kms.

 

[DivineHeretic]

u r right abt limited land attack capabilities, but its not because of no. its because of range, which will get a big boost in Nirbhay(P-15B).
AFAIK tomahawks aren't used for anti-shipping role, just land attack. BTW what do u mean by 56, for zumwalt the max no. of tomahawks is 20, similar no. for arleigh-burke.
IMO zumwalt has a big edge in AGS, with 2 systems per ship, around 900 rounds and a range of 100-150kms.

The ships are armed with 56 Raytheon Tomahawk cruise missiles, with a combination of land-attack (TLAM) missiles with a Tercom aided navigation system, and anti-ship missiles with inertial guidance.

Arleigh Burke Class (Aegis) Destroyer - Naval Technology

The 900 round magazine is good for shore bombardment, but in the modern age of proliferation of large number of AShMs by everyone, who'd want to park his $3 billion ship near the coast?

 

[afako]

Actually, you can place 4-8 Nirbhays in each launch tube, totalling 16-32 Nirbhays, depending on the length of each tube.

I think 3 Nirbhays = 1 B 05.

 

[DivineHeretic]

this universal launch tube is made by L&T.

we can have 20 or so tubes in a ship.

20 tubes would be an overstretch on our Kolkata DDGs. There is the issue of weight distribution, not to mention the space constraints on a Ship. In any case 5 sets of tubes would suffice,with 40 missiles being a combination of Nirbhays and Brahmos.

 

[WMD]

The ships are armed with 56 Raytheon Tomahawk cruise missiles, with a combination of land-attack (TLAM) missiles with a Tercom aided navigation system, and anti-ship missiles with inertial guidance.

Arleigh Burke Class (Aegis) Destroyer - Naval Technology

The 900 round magazine is good for shore bombardment, but in the modern age of proliferation of large number of AShMs by everyone, who'd want to park his $3 billion ship near the coast?

a single arleigh-burke destroyer has 90 or 96 cell, depending on the config.
so if 56 tomahawks is correct, then the no. of SAMs would b less.
but we need both Nirbhay and BrahMos on the same UVLM, one for land attack and the other for anti-shipping role

 

[Payeng]

Where is the Missile

 

[DivineHeretic]

Where is the Missile

Hopefully, tomorrow at this time a News flash will inform us that the Nirbhay was tested successfully at the missile range in Odhissa. That is if some brilliant journalist does not state it as a Ballistic missile or Brahmos extended.

 

[DivineHeretic]

a single arleigh-burke destroyer has 90 or 96 cell, depending on the config.
so if 56 tomahawks is correct, then the no. of SAMs would b less.
but we need both Nirbhay and BrahMos on the same UVLM, one for land attack and the other for anti-shipping role

Flight 1 has 90 cells, Flight 2 has 96. The missile package onboard the DDG-51 class is dependent on its role. Usually for CBG escort role, it acts as AAW platform, meaning more SAMs, but other missions as the initial strikes in GW2, the same DDG in the CBG can carry larger number of CMs for land attack.

 

[sayareakd]

20 tubes would be an overstretch on our Kolkata DDGs. There is the issue of weight distribution, not to mention the space constraints on a Ship. In any case 5 sets of tubes would suffice,with 40 missiles being a combination of Nirbhays and Brahmos.

I had something like this in mind

 

[bengalraider]

I had something like this in mind

I feel what you guys really want is an arsenal ship type concept, with more than 500 individual launch tubes for tomahawks the arsenal ship was designed to devastate the enemy with one primary strike.

Federation of American Scientists :: Arsenal Ship

 

[sayareakd]

I feel what you guys really want is an arsenal ship type concept, with more than 500 individual launch tubes for tomahawks the arsenal ship was designed to devastate the enemy with one primary strike.

Federation of American Scientists :: Arsenal Ship

yeah something like this that will scared the hell out of our enemies.