MRCA News & Dicussions (IV)

[gogbot]

Armed forces face further £1bn in cuts


UK is scrapping 50 Typhoons because they could no longer afford them.

How does this impact their Commitment or share in the Euro-fighter consortium ?

Would they loose their manufacturing share ?

 

[p2prada]

How does this impact their Commitment or share in the Euro-fighter consortium ?

Would they loose their manufacturing share ?

Its a loss of business. Loss of jobs and taxes included.

 

[warriorextreme]

are they scrapping EF because of the high operating costs??
if yes then will it take our of MRCA?
AESA radar for EF will enter service by 2015..thats a bummer.
F/A-18 super hornet already has AESA radar..
we need to induct best planes with least operating cost..
so is super hornet better in terms of unit cost and operating cost and technology?(i heard it incorporates some stealth features too)

 

[nitesh]

With LCA getting IOC, AESA getting banned for export, more MKI getting ordered. The IAF file leak hmmmm things are getting interesting for MRCA. I am getting a feeling that the decision will be at least delayed if not shelved.

 

[arya]

order should be cancled no mmrca

we can just select 70 rafale and 70 f18 planes

no other option for us we cant say no to usa and we have to select best planes for IAF

rafale and f18 are the best combination for f18

70 rafale
70 f18
120-180 lca mk2
270 - su30mki
120-200 pak fa


guys nothing will come from mmrca we have to go for both planes

 

[neo29]

^^^^

Imagine the maintenance and life costs for 2 different fighters in mmrca. With LCA and Pak Fa it shoots up more.

If AESA is a concern then surely India will get it from Russia separately or bundled with Pak Fa. Any European fighter will also provide AESA, but probably a little late. US may have blocked AESA from Israel so that India who is already developing its own AESA and will probably get from Russia or Europe may make the indigenous AESA better. Its practical thinking that awareness and a peek into different systems helps a lot.

 

[Vikramaditya]

order should be cancled no mmrca

we can just select 70 rafale and 70 f18 planes

no other option for us we cant say no to usa and we have to select best planes for IAF

rafale and f18 are the best combination for f18

70 rafale
70 f18
120-180 lca mk2
270 - su30mki
120-200 pak fa


guys nothing will come from mmrca we have to go for both planes

arya, fighter aircraft are not underwear that you wear it and throw it...it need lot of maintenance and your 70 rafale and 70 f 18 theory will be nightmare for IAF...

whoever provide us more and better tech IAF should go for it..we should think of our future and defense industry as antony said money is not a problem today and drdo chief said they don't want to reinvent wheels..Going for typhoon or rafale will be good idea.

PS.aryan sorry for the undi line...

 

[Crusader53]

My bad. It is 11G and not to mention an AOA of 31deg. 13G wouldn't kill pilots, only you and me.

Having 7.5G at peace time would mean Pilots will not be trained in 8G and 9G maneuvers. So, that defeats the purpose of the aircraft. As of now only the F-35A is a real fighter.

I believe you start to suffer internal injuries after 11G's. As for your comment about the F-35A. The F-35C is just as much of a fighter as the former and has advantages of its own.

 

[Crusader53]

^^^^

Imagine the maintenance and life costs for 2 different fighters in mmrca. With LCA and Pak Fa it shoots up more.

If AESA is a concern then surely India will get it from Russia separately or bundled with Pak Fa. Any European fighter will also provide AESA, but probably a little late. US may have blocked AESA from Israel so that India who is already developing its own AESA and will probably get from Russia or Europe may make the indigenous AESA better. Its practical thinking that awareness and a peek into different systems helps a lot.

Which, is why the Super Hornet would be the best Partner for the LCA MK2.

 

[mayfair]

Which, is why the Super Hornet would be the best Partner for the LCA MK2.

Indeed they'll look good parked side by side when the fleet is grounded due to some imbecilic US sanctions.

 

[p2prada]

I believe you start to suffer internal injuries after 11G's. As for your comment about the F-35A. The F-35C is just as much of a fighter as the former and has advantages of its own.

Nope. Trained pilots survive up to 13G. Mirage2000 pilots have done maneuvers at 11G and it requires turning the FCS off.

Space Shuttle and Soyuz astronauts experience 11 to 12 G during re entry.

 

[Crusader53]

Nope. Trained pilots survive up to 13G. Mirage2000 pilots have done maneuvers at 11G and it requires turning the FCS off.

Space Shuttle and Soyuz astronauts experience 11 to 12 G during re entry.

I stand corrected........


Yet, that doesn't preclude the Super Hornet from pulling a similar level of G. Also, while the Pilot may live past 10-11G+. Doesn't mean that he has control of the Aircraft in which he is flying!

 

[p2prada]

I stand corrected........


Yet, that doesn't preclude the Super Hornet from pulling a similar level of G. Also, while the Pilot may live past 10-11G+. Doesn't mean that he has control of the Aircraft in which he is flying!

He is in control of the aircraft. They score kills too.

Super Hornet doing the same is not possible. It was not built for High G maneuvers.

 

[SATISH]

Heard one USAF pilot pulled more than 13 gs and scored a kill in the Gulf war..but the airframe seemed to have had extensive damage after he landed.

 

[arya]

arya, fighter aircraft are not underwear that you wear it and throw it...it need lot of maintenance and your 70 rafale and 70 f 18 theory will be nightmare for IAF...

whoever provide us more and better tech IAF should go for it..we should think of our future and defense industry as antony said money is not a problem today and drdo chief said they don't want to reinvent wheels..Going for typhoon or rafale will be good idea.

PS.aryan sorry for the undi line...

well you have to understand deal is not for IAF the deal s for indian govt we have to cover many points with deal something behind the door

 

[black eagle]

India's MMRCA trials help Russian aerial refueling tanker bid
Our Bureau

Flight trials of the six contenders for India's Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) tender have had an unusual side effect on the race to sell India aerial refueling aircraft. Asked to prove aerial refueling capability, the contenders, F-16, Gripen, Rafale, F/A 18, MiG-35 and Eurofighter have had no option but use the Indian Air Force (IAF)'s existing tanker, the Il-86 mid-air refueler to prove that their aircraft is capable of meeting IAF's requirements as regarding aerial refuelling.

The Il-86 is a contender in India's re-floated bid to buy fresh aerial refueling tankers. Fresh bids are due later this month and the besides the Il-86, the other likely contenders are the Airbus A-330 MRTT and the Boeing KC-X. The success of the MMRCA aerial refueling tests means that the IL-76 tanker will have a stronger case due to the fact that its capability has been proven on all the MMRCA bidders, one of which will be eventually selected.

In fact, the MMRCA contenders had to make major modifications to their aerial refueling systems to match the IL-76's fuel pipe mating and locking systems to prove that the their aircraft can be refueled in mid-air.

Informed sources told Defenseworld.net that the Russian bid had "emerged stronger" after the MMRCA aerial refueling tests. The IL-86 had earlier been disqualified in favor of the Airbus A-330 MRTT but the Airbus bid was turned down following objections from the Indian finance ministry which found the aircraft "too expensive". It is not known was the quoted price was.

Indian media quoting unnamed Airbus officials has reported that Airbus would be resubmitting its bid for the tanker contest. Boeing however has reportedly expressed that its bid would depend upon whether it wins the U.S. aerial tanker bid in which it is engaged in a bitter battle with the U.S. subsidiary of EADS which is fielding the A-330 MRTT.

Airbus' tanker has been ordered by the U.A.E, Saudi Arabia, Portugal and Australian air forces while the Boeing KC-X was unveiled only in mid-2010 and the U.S. tanker contest is its first major bid.

The Il-86 has been an old workhorse for Russia, India and China.

At Aero India 2009, the Il-78 had made a demonstration refueling two aircraft simultaneously. It is quite likely that it may repeat this feat with the LCA Tejus at Aero India 2011.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=14181

 

[Crusader53]

He is in control of the aircraft. They score kills too.

Super Hornet doing the same is not possible. It was not built for High G maneuvers.

LOL


The Super Hornet can pull more G's than any pilot can handle...........

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

i think the best option is gripen ng which is the cheapest fighter after f-16.india is already going for ge-f414 engine for tejas mk-2 so there should not be any problem with gripen engine. the aircraft can supercruise and has a first class aesa radar both of which will be immensely useful for drdo's future projects like fgfa,amca,lca mk2 etc.also since it is a single engine fighter it will have less operational costs.drdo iaf can make make any no. of modification on the gripen as per its mission requirements.also swedes cannot arm-twist us into any kind of restrictions if india decides to go nuclear post 2020.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

i think the best option is gripen ng which is the cheapest fighter after f-16.india is already going for ge-f414 engine for tejas mk-2 so there should not be any problem with gripen engine. the aircraft can supercruise and has a first class aesa radar both of which will be immensely useful for drdo's future projects.

The MMRCA no may decrease coz of induction of MKIs..
Gripen is gud solution as logistics are same as LCA..
Radar will be also of our choice, It can be Israeli AESA..


Though, Rafale is my No 1 Choice..

 

[SpArK]

US to lobby for $11-bn fighter aircraft deal​

Ahead of Aero-India 2011 in Bangalore next month, a high-technology business development trade mission from the US, led by US commerce secretary Gary Locke, is expected to push for US fighter aircraft manufacturers for the $11-bn (medium multi-role combat aircraft) MMRCA deal.
Locke, who would lead the trade mission to India from Feburary 6-11, said the US government views high-technology defence sales as a cornerstone of the US-India strategic partnership.

Six manufacturers, including Boeing F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet, Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon, Lockheed Martin F-16 Block 60, Saab Gripen, and RSK MiG-35, are in race for the $11-billion deal for 126 fighter aircraft for the Indian Air Force (IAF).

The process for the 126 MMRCA, initiated in August 2007, has entered its final phase after IAF carried out the flight and weapons evaluation of the six competing aircraft for what has been described as the 'mother of all deals'.

According to sources in IAF, "Since the technical evaluations are down, the MoD is likely to down select the contenders after the air show, possibly by April. This would decide who goes in for contract negotiations. "

Another source, however, indicates that while there is no fixed number of aircraft for the shortlist, the Offsets liability have yet to be decided and that all six aircraft types could, in theory at least, advance to the contract stage.

It maybe recalled that earlier India was seeking offsets of 30% for defence programmes, but the requirement has been raised to 50% for the MMRCA with plans to create more jobs and transfer of technology.

Over 70 companies applied to participate in the US mission in order to promote US exports of high technology products and services in key economic sectors: civil-nuclear trade, defence and security, civil aviation, and information and communications technology

Advanced technologies, including aerospace, specialised materials, information and communications technologies, electronics and flexible manufacturing systems, underpinned this growth, the department of commerce said.

Overall, US exports to India were $16.4 billion in 2009, making India the 17th largest export market. Exports to India through October 2010 reached approximately $16.1 billion. ...


US to lobby for $11-bn fighter aircraft deal