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NEW DELHI -- India is expected to award an order for 126 fighter jets for its air force by the end of December, Junior Defense Minister M.M. Pallam Raju said Wednesday.
"I am hopeful of awarding it by the end of this year," Mr. Raju said on the sidelines of a defense conference.
India plans to buy the 126 fighter jets estimated at more than $10 billion. Six companies--Lockheed Martin Corp., Boeing Co., Eurofighter Typhoon, Russian Aircraft Corp., Sweden's Saab AB and Dassault Aviation SA--are competing for the contract.
Mr. Raju said field trials by the six fighter jet makers have been completed.
"We have to do the comparative analysis in terms of how the different companies meet their offset obligations before we open the financial bids," the minister said.
Under current rules, foreign companies that receive import orders in excess of 3 billion rupees must draw at least 30% of that order from domestic suppliers or make a similar sized investment within India, in what is known as an offset.
The government has set the offset obligation for the 126-fighter jet contract at 50% of the value of the deal.
MRCA is a joke now after the amount of time these people took. if they decide by 2012 and when would the induction start????
by the time india will get a decent number of squadran say 4 .
it will be all obsolete , and the up gradation will be on the way.
but atleast offical will milk lot of mullah out of it
"I am hopeful of awarding it by the end of this year," Mr. Raju said on the sidelines of a defense conference.
India plans to buy the 126 fighter jets estimated at more than $10 billion. Six companies--Lockheed Martin Corp., Boeing Co., Eurofighter Typhoon, Russian Aircraft Corp., Sweden's Saab AB and Dassault Aviation SA--are competing for the contract.
Mr. Raju said field trials by the six fighter jet makers have been completed.
"We have to do the comparative analysis in terms of how the different companies meet their offset obligations before we open the financial bids," the minister said.
Under current rules, foreign companies that receive import orders in excess of 3 billion rupees must draw at least 30% of that order from domestic suppliers or make a similar sized investment within India, in what is known as an offset.
The government has set the offset obligation for the 126-fighter jet contract at 50% of the value of the deal.
MRCA is a joke now after the amount of time these people took. if they decide by 2012 and when would the induction start????
by the time india will get a decent number of squadran say 4 .
it will be all obsolete , and the up gradation will be on the way.
but atleast offical will milk lot of mullah out of it
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Plz do some research before , posting such remarks.
All MMRCA aircraft other than the American F-16, F-18.
Have yet to be inducted into their respective nations air forces , let alone finish. Testing the required Sub-systems or weapons promised Needed for the MMRCA.
GRipen-NG , Rafael(with AESA) and Mig-35 won't be available till 2013 at the latest.
Eurofighter won't have its CEASAR AESA radar till the end of 2014 at best , there are still question weather it will be available by the time we need them.
Don't even ask about the Metor BVR missile.
To be blunt even if we signed the deal today , unless we bought American we won't have the aircraft till the end of 2014 at the latest.
After the first squadron is Manufactured by the OEM , HAL will build the remaining squadrons domestically in India(though ToT) from 2015 onwards.
We will be inducting well into 2020.
This was all decided long back when the RFI was responded to by interested parties.
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MMRCA jet deliveres moving towards 2015
With a contract signature moving into 2012 after a late 2011 selection followed by exclusive negotiations the delivery of first MMRCA jet won't happen until 2015 as the RFP stipulates a 36 month setup window from contract date.
This news also reveals that India is still in the offset/ToT evaluation phase and has yet to open up the financial bids.
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With a contract signature moving into 2012 after a late 2011 selection followed by exclusive negotiations the delivery of first MMRCA jet won't happen until 2015 as the RFP stipulates a 36 month setup window from contract date.
This news also reveals that India is still in the offset/ToT evaluation phase and has yet to open up the financial bids.
Defensenews:
Note: The Gripen Raven AESA will be ready for production by 2013. Selex expects to deliver the first pre-production model to Saab in Q3-2011.
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china is testing there 5g plane , they will induct it sooner or later . mmrca was mainly for our eastern border .when iaf is facing depleting squadron number. we are busy in policy matter. let us purchase f-18 itself , it is better than nothing
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"Top-Gun" competition.
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The French Fighter Jet That Nobody Wants
The Rafale has cost $53 billion and is the key to France's defense economy, but it's not selling abroad
By Carol Matlack
The Rafale fighter, made by France's Dassault Aviation, is loaded with high-tech avionics, radar, and targeting systems. Now all it needs are customers. France has been peddling the supersonic jet since 2000 and hasn't sold a single one. In the latest setback, Brazil said on Jan. 17 that it would reopen bidding for a fighter contract worth up to $7 billion—a deal France had thought it was close to sealing last year. Neither Dassault nor the French Defense Ministry would comment on Brazil's decision.
The Rafale's plight signals the end of an era for France. With their Mirage fighter program, developed in the 1950s, the French were able to bolster their national defense, promote new technologies, and provide well-paying jobs—while recouping much of the cost by exporting hundreds of jets worldwide. Hoping to duplicate that model, the French government has spent some $53 billion on the Rafale, more than the country's $40 billion annual defense budget. But deal after deal has fallen through, with prospective buyers South Korea, Singapore, and Morocco choosing Boeing's (BA) F-15 and Lockheed Martin's (LMT) F-16 over the Rafale.
Midsize suppliers such as France are being outgunned by bigger competitors. The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, for example, is being developed by a U.S.-led consortium of nine countries that plan to buy more than 2,500 of the planes. That will ensure plenty of revenue from production and upgrades. Britain, Germany, Italy, and Spain have similarly joined forces to produce the new Eurofighter jet. "Nationally driven, nationally financed and controlled production of the most advanced weapons systems is now the exclusive purview of the U.S. and Russia, and in the future, China as well," says Mark Bromley, a senior researcher at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, a Swedish think tank.
Changing global politics has worked against France, too. During the Cold War, France successfully marketed the Mirage as an alternative to U.S. and Soviet planes. Other customers, such as the United Arab Emirates, bought French planes after the U.S. balked at providing high-tech weaponry. Now, though, the U.S. is eagerly seeking sales in the Gulf states. Many foreign governments, in turn, see arms deals as a way to forge closer defense ties with the U.S., says Loïc Tribot La Spière, an analyst at the Center for Studies and Prospective Strategy, a Paris think tank. "The sentiment is, 'We buy American because it assures security,' " he says.
The 93 Rafales produced by Dassault so far have gone to the French armed forces. To sustain production, the government has agreed to spend $1.1 billion on more Rafales over three years, even as it tries to pare budget deficits.
Finding customers will only get harder. As the Joint Strike Fighter enters service, U.S. manufacturers are set to increase their share of the $16 billion-a-year fighter aircraft market over the next decade from nearly 58 percent to more than 67 percent, according to forecasts by the Virginia-based Teal Group aerospace consultancy. Eurofighter and Russian manufacturers will get most of the rest, Teal predicts.
The longer the Rafale order book stays empty, the harder it will be to sell the plane, Teal analyst Richard Aboulafia says. "Customers like to see a home government that is determined to keep spending on buying and upgrading the aircraft" with the latest technology. Instead, he says, the Rafale is on budgetary life support. "That's the last thing you want customers to see."
The bottom line: France's decision to go it alone on its fighter program has cost the country $53 billion, with no export sales to offset the price.
Matlack is a Paris correspondent for Bloomberg Businessweek.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_05/b4213014940717.htm?campaign_id=rss_topStories
The Rafale has cost $53 billion and is the key to France's defense economy, but it's not selling abroad
By Carol Matlack
The Rafale fighter, made by France's Dassault Aviation, is loaded with high-tech avionics, radar, and targeting systems. Now all it needs are customers. France has been peddling the supersonic jet since 2000 and hasn't sold a single one. In the latest setback, Brazil said on Jan. 17 that it would reopen bidding for a fighter contract worth up to $7 billion—a deal France had thought it was close to sealing last year. Neither Dassault nor the French Defense Ministry would comment on Brazil's decision.
The Rafale's plight signals the end of an era for France. With their Mirage fighter program, developed in the 1950s, the French were able to bolster their national defense, promote new technologies, and provide well-paying jobs—while recouping much of the cost by exporting hundreds of jets worldwide. Hoping to duplicate that model, the French government has spent some $53 billion on the Rafale, more than the country's $40 billion annual defense budget. But deal after deal has fallen through, with prospective buyers South Korea, Singapore, and Morocco choosing Boeing's (BA) F-15 and Lockheed Martin's (LMT) F-16 over the Rafale.
Midsize suppliers such as France are being outgunned by bigger competitors. The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, for example, is being developed by a U.S.-led consortium of nine countries that plan to buy more than 2,500 of the planes. That will ensure plenty of revenue from production and upgrades. Britain, Germany, Italy, and Spain have similarly joined forces to produce the new Eurofighter jet. "Nationally driven, nationally financed and controlled production of the most advanced weapons systems is now the exclusive purview of the U.S. and Russia, and in the future, China as well," says Mark Bromley, a senior researcher at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, a Swedish think tank.
Changing global politics has worked against France, too. During the Cold War, France successfully marketed the Mirage as an alternative to U.S. and Soviet planes. Other customers, such as the United Arab Emirates, bought French planes after the U.S. balked at providing high-tech weaponry. Now, though, the U.S. is eagerly seeking sales in the Gulf states. Many foreign governments, in turn, see arms deals as a way to forge closer defense ties with the U.S., says Loïc Tribot La Spière, an analyst at the Center for Studies and Prospective Strategy, a Paris think tank. "The sentiment is, 'We buy American because it assures security,' " he says.
The 93 Rafales produced by Dassault so far have gone to the French armed forces. To sustain production, the government has agreed to spend $1.1 billion on more Rafales over three years, even as it tries to pare budget deficits.
Finding customers will only get harder. As the Joint Strike Fighter enters service, U.S. manufacturers are set to increase their share of the $16 billion-a-year fighter aircraft market over the next decade from nearly 58 percent to more than 67 percent, according to forecasts by the Virginia-based Teal Group aerospace consultancy. Eurofighter and Russian manufacturers will get most of the rest, Teal predicts.
The longer the Rafale order book stays empty, the harder it will be to sell the plane, Teal analyst Richard Aboulafia says. "Customers like to see a home government that is determined to keep spending on buying and upgrading the aircraft" with the latest technology. Instead, he says, the Rafale is on budgetary life support. "That's the last thing you want customers to see."
The bottom line: France's decision to go it alone on its fighter program has cost the country $53 billion, with no export sales to offset the price.
Matlack is a Paris correspondent for Bloomberg Businessweek.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_05/b4213014940717.htm?campaign_id=rss_topStories
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With the issuing of Request For Proposals (RFPs) for the Indian Air Force 126 Multi Role Combat Aircraft imminent - top Russian, American, European and Israeli aviation/defense firms are lobbying hard to win the mega contract.
The fighter jets that are serious contenders are Lockheed Martin's F-16s, Boeing's F-18 Super Hornets and MiG's MiG-35. The Israeli F-16 variant F-16I Soufa is a dark horse in this race. However its chances have increased substantially considering its effectiveness as a complete package which includes Elbit's avionics and weapons systems.
Ministry of Defence sources had confirmed to India Defence (www.india-defence.com) last week that the 'Soufa' was a serious contender in the MRCA race. It was also re-iterated that the entire procurement process will be a fair and open process with the best suited platform being inducted into the Air Force. What is likely to tilt the scales towards any of the bidders will be the avionics, weapons package and the RADAR systems offered along with the fighter jets.
The F-16's come with the AIM-9 Sidewinder, AIM-120 AMRAAM, Python-4 Air to Air Missiles, while having AGM-65 Maverick and AGM-88 HARM systems installed as Air to Ground munitions. The Israeli F-16I Soufa however has an advanced avionics suite including general avionics computer, colour display processors and interfaces all produced by Elbit Systems. The communications systems include a Rafael UHF/VHF radio and an HF radio, Elta satellite communications and an IAI integrated tactical video data link. The navigation system includes a combined ring laser gyro inertial navigation system and global positioning system (RLGINS/GPS) and a digital terrain system. Rafael developed the algorithms for the digital terrain system. The air-to-air missiles will be the short range Python 4 and Python 5 and the short range to beyond visual range radar-guided Derby, both supplied by Rafael.
Boeing's F/A 18's also bring an impressive armory - In addition to an M61A1 20-mm gun mounted inside the nose of the craft, the F/A-18 carries up to 13,700 pounds (6,227 kg) of external ordnance and has nine weapon stations including two wingtip stations for Sidewinders, two outboard wing stations for air-to-air or air-to-ground weapons, two inboard wing stations that can be used for fuel tanks, air-to-air weapons, or air-to-ground weapons, two nacelle fuselage stations for AMRAAMs, Sparrows, or sensor pods, One centerline station for fuel or for air-to-ground weapons.
MiG 35's Armament consists of 1x 30 mm GSh-30-1 cannon with 150 rounds, Eight weapon pylons for R-27, R-60, R-73, R-77, TV and Laser-Guided Air to ground missiles and bombs. One centerline pylon for external fuel tanks(Details to be confirmed), Up to 2000 lbs of bombs (Details to be confirmed) while its avionics package includes just the Phazotron N-109 radar Zhuk AE.
With the intense competition it is certain that the real contract clinchers will be the top-of-the-line armaments and avionics packages made available to the Indian Air Force by the contenders along with, of course, the degree to which they are willing to commit production and development in India under the Defense Off-sets requirement.
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Italian Air Force Takes Delivery of 5 Eurofighter Typhoon Aircraft
Germany: With most companies on Christmas break between Christmas and New Year, it was a welcome surprise to learn that Alenia Aeronautica was busy completing their final aircraft deliveries for the year, exceeding the total planned for 2010.
These last deliveries came in the form of five Eurofighter Typhoon jets that were handed over to the Italian customer on one day.
On the 28th December 2010, Eurofighter Partner Company Alenia Aeronautica signed over IS037, IS039, IS040, IS041, IT011 to the Italian Air Force, bringing the total number of deliveries for the programme in 2010 to 51 – far higher than had been predicted.
This success is yet another impressive indication of the hard work and commitment of the partner companies to meeting and exceeding customer requirements. Throughout the year, the highly skilled Typhoon staff work tirelessly to ensure that each aircraft is safely delivered on time and on schedule. A nice way to end the year.
Eurofighter Typhoon is the world's most advanced new generation real multi-role/swing-role combat aircraft available on the market and has been ordered by six nations (Germany, Italy, Spain, United Kingdom, Austria and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia).
With 707 aircraft under contract, it is Europe's largest military collaborative programme and delivers leading-edge technology, strengthening Europe's aerospace industry in the global competition. More than 100,000 jobs in 400 companies are secured by the programme.
Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug GmbH manages the programme on behalf of the Eurofighter Partner Companies: Alenia Aeronautica/Finmeccanica, BAE Systems, EADS CASA and EADS Deutschland, Europe's foremost aerospace companies with a total turnover of approx. EUR 120 billion (2009).
http://www.defencetalk.com/italian-air-force-takes-delivery-of-5-eurofighter-typhoon-aircraft-31545/
Germany: With most companies on Christmas break between Christmas and New Year, it was a welcome surprise to learn that Alenia Aeronautica was busy completing their final aircraft deliveries for the year, exceeding the total planned for 2010.
These last deliveries came in the form of five Eurofighter Typhoon jets that were handed over to the Italian customer on one day.
On the 28th December 2010, Eurofighter Partner Company Alenia Aeronautica signed over IS037, IS039, IS040, IS041, IT011 to the Italian Air Force, bringing the total number of deliveries for the programme in 2010 to 51 – far higher than had been predicted.
This success is yet another impressive indication of the hard work and commitment of the partner companies to meeting and exceeding customer requirements. Throughout the year, the highly skilled Typhoon staff work tirelessly to ensure that each aircraft is safely delivered on time and on schedule. A nice way to end the year.
Eurofighter Typhoon is the world's most advanced new generation real multi-role/swing-role combat aircraft available on the market and has been ordered by six nations (Germany, Italy, Spain, United Kingdom, Austria and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia).
With 707 aircraft under contract, it is Europe's largest military collaborative programme and delivers leading-edge technology, strengthening Europe's aerospace industry in the global competition. More than 100,000 jobs in 400 companies are secured by the programme.
Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug GmbH manages the programme on behalf of the Eurofighter Partner Companies: Alenia Aeronautica/Finmeccanica, BAE Systems, EADS CASA and EADS Deutschland, Europe's foremost aerospace companies with a total turnover of approx. EUR 120 billion (2009).
http://www.defencetalk.com/italian-air-force-takes-delivery-of-5-eurofighter-typhoon-aircraft-31545/
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ok which among them have best suited to indian interset communication system. and america is offering which one f-16 vipern or f-16 Soufa . such behind the door entry shouldn`t be allowed . this isn`t fare . or its must be allowed to other competitor so that they could also bring their best in the middle of competition . why such favour to america
i think we shouldn`t use any american machine in our offence related equipments. american machines should be used in only defense related equipments
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Yes, you should write to the Ministry of Offense immediately and make your case
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Hell, where's the thanks button? 1 rep for ya.Yes, you should write to the Ministry of Offense immediately and make your case
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to some extent,MRCA indeed has become a joke now.
the project was delayed again and again.
When I returned to one university for a master degree in 2005, MRCA was already discussed hotly as if it were to be finished soon. At that ,J10 was even not open .
Now, Even J20 is open,but MRCA is still on mid-way...
maybe Until J20 comes into service,will not MRCA be finished.
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And, who asked for your expert comments on MMRCA? Moreover, MMRCA is for the eastern sector i.e China, further I am sure we will chose something so advanced that China can't even imagine......As per your J-20 rant, we know what happened to Junk Fighter-17 and whats going on with J-10, first perfect these platforms then talk about 5G!
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badguy for your j20 we have even superior pak-fa, and fgfc , and please dont hype your PLAF ,
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