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maomao

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Guys, when are we upgrading our MiG-29 to SMT standards???? Any News on it????
I think the deals was announced in the Parliament and was signed in 2008, so we can say its WIP (some could have been delivered, can't say for sure). What would be interesting to note would be the cockpit layout i.e would it be old 2000's SMT layout with 2 MFDs or new ergonomics of Mig-29K, because the specifications of the upgrade suggests it would be similar to Mig-29K (specs. wise).
 

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This is OT to this thread - SMT upgrades of Mig-29 are ongoing.
 

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[...] as far as i am concerned one or two shots of six Basic Fighter Manoeuvres (BFM) encounters is a victory for the F-22 but not an overwhelming one. Not like the one we claimed against the Typhoon after combat in Solenzara Corsica during september (9 set-up, 8 to 1 for the rafale) [...]
 

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the super viper is really an Evolution of the Block 60 Which the UAEAF/ADF operates
 

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Has Eurofighter forged ahead in India's MMRCA competition? : Defense news


flurry of reports in the Indian media quoting unnamed sources have pointed out that the Eurofighter Typhoon has forged ahead of the other contenders in India's bid to buy 126 MMRCA fighter jets for an estimated $10 billion.


An expected visit of Britain's Defence Secretary Liam Fox to New Delhi later this month is seen as sales call on the Indian MoD to further hardsell the Eurofighter to India.

While one report said Eurofighter was ahead on technical evaluation by the Indian Air Force, another said Eurofighter and the Dassault Rafale had scored more points than the others in the technical evaluation report submitted to the MoD over three months ago.

However, there is no official word from the MOD and none of the six contenders- Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Eurofighter, MiG, Dassault and SAAB Gripen-have received any communication about the status of their bid. "There is complete silence. We have not heard anything from the MoD after the completion of the flight tests", a senior Gripen Executive said.

The MOD has been sending queries to the IAF on the MMRCA competition in relation to the performance parameters and the latter has been responding to it, according to IAF Chief P.V. Naik who was quoted as saying during a news conference.

Informed sources told Defenseworld.net that the technical evaluation report lists out how each contender fared against specific clauses in the RFP and whether they met the performance parameters as outlined. "At the end of the technical evaluation, there are winners and losers. The winners will be in the shortlist who will be invited for commercial negotiations." "At this time, we don't know which ones will be in the shortlist. While some aircraft may be ahead of others on purely technical parameters, issues such as life cycle costs and offsets could complicate matters in deciding the shortlist", the sources said.
 

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the super viper is really an Evolution of the Block 60 Which the UAEAF/ADF operates
Bro! don't forget what happened with C130J deal.. Its the case of transportation bird and so the critical techs which were removed will not affect operational capabilities... If the same is done for a fighter, the impact will be huge...
 

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@Tomcat

F-16 as an IAF official quoted has not future. block 60 may be good and attractively priced but in the end buying an aircraft that our enemy has mastered in the last 18 years is foolish.

MMRCA deal includes complete technological transfers, collaborations, future upgrades and business ventures which the US has either has lots of conditions or does not agree. They prefer a buyer and seller relation thats all. On top of this they want CIAMOA with India so that they can monitor us. For mmrca its best to show US the finger.
 

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putting all eggs into one basket ?? aready on obama's visit india has given 15 billion in deals, mostly defence and hi tech , now with this one another big deal for the usa ? whatever happened to diversification especially if the product competition is pretty close ?
 

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putting all eggs into one basket ?? aready on obama's visit india has given 15 billion in deals, mostly defence and hi tech , now with this one another big deal for the usa ? whatever happened to diversification especially if the product competition is pretty close ?
Actually all the stuff are perfectly diversified with The huge load of FGFA from Russia, and the other indigenous products. No one right now can provide us with the strategic lift capability that can be provided by the C-17 and the ASuW aircraft like the P-8I. The Military hardware obtained from US does not have any direct impact on the combat capability of the Indian armed forces. Most of our front line combat systems are still of the European and Russian origin.
 

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IF we think practically. We have almost completed LCA and will be starting FGFA and AMCA soon. We are also working on AURA UACV. So 15 years down the line India wont buy any fighters from anyone and will be making its own fighters. Infact 20 years down the line we may be selling fighters to someone.

In such a case mmrca might be the last huge purchase of fighters outside India. PAK Fa also counts. So since its the last purchase of 4.5 gen fighters its better we cancel the cheap solution and go for the best irrespective of the cost. EF and Rafale with technological transfer are the best solution as down the line India will be making its own fighters and collaboration with these giants will be beneficial.
 

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And regarding military research and production capability of Japan . I would love if you can throw some more light on that. what are latest defence project that Japan is carrying on its own?

Actually Japan is doing it's own defense research, including the type 9 MBT, the Mitsubushi ATD-X stealth fighter, and some of the best diesel-electric submarines in the world.
 

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Shortlisting, Shortly


Prospects are increasing that India will sustain four offerings in its $12-billion Medium Multirole Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) program but soon eliminate the MiG-35 and F"‘16IN from the field.

The downselect, which industry officials had widely expected would not take place until after February's Aero India show in Bangalore, could become official as early as next month, program watchers indicate. The actual announcement of the decision, however, is still not expected until after the air show. Remaining in the battle to build at least 126 fighters would be the Saab Gripen, the only single-engine offering, along with the Eurofighter Typhoon, Dassault Rafale and Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet.

It has appeared likely for some time that the MiG-35 would be dropped from the running, and in recent days the F-16I's elimination has also begun to seem inevitable. A drawback of the F-16, according to Indian air force officials, is that Pakistan also operates a version of the fighter. The Indian government has consistently expressed its frustration and irritation at Washington's continued supply of weapons—most notably more F-16s—to Islamabad, weapons India believes only serve to close the conventional military gap between the two countries.



U.S. industry officials insist, however, that while India publicly expresses misgivings about the U.S.-Pakistani relationship, it is quietly less opposed because it sees Washington's involvement as a stabilizing force.

Furthermore, a Lockheed Martin official insists, "we have heard nothing that would suggest the Indian government would eliminate either U.S. competitor from the competition because of U.S. engagement with Pakistan. On the contrary, we are very confident, based on the results of the field evaluation trials, that the F-16IN Super Viper is fully compliant with India's requirements."

Industry observers note that recent opinion pieces in the Indian press, which suggest that the MMRCA competition be scrapped and replaced with a purchase of 200 Lockheed Martin F-35As, could indicate that the company is already looking beyond the competition. The F-35 is not in play for the air force requirement, although both the F-35C and the F-35B are officially on offer to the Indian navy.

Speculation in India has put the Eurofighter and Rafale ahead in the bidding, but Indian air force officials dismiss that. Moreover, the Gripen and F/A-18E/F have an edge in terms of price, which may be gaining greater weight in the selection process.

The Gripen appears to have found indirect support from the government. The director of the Indian government's official air power think tank says the Gripen suits the service's requirements best. In a recent column, Air Commo.Jasjit Singh writes: "The choice that comes closest to the 'medium' multirole aircraft that the [Indian air force] has been seeking since a decade ago is the [Indian version of the Gripen NG]."

A great deal of political diplomacy to push through a deal—as well as furious back-channel lobbying—will undoubtedly occur in the next few months. Following the visit by U.S. President Barack Obama last week, the heads of state of Russia and France are scheduled to be hosted by New Delhi soon. Indian air force chief Air Chief Marshal PV Naik has indicated that the government will make a type selection by July, although a decision could come closer to the end of 2011.







http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?topicName=Check6&id=news/awst/2010/11/22/AW_11_22_2010_p35-270656.xml&headline=Shortlisting,%20Shortly&channel=&from=topicalreports
 

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The Eurofighter Typhoon consortium will offer India the technical blueprint of the jet in a bid to land a 7 billion pound ($11 billion) contract to supply 126 aircraft to the country's air force, the London-based Sunday Times reported.

U.K. Defense Secretary Liam Fox will visit India this week to bolster the bid, the newspaper said.

To contact the reporter on this story: Thomas Biesheuvel in London at [email protected].

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...ter-blueprint-in-contract-bid-times-says.html
 

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Shortlisting, Shortly


Prospects are increasing that India will sustain four offerings in its $12-billion Medium Multirole Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) program but soon eliminate the MiG-35 and F"‘16IN from the field.

The downselect, which industry officials had widely expected would not take place until after February's Aero India show in Bangalore, could become official as early as next month, program watchers indicate. The actual announcement of the decision, however, is still not expected until after the air show. Remaining in the battle to build at least 126 fighters would be the Saab Gripen, the only single-engine offering, along with the Eurofighter Typhoon, Dassault Rafale and Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet.

It has appeared likely for some time that the MiG-35 would be dropped from the running, and in recent days the F-16I's elimination has also begun to seem inevitable. A drawback of the F-16, according to Indian air force officials, is that Pakistan also operates a version of the fighter. The Indian government has consistently expressed its frustration and irritation at Washington's continued supply of weapons—most notably more F-16s—to Islamabad, weapons India believes only serve to close the conventional military gap between the two countries.



U.S. industry officials insist, however, that while India publicly expresses misgivings about the U.S.-Pakistani relationship, it is quietly less opposed because it sees Washington's involvement as a stabilizing force.

Furthermore, a Lockheed Martin official insists, "we have heard nothing that would suggest the Indian government would eliminate either U.S. competitor from the competition because of U.S. engagement with Pakistan. On the contrary, we are very confident, based on the results of the field evaluation trials, that the F-16IN Super Viper is fully compliant with India's requirements."

Industry observers note that recent opinion pieces in the Indian press, which suggest that the MMRCA competition be scrapped and replaced with a purchase of 200 Lockheed Martin F-35As, could indicate that the company is already looking beyond the competition. The F-35 is not in play for the air force requirement, although both the F-35C and the F-35B are officially on offer to the Indian navy.

Speculation in India has put the Eurofighter and Rafale ahead in the bidding, but Indian air force officials dismiss that. Moreover, the Gripen and F/A-18E/F have an edge in terms of price, which may be gaining greater weight in the selection process.

The Gripen appears to have found indirect support from the government. The director of the Indian government's official air power think tank says the Gripen suits the service's requirements best. In a recent column, Air Commo.Jasjit Singh writes: "The choice that comes closest to the 'medium' multirole aircraft that the [Indian air force] has been seeking since a decade ago is the [Indian version of the Gripen NG]."

A great deal of political diplomacy to push through a deal—as well as furious back-channel lobbying—will undoubtedly occur in the next few months. Following the visit by U.S. President Barack Obama last week, the heads of state of Russia and France are scheduled to be hosted by New Delhi soon. Indian air force chief Air Chief Marshal PV Naik has indicated that the government will make a type selection by July, although a decision could come closer to the end of 2011.







http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?topicName=Check6&id=news/awst/2010/11/22/AW_11_22_2010_p35-270656.xml&headline=Shortlisting,%20Shortly&channel=&from=topicalreports
:emot15::emot15: indian government supporting grippen what would india gain by buying grripen nothing
 

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Britain to discuss Eurofighter bid for IAF deal
London: The Eurofighter Typhoon consortium is to offer India the technological blueprint of its jets in a bid to secure a whopping 7.1-billion-pound contract to sell 126 combat aircraft to the Indian Air Force.

Britain's Defence Secretary Liam Fox will take up the issue with Indian authorities in Delhi in the next couple of days during his visit there.

According to 'The Sunday Times', Fox's meetings with Defence Minister AK Antony tomorrow and on Tuesday will mark another chapter in the intense lobbying of the Indian government for the 7.1 billion-pound contract.

Fox's visit, the first of a British defence secretary in six years, has been described as "pivotal" as the debate on the jet deal shifts from a technical to a more political phase.

The Typhoon received a boost in the race for the biggest defence deal in India's history after it was ranked in the top two of the Indian Air Force's technical trials of all six bidding aircraft, which included America's F-16 and F-18 and Sweden's Gripen, the paper said.

The report quoted Andrew Gallagher, chief executive of BAE Systems India, as saying that the deal being offered toIndia would bring New Delhi in as a full "fifth partner", including the transfer of full technical sovereignty, access to computer source codes and the objective of making the entire aircraft in Indian factories.

Fox will be followed over the next couple of months by Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and French leader Nicolas Sarkozy.

They will be pushing Delhi to opt, respectively, for MiG-35 and Dassault Aviation's Rafale when the decision is made next year, the report said.

PTI
http://www.zeenews.com/news669536.html
 

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India Offered Eurofighter Blueprint in Contract Bid, Times Says

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...ter-blueprint-in-contract-bid-times-says.html

India Offered Eurofighter Blueprint in Contract Bid, London-based Sunday Times Says

By Thomas Biesheuvel

The Eurofighter Typhoon consortium will offer India the technical blueprint of the jet in a bid to land a 7 billion pound ($11 billion) contract to supply 126 aircraft to the country's air force, the London-based Sunday Times reported.

U.K. Defense Secretary Liam Fox will visit India this week to bolster the bid, the newspaper said.



Britain to discuss Eurofighter bid for IAF deal

London: The Eurofighter Typhoon consortium is to offer India the technological blueprint of its jets in a bid to secure a whopping 7.1-billion-pound contract to sell 126 combat aircraft to the Indian Air Force.

Britain's Defence Secretary Liam Fox will take up the issue with Indian authorities in Delhi in the next couple of days during his visit there.

According to 'The Sunday Times', Fox's meetings with Defence Minister AK Antony tomorrow and on Tuesday will mark another chapter in the intense lobbying of the Indian government for the 7.1 billion-pound contract.

Fox's visit, the first of a British defence secretary in six years, has been described as "pivotal" as the debate on the jet deal shifts from a technical to a more political phase.

The Typhoon received a boost in the race for the biggest defence deal in India's history after it was ranked in the top two of the Indian Air Force's technical trials of all six bidding aircraft, which included America's F-16 and F-18 and Sweden's Gripen, the paper said.

The report quoted Andrew Gallagher, chief executive of BAE Systems India, as saying that the deal being offered toIndia would bring New Delhi in as a full "fifth partner", including the transfer of full technical sovereignty, access to computer source codes and the objective of making the entire aircraft in Indian factories.

Fox will be followed over the next couple of months by Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and French leader Nicolas Sarkozy.

They will be pushing Delhi to opt, respectively, for MiG-35 and Dassault Aviation's Rafale when the decision is made next year, the report said.

http://www.zeenews.com/news669536.html
 
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