Main Battle Tanks and Armour Technology

If Tanks have to evolve, which path they should follow?

  • Light Vehicles-Best for mobility

    Votes: 25 7.3%
  • Heavy Armour-Can take heavy punishment.

    Votes: 57 16.7%
  • Modular Design-Allowing dynamic adaptions.

    Votes: 198 58.1%
  • Universal Platform-Best for logistics.

    Votes: 61 17.9%

  • Total voters
    341

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The Arjun price tag of Rs 16 Crore is a 2005 figure, not the latest 2010 figure and it was unit costs. The T-90 price tag was for an operational tank in 2008 and was the program cost.
the first lot of Arjun was 14+ crore not 16 crore.

Army has placed an indent for manufacture of 124 Tanks at a cost of Rs. 1760 Crore in March 2000. As on 31st March 2007, HVF has made an expenditure of Rs. 1270.82 Crore against this indent. Five Tanks have already been handed over to Army in 2005. (MOD India Press Release). Some of the advantages of Arjun are denoted as follows:-

* Firing accuracy of Arjun MBT was far superior to T-90s or T-72s, can engage targets at 2500 meters.
* Production model of Arjun MBT costs Rs 16.80 to 17.20 crore per system.
* Indigenous Gunner's Main Sight (IGMS) enables the crew of the tank to engage targets under static and dynamic conditions by day and night with enhanced hit probability.
* Heavy Vehicle Factory (HVF) to produce 50 tanks a year from 2009 onwards.
http://www.security-risks.com/index.php?file=show_keyissue&kid=72

they may be costing 16 crore now but still less than T-90!!

The Arjun price tag was for a tank with just chassis, engine and tracks, also FCS. It did not take into consideration cost of ammo, spares and cost of communication equipment and some other electronics like Night Vision. The T-90 price tag is for everything, ammo, electronics, training, spares and other lifecycle costs.
any supporting source??

Remember that the T-90 we are inducting is a completely finished model except APS. The Arjun was not finished at the time of signing the second and third contract.
surprising to hear that. precisely why Ajai shukla came up with this article -

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2010/02/t-90-tank-piercing-armys-armour-of.html

and debunked false claims.

as a matter of fact 11 YEARS post induction many issues like the thermals (needing AC), 840 hp engine (wrongly advertised as 1000hp), no APU, no APS still remain.
 

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T90S engine cannot produced 1,000 hp in thar summer. It is around 850 hp in summer. I heard as per OEM is it is somewhere near to 850 hp not 1000 hp as mentioned.
san, you are right.

The present T90s with Indian army are equipped with 1000hp engines..
sir, that is a false claim. it is supposedly 1000hp but gives only 846/910 hp as per the russians only!!! here

http://cdm.ap.nic.in/casestudies/casevol362/Induction of tank T90s.pdf

point 4 on page 23.

it also lists how the a tank engine failed only after 1037kms!!!

also an old article but relevant still -

The Russians have claimed that the T-90 engine generates 1,000 horse power (HP), which fits the requirements of the Indian Army. During field trials in India, it was found that the engine was getting overheated and the tanks lacked the power to negotiate the desert terrain.

The technical people, especially from the EME and DGQA, were surprised to find the horse power rating of the engine not conforming to the specifications. The Russians, it is said, tried to mislead the trial team, persisting with their claim that the engi ne was generating 1,000 HP.

When the technicians tested the engine more than once it was found to generate only 840 HP. The Russians, however, assured the trial team that the engine brought for trials would not be the one fitted on to the tanks meant for India. Instead, they would put in the engine with 1,000 HP. This was just a verbal assurance.

On this mere undertaking, India finalised the contract. When the technicians protested against such a procedure they were apparently informed that before the despatch of the engine, the technical team could visit Russia and do a pre-despatch inspection a t the factory to satisfy themselves.
http://www.hinduonnet.com/businessline/2001/02/02/stories/040255ku.htm

also it says how the flawed T-90 was inducted into the army while they put every obstacle they could to stall Arjun, a clearly superior tank by design and parameters.
 

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the fact that these tanks were shown to no less than Mr. Putin does add value to what Igor says. isn't it?? now i leave it to you to judge whether it can be termed official or not. Indian officials view do not matter because they are not collaborators in T-90, just customers.
We dont know what was in the T-90M Putin saw. The new autoloader and gun is a new development. We are not getting it because we are not opting for it. The T-90 we are getting is better than anything PA can field anyway.

are you suggesting there are 2 or more versions of T-90M?? does not sound right.
T-90M is a recent development, the designation may or may not be right. It is a media designation and not official. What Igor may be talking about is the final version of a T-90M prototype while ours will be different.

What we are getting is the Kaktus ERA, and Kanchan armour(forgot about this Singhji) and a modified gun to fire DU rounds. Arjun Mk2 will be the only equivalent to it. Arjun's armour and gun are still weaker than the T-90.

how come just adding an ERA can be termed as T-90M then?? it will be still T-90S with Kaktus.. that's all.
Why not? Also I forgot about Kanchan. T-90M has a different armour compared to T-90S. There are rumours of a new 1200HP engine too.

T-90S rounds penetration to defeat enemy is weak due to better armour in the modern tanks. reason why they are going for better and longer rods and that is why they need a better auto loader to fire those which also means changes to turret. seems plausible to me.
Fortunately, we will be using the T-90 against old T-72s and inferior T-80s. What we have is more than enough for the subcontinent. Also, the T-90 has a more modern gun. Lets see what Arjun Mk2 has to offer.

The T-90M is still far superior to the Arjun in protection and armour. It is cheaper to operate and fits our current doctrine without major changes. Spares and supply will be managed within India itself and will have our own armour on it.

In 2 years, the T-90Ms will be modified to fire DRDO's ammunition which further reduces cost of induction. Also, the electronics will evolve as our industry matures.
 

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they may be costing 16 crore now but still less than T-90!!
Sorry. But the T-90s price tag is for the complete package.

any supporting source??
When a minister delivers a speech in the Parliament he gives the cost of the entire program and not unit costs. Unit costs don't matter much when it comes to bureaucracy. Unit costs comes into the picture during war times when we are producing 1000s of tanks every year.

The costs always includes lifecyle costs and like ammo. The costs will also include if any extra guns and engines were purchased. This is the cost of everything India paid for a tank.

Arjun's 16crores now is not program costs. It is the cost of one fully upgraded tank made by DRDO. it does not include lifecycle and support costs and definitely not includes ammo.

as a matter of fact 11 YEARS post induction many issues like the thermals (needing AC), 840 hp engine (wrongly advertised as 1000hp), no APU, no APS still remain.
IA never asked for a APU on the T-90, at the same time Arjun does not have ERA, a more significant limiting factor. APS is a recent development, nobody except the Israelis and Russians have a finished product. We are still evaluating APS for T-90(maybe LEDS-150) and Arjun also does not carry the DRDO APS since it is also not ready.

The T-90 has the 1000hp engine and will supposedly be uprated to a 1200 HP(not sure, but could be true). AC maybe the reason why we are going for an engine upgrade. This is the first time our tank crews will fight in comfort, be happy for them. If Arjun goes for an AC, the program costs will increase much more and also the current engine will not be able to handle it.
 

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The present T90s with Indian army are equipped with 1000hp engines..
That was not true. Everything written by manufacture or indian fanboys is not be true. Find the below-
T-90 tanks from Russia -- Another strange deal?

Kuldip Nayar

TO WRITE anything about the T-90 is like flogging a dead horse. Right from its inception the deal has generated more controversy than any other Defence contract. Several questions remain unanswered, such as the replacement of the aging Vijayanta tanks.

Pakistan's acquisition of T-84 from Ukraine has made India's modernisation of its fleet of tanks all the more necessary. Thus, the Government's decision to acquire the T-90s from Russia is welcome. But the deal, for some reason, has, it is felt, been str uck without proper field trials in India. One cannot make out what compelled New Delhi to do so. Some T-90 tanks were flown in from Russia and tried but found wanting. I shall come to that later but more baffling is the appointment of a one-man committee , headed by Lt Gen S. S. Mehta. The Deputy Chief of Army Staff was made solely responsible for selecting the tanks and giving his assessment report on field trials. Now he has been appointed chairman.

Despite 90-odd meetings between Moscow and New Delhi, the deal continued to stay at relatively lower level. It never went to the top echelons of the government, where the disputes that arose could have been sorted out. It is evident that there is more to it than meets the eye. Perhaps, some technical issues have been overlooked to serve vested interests. Accusing fingers are pointed at some politicians as well. This charge cannot easily be brushed aside as the tanks are vital to the country's defence an d security.

The Russians have claimed that the T-90 engine generates 1,000 horse power (HP), which fits the requirements of the Indian Army. During field trials in India, it was found that the engine was getting overheated and the tanks lacked the power to negotiate the desert terrain.

The technical people, especially from the EME and DGQA, were surprised to find the horse power rating of the engine not conforming to the specifications. The Russians, it is said, tried to mislead the trial team, persisting with their claim that the engi ne was generating 1,000 HP.

When the technicians tested the engine more than once it was found to generate only 840 HP. The Russians, however, assured the trial team that the engine brought for trials would not be the one fitted on to the tanks meant for India. Instead, they would put in the engine with 1,000 HP. This was just a verbal assurance.

On this mere undertaking, India finalised the contract. When the technicians protested against such a procedure they were apparently informed that before the despatch of the engine, the technical team could visit Russia and do a pre-despatch inspection a t the factory to satisfy themselves.

In other words, the Russians would mount the 1,000 HP engine on the tanks meant for India. If the engine does not produce 1,000 HP, and if there is a doubt about its performance, why should India go for such contracts? The Army would like to test the tan ks in Indian conditions, and it has strict norms for that.

Traditionally, demonstration of equipment is done only in the selling country. But the field trial takes place in the buying country. This means the final trial of the tanks or its components should have been done in India. New Delhi should not have acce pted the assurances by Moscow because the contract has serious financial ramifications.

Never before has such a deal been struck. A case in point is the signing of the fire control system contract SUV-72 and SUV-55 with Yugoslavia in 1987. After the contract was signed and the advance paid, the political situation in Yugoslavia deteriorated so much that the contract had to be abandoned.

This meant the loss of the advance paid. When this example is applied to the T-90 tanks, it means that the advance has been paid to Moscow on the understanding that the engine would generate 1,000 HP -- that too, after the trials in the country of origin .

What happens if the pre-despatch inspection fails? In any case, the true test of engine capability will be known only after it is mounted on a tank and tested in Indian conditions. It is, therefore, the Government's responsibility to avoid being lured in to a contract that is not foolproof. Equally, it would be more prudent to have the 1,000 HP tank trials in India in summer, before the contract is implemented.

The story about spares for the T-72 tanks is no less dubious. This battle-tank has been with us for 20 years. But the countries from which we acquire spares for them do not produce the tank.

Then there is the case of transfer of technology. All the drawings are lying in New Delhi, with the Russian text untranslated. The Government depends on some vague part numbers, which keep changing. It does not get anything it really requires. The excheq uer is put to great loss. Allegedly, wrong or spurious parts are supplied, and paid for at an inflated price.

There are charges that we are upgrading our 130mm guns to 150mm, and giving the order to Solton. The ordnance factory in Kanpur has developed prototypes that have been tested at Balasore. Why is the contract not given to the Kanpur factory? Are all these factories going to be converted into another NTC, where we pay the wages, maintain the establishment at great cost and get no work done? That, I think, is another area affecting our security because, if we have a war lasting 15-20 days or more, and if w e do not get the spares, how are we going to fight?

Looking back, it seems that most of our Defence deals have question marks against them. Either there are compromises on specifications or wrong purchases have been made. The T-90 tank deal evokes such fears.


http://www.hinduonnet.com/businessline/2001/02/02/stories/040255ku.htm
I have heard it several occassions in Bharta Raksak, even somebody has pasted the test result conducted earier aroun 2000, forget
 
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Kunal is there some reservation about the Arjun having 4 crew members while the T 90 has 3 crew members.
T-72/90 have auto-loader that's the reason it is with 3 crew, Arjun offer manual loader which required 4 men crew..
T-72/90 Auto-loader depend on maintenance for better rate of fire, If its not maintained properly it may resulting in low rate of fire and even multifunction..
Beside Arjun offer luxury of space inside it where as in T-72/90 you cant even move your head properly..
Russian never offered much crew comfort in their t-tanks..
 

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This is a report of 2001-5, All the claims made here are old and after 2005 Arjun was updated with Israeli electronics and FCS was updated with Israeli collaboration..
Beside most of the claims are false now and if needed more info you can see my previous posts..
 

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Sorry. But the T-90s price tag is for the complete package.
surprising that coming from an informed and respected poster like you. domain-b and Business standard both claim T-90 cost to be 17 and 17.5 crore respectively. no denial from either GOI or IA!!!!

infact in reply to some one, Ajai claims - defence minister's statement to parliament putting the cost of T-90 as 17.6 crore!!!! Ajai is one of the very few respected defence journos we have. you think he is bluffing that too on DM's statement?? it is in the comments section of this article -

Regarding the cost of the T-90, maybe you should read the Defence Minister's statements to parliament. He has announced that the T-90 costs 17.6 crores. So, for the same price as a 40-tonne tank, you are now getting a 60-tonne tank.
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2010/04/army-to-order-more-arjun-tanks.html

When a minister delivers a speech in the Parliament he gives the cost of the entire program and not unit costs.
can you show me that speech??

The costs always includes lifecyle costs and like ammo. The costs will also include if any extra guns and engines were purchased. This is the cost of everything India paid for a tank.
life cycle cost?? FYI, OFB is toying with changing the barrel on T-90!! after having done the same with T-72!!

ammos, are indian DRDO designed OFB produced. also some israeli ones too IMO. Kunal Biswas has given details too in his post.

i would be happy if you give me a source for your assertion that the cost is inclusive of ammo/life cycle cost/extra engines/guns.

Arjun's 16crores now is not program costs. It is the cost of one fully upgraded tank made by DRDO. it does not include lifecycle and support costs and definitely not includes ammo.
of course arjun's cost does not include programme cost. that is why DRDO was asking 500 tank buy from IA for them to break even. as for the rest like ammo life cycle cost etc.. it is the same route as T-90.

IA never asked for a APU on the T-90,
not surprising they don't ask for APU while they ask for everything to be on and proven to them when it comes to Arjun!!! we are used to it.

at the same time Arjun does not have ERA, a more significant limiting factor.
Arjun does not need an ERA as it sports composite Kanchan armour. Arjun has an option for ERA, if the army wants, which will not affect its mobility because of its reserve power unlike T-90.

funny thing is T-90 has Kanchan Armour now considering they make such noise about DRDO. it is not surprising why Russians want RHINEMETAL ARMOUR PLATES as per forum talk!!!

APS is a recent development, nobody except the Israelis and Russians have a finished product. We are still evaluating APS for T-90(maybe LEDS-150)
APS is recent development?? Drozd, Shtora was there when T-90's came to india!!! surprising IA did not want it. another issue Ajai shukla unravelled!!

and Arjun also does not carry the DRDO APS since it is also not ready.
Arjun's APS is already tested successfully but why do the army need it anyway when they don't want it for T-90 - their favourite tank??

The T-90 has the 1000hp engine and will supposedly be uprated to a 1200 HP(not sure, but could be true). AC maybe the reason why we are going for an engine upgrade. This is the first time our tank crews will fight in comfort, be happy for them.
why would i be not happy about my soldier?? i am asking better things for them!!!

however where will they draw power for the AC till the supposed 1200 HP engine is realised?? with no APU too, the point is moot.

If Arjun goes for an AC, the program costs will increase much more and also the current engine will not be able to handle it.
Arjun has hardened electronics. it does need an AC. even for crew comfort if army asks for it, the engine has enough reserve power to take care whereas T-90 is already underpowered with an 840hp engine which will affect the basic mobility!! with a POWER/WEIGHT ratio of 18+ compared to 24+ of Arjun!!

besides Arjun's cost is no more or less than a T-90, so an add on wont increase it's cost beyond T-90's cost.
 

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isnt Arjun 10 tons more than T-90S , doesnt that allows to carry better engine and armour and electronics than T-90?
 

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isnt Arjun 10 tons more than T-90S , doesnt that allows to carry better engine and armour and electronics than T-90?
Arjun is heavily armored more than T-90s,
Further Arjun models will be updated with ERA,
Arjun weight is just 60 tons with ERA,
Its 1400hp engine proved its reliability during recent test. Also Arjun deign have better ground pressure than T-90 means it have better grip on ground than T-90.. ( Previously briefed on my post )
 

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The Arjun price tag of Rs 16 Crore is a 2005 figure, not the latest 2010 figure and it was unit costs. The T-90 price tag was for an operational tank in 2008 and was the program cost.

Latest figure is same as it was in 2005 as their are no upgrades to the tank, However, it is important to know that MBT Arjun had a cost of Rs 17.20 crore per system from the production line
http://frontierindia.net/indian-mod-outlines-roadmap-for-mbt-arjun-mark-ii-in-pipeline

The cost of each T-90 for the Russian budget was estimated to be around 35mln RUB (USD1.3mln at the time) in 2005 and is quickly growing (ostensibly mostly due to the big increases in the costs of raw materials). In 2006 the price was 42mln RUB (USD1.6mln at the time) and in 2007 - already 58mln RUB (USD2.3mln at the time)

http://fofanov.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/MBT/t-90.html
Which also effected on export models like Indian T-90S, Each T-90S cost more than +2.3 million..

The Arjun price tag was for a tank with just chassis, engine and tracks, also FCS. It did not take into consideration cost of ammo, spares and cost of communication equipment and some other electronics like Night Vision.
Arjun use thermal not NV, and its included with turret, gun, ammo too..
Besides Arjun and T-90/72 use DRDO made rounds..
Above note also clarify the same thing..
http://frontierindia.net/indian-mod-outlines-roadmap-for-mbt-arjun-mark-ii-in-pipeline
 
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well i have read almost all the post on this thread , can anyone please in detail explain how is Arjun better than T-90S and will Arjun MkII still be better than T-90M ?
 

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We dont know what was in the T-90M Putin saw. The new autoloader and gun is a new development.
may be.

We are not getting it because we are not opting for it.
obvious isn't it?? how can we opt when it is not even ready?? besides it means extensive changes involving both time and money - exact reasons they have accused drdo of - on Arjun!! what would IA answer the GOI and the public at large?? particularly when Arjun has proven itself!!

The T-90 we are getting is better than anything PA can field anyway.
i have given atleast 2 links in the past in the relevant thread which says what Pakistan got was actually T-84 (Ukranian name for uprated T-80UD) with 1200hp engine/shtora/apu/same armour as T-90 and rounds...

The T-84 Main Battle Tank was publicly presented in United Arabian Emirates in 1995 during international armament exhibition. The new tank called interest in the Pakistan Army and after a long negotiations there was made an agreement to sell 320 T-84 Main Battle Tanks for Pakistan.
http://www.enemyforces.net/tanks/t84.htm

compare that to our T-90's!! and you know where we stand!! even if there is confusion regards this T-84, if i were IA, i will look at the worst case scenario and prepare accordingly.

besides just because Pakistan has inferior tank (which it is not) does not justify our having a superior tank. does it??

T-90M is a recent development, the designation may or may not be right. It is a media designation and not official. What Igor may be talking about is the final version of a T-90M prototype while ours will be different.
you can chose to beleive what you want. i gave my links.

What we are getting is the Kaktus ERA, and Kanchan armour(forgot about this Singhji) and a modified gun to fire DU rounds. Arjun Mk2 will be the only equivalent to it. Arjun's armour and gun are still weaker than the T-90.
Arjun Mark 2 specs are not even out. how can you say what you just said??

can you also elaborate on the modification wrt DU rounds and when india got/getting these rounds..

Why not? Also I forgot about Kanchan. T-90M has a different armour compared to T-90S.
kanchan armour!!! great. speaks volumes of DRDO!!! am happy. also speaks of the status wrt russian armour!! amazing.

There are rumours of a new 1200HP engine too.
1200 hp engine means extra money IA/GOI will have to shell out on a tank which already costs more than Arjun!!

Fortunately, we will be using the T-90 against old T-72s and inferior T-80s. What we have is more than enough for the subcontinent.
answered above.

Also, the T-90 has a more modern gun. Lets see what Arjun Mk2 has to offer.
any source please??

The T-90M is still far superior to the Arjun in protection and armour. It is cheaper to operate and fits our current doctrine without major changes.
i assume you are referring to the one with only the KAKTUS on T-90S. fact of the matter is Arjun can have an ERA and will still have enough power not to lose out on mobility unlike T-90 with a crap 840hp engine will have question marks over its basic mobility!!!

cheaper versus winner argument wrt doctrinal changes IMO. lets agree to disagree.

Spares and supply will be managed within India itself and will have our own armour on it.
exact reasons why people like me are batting for Arjun!! besides helping indians - of jobs, self reliance and freedom from foreign arm twist - it gives the army, a superior choice..

In 2 years, the T-90Ms will be modified to fire DRDO's ammunition which further reduces cost of induction.
T-90S already fires indian ordinance. how does it need to be modified in 2 yrs by DRDO?? as you said the only difference being KAKTUS ERA??
 

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the trials which IA did where Arjun and T-90S took part was purely to determine which tank is better or was it to determine the role of Arjun in IA ?
 

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obvious isn't it?? how can we opt when it is not even ready?? besides it means extensive changes involving both time and money - exact reasons they have accused drdo of - on Arjun!! what would IA answer the GOI and the public at large?? particularly when Arjun has proven itself!!
Arjun should have proven itself in 2000, not in 2008. It was 8 years too late in trying to prove itself.

i have given atleast 2 links in the past in the relevant thread which says what Pakistan got was actually T-84 (Ukranian name for uprated T-80UD) with 1200hp engine/shtora/apu/same armour as T-90 and rounds...

compare that to our T-90's!! and you know where we stand!! even if there is confusion regards this T-84, if i were IA, i will look at the worst case scenario and prepare accordingly.
The engine is impressive but its armour is not. It is still not as good as the T-90. All tanks in the subcontinent, including Arjun are pea shooters compared to the T-90M.

besides just because Pakistan has inferior tank (which it is not) does not justify our having a superior tank. does it??
The deployment rate of the T-90 is faster than the Arjun. We don't want superior armour, we want superior speed in deployment. The Pakistanis are already ahead of us in this aspect, why else do you think army is so keen on employing Gunship helis.

you can chose to beleive what you want. i gave my links.
I had already said this before. Arjun is late. You don't go back on your contract just because a competitor is giving you a weaker tank for more cost(Arjun).

Arjun Mark 2 specs are not even out. how can you say what you just said??
You just need to go out and read a bit more than Shiv's blog. The T-90s guns is superior to the Arjun and everybody knows the Kanchan+Kaktus combo will give us the best protected tank in the subcontinent.

can you also elaborate on the modification wrt DU rounds and when india got/getting these rounds..
We have the ability to make our own.

kanchan armour!!! great. speaks volumes of DRDO!!! am happy. also speaks of the status wrt russian armour!! amazing.
We have not received ToT on the Russian armour. So we are going ahead with our own. Army is happy with the Kanchan armour and have expressed that. But they are not happy with the late latif Arjun.

1200 p engine means extra money IA/GOI will have to shell out on a tank which already costs more than Arjun!!
Livefist is playing you. DRDO will not reveal the program cost of the Arjun so quickly. What we heard in parliament was the program cost for the T-90 while what we know about Arjun is the unit cost.

answered above.
Giving a T-80 a bigger engine does not mean they will get through the T-90M that easily.

any source please??
Just check the specs and figure it out yourself.

i assume you are referring to the one with only the KAKTUS on T-90S. fact of the matter is Arjun can have an ERA and will still have enough power not to lose out on mobility unlike T-90 with a crap 840hp engine will have question marks over its basic mobility!!!
T-90 has a 1000hp engine and may have a 1200 hp engine.

cheaper versus winner argument wrt doctrinal changes IMO. lets agree to disagree.
Everything matters when you buy a tank.

exact reasons why people like me are batting for Arjun!! besides helping indians - of jobs, self reliance and freedom from foreign arm twist - it gives the army, a superior choice..

T-90s will be made here, so jobs, self reliance is taken care of. Arm twisting from Russia is a rare occurrence and they have stopped doing it since the last 2 decades after the split. We are the arm twisters now.

T-90S already fires indian ordinance. how does it need to be modified in 2 yrs by DRDO?? as you said the only difference being KAKTUS ERA??
That was the last nail in Arjuns coffins. If DRDO is making ordinance for T-90 then its over. Look forward to the Arjun Mk2 and hope it is even slightly better than the T-90M. Arjun is passe.
 

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The deployment rate of the T-90 is faster than the Arjun. We don't want superior armour, we want superior speed in deployment
Good point not to mention the additional cost of logistics, and time it takes to move a 58ton tank when most of the sensitive borders in india is in high altitutes or in urban environments where size does not count for any thing as they cannot move in narrow spaces DRDo should just forget bout arjun and concentrate on developing tech. for mk2
 

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http://www.army-technology.com/news/news75850.html
The Indian Army will conduct a comparative trial between the indigenous Arjun tank and the new Russian T-90 main battle tank in the desert expanses around Bikaner, Suratgarh and Pokhran in March 2010.

During the month-long trials, a squadron of 14 Arjun tanks will be evaluated against a T-90 squadron, testing their abilities to move through rugged, sand-dune terrain while firing accurately in motion according to India's Business Standard.

In addition, their abilities to operate for long periods over long distances and the fatigue they impose on their crews will also be compared.

The result of the comparative trial could decide if the Indian Army will use indigenous tanks in future battles or continue to use the fleet of Russian T-72 tanks.

According to the army, the trial is not aimed at identifying the better tank, but at evaluating the strengths and weaknesses of the Arjun tank in an effort to help the army decide what operational role the Arjun could play, and which sector of the border it could effectively operate in.

The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), the developer of the Arjun tank, assumes the army will be forced to order the Indian tank in larger numbers in case if it performs well against the T-90.

In addition, Arjuns could start replacing the current fleet of T-72, while the T-90 remains in service for another three decades.

A senior DRDO officer said the army knows that the T-72 would have performed very poorly in trials against the Arjun.

"Despite that, the army continues to sink money into its 2,400 outdated T-72s. Any comparative trial with the T-72 would make it clear that the Arjun should replace the T-72," the officer said.

Arjun has entered the production line at the heavy vehicles factory near Chennai, which has already equipped India's first Arjun unit, 43 Armoured Regiment, while a second unit, 75 Armoured Regiment, is being converted to the Arjun.

The ultimate outcome of the trials will help the army decide whether to acquire more Arjuns or to stop the programme at just 124 tanks.
 

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Thats old news. Trials are over and Arjun was victorious in every field. Infact army has placed additional order of 124 tanks.
 

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