Main Battle Tanks and Armour Technology

If Tanks have to evolve, which path they should follow?

  • Light Vehicles-Best for mobility

    Votes: 14 4.9%
  • Heavy Armour-Can take heavy punishment.

    Votes: 48 17.0%
  • Modular Design-Allowing dynamic adaptions.

    Votes: 166 58.7%
  • Universal Platform-Best for logistics.

    Votes: 55 19.4%

  • Total voters
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140mm APFSDS next to 120mm one. medium and light tanks days are numbered.
There is a limit to how much you can push even with ERA. Heavy MBT are the only one surviving tank on tank battle or anything in future. So the notion that tank weight need to be kept low in 50 tonne range is just pure fantasy. Even armata is 55 tonne with ammo and will require armour upgrade to it's gun turret, increasing weight further up.
 

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Leclerc with 140mm gun will be a beast , it to will require a new engine.
Challenger 2 is a 65 tons MBT with 1200hp engine.
Leclerc is 56 tons with 1500hp engine. Even a 140 gun add only a couple of tons (2 or 3 max).
 

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Nexter claimed 70% increase in performance. Muzzle velocity would probably be upward of 2500 m/s. Upcoming Franco-German MBT will be a game changer and will dominate Europe decades to come.
Russian's will have to build that 152mm gun or they are a done deal.
Yes for 70% more performance, No for 2500m/s. The max speed possible with powder is under 2000m/s.
The increase in performance came from the higher kinetic energy due to heavier sparrow.
 

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Yes for 70% more performance, No for 2500m/s. The max speed possible with powder is under 2000m/s.
The increase in performance came from the higher kinetic energy due to heavier sparrow.
But armata gun has managed 2050 m/s in trials how ? Could it be using ETC technology ?
 

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Challenger 2 is a 65 tons MBT with 1200hp engine.
Leclerc is 56 tons with 1500hp engine. Even a 140 gun add only a couple of tons (2 or 3 max).
Challenger is better suited for such a big gun than leclerc though. Engine probably to get a upgrade in challenger.
 

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Challenger is better suited for such a big gun than leclerc though. Engine probably to get a upgrade in challenger.
Why better suited.
Terminator (the 140mm Leclerc) is a reality.
130mm Challenger is a paper work.
 

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2050, 2000.... same thing. 2500m/s is another challenge. As for now not possible with powder.
ETC technology based ammo can achieve that muzzle velocity even higher with powder alone . Who knows it's already secretly in use.
 

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Lol. Didn't know this origin story.
 

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U.S. State Department approves possible $2.2 billion arms sale to Taiwan
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. State Department has approved the possible sale to Taiwan of M1A2T Abrams tanks, Stinger missiles and related equipment at an estimated value of $2.2 billion, the Pentagon said on Monday, despite Chinese criticism of the deal.

China’s foreign ministry expressed anger about the sale and urged the United States to revoke it. The timing is especially sensitive as the Washington and Beijing are seeking to resolve a bitter trade war.

The Pentagon's Defense Security Cooperation Agency said in a statement the sale of the weapons requested by Taiwan, including 108 General Dynamics Corp GD.N M1A2T Abrams tanks and 250 Stinger missiles, would not alter the basic military balance in the region.

DSCA notified Congress on Monday of the possible arms sale, which it said could also include mounted machine guns, ammunition, Hercules armored vehicles for recovering inoperative tanks, heavy equipment transporters and related support.

Reuters reported last month that an informal notification of the proposed sale had been sent to the U.S. Congress.


The United States has no formal ties with self-ruled and democratic Taiwan but is bound by law to help provide it with the means to defend itself.

The United States is the main arms supplier to Taiwan, which China deems a wayward province. Beijing has never renounced the use of force to bring the island under its control.

Speaking in Beijing on Tuesday, Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said U.S. arms sales to Taiwan were a serious violation of international law and a “crude interference in China’s internal affairs, harming China’s sovereignty and security interests.”

“China is strongly dissatisfied and firmly opposed to this and has already made stern representations to the US side,” Geng told a daily news briefing.
 

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Iraq Purchases 73 T-90 Tank Variants From Russia
Iraq has signed a deal with Russian Uralvagonzavod for the purchase of 73 T-90 main battle tanks (MBT).

Iraq currently operates, M1A1M Abrams purchased from US and Russian made T-72А/M and T-55 tanks.

The Iraqi Ministry of Defense confirmed the signing of the deal after lengthy negotiations with the Russian military officials.

Russia will also supply 64 T-90S/SK tanks to Vietnam this year.

T-90S is an export variant of T-90 third generation MBT. It has modern fire control system, steel and composite armor and is capable of fighting in all weather conditions. The MBT can also provide unit control and communication with command posts and can act in unit formations.
 

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Egypt continues to produce locally M1A1 Abrams main battle tanks
The Egyptian Ministry of Defense continues to produce locally M1A1 Abrams main battle tanks with the collaboration of American Company General Dynamics. Pictures were released on Internet, on August 24, 2019, showing M1A1 Abrams main battle tanks 95 percent manufactured in Egypt.

The M1A1 is a third-generation of American main battle tank that has been produced in Egypt since 1992. The main components the M1A21 are manufactured locally including the hull, the turret, and ammunition. The M1A1 Abrams is the backbone of the Egyptian army.

On October 25, 2011, Egypt and the United States celebrated the resumption of co-production of M1A1 Abrams Tanks at a ceremony held at the Egyptian Tank Plant outside of Cairo. The manufacturing of M1A1s in Egypt is a key part of ongoing U.S. support for Egypt’s crucial role as a factor of security and stability in the region. Through this program, the Tank Plant provides jobs for over 2500 Egyptians and supports the capacity of the Egyptian Armed Forces to defend the country.

Since the beginning of the M1A1 Co-production Program, a joint venture between the governments of the United States and Egypt to produce parts and assemble tank kits for the M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank (MBT), the Egyptian Defense Company Tank Plant has produced around 1,200 M1A1 Abrams main battle tank in Egypt.

The first version of the M1 Abrams was armed with one 105mm cannon, while the M1A1 is armed with one 120 mm smoothbore M256 armament equipped with a muzzle reference system to measure the bend of the gun tube. The main cannon of the Egyptian M1A1 is also produced license in Egypt.

The M1A1 Abrams has a crew of four, including the driver, commander, gunner and loader. The driver is seated at the front of the vehicle in the center while the three other crew members are located in the turret. The commander and gunner are seated on the right of the turret and the loader on the left.

The hull and turret of the M1A1 is of advanced armor construction similar to the Chobham armor developed in the UK and gives protection against ATGWs (Anti-Tank Guided Weapons) and standard ammunition. The 120mm of the M1A1 Abrams MBT can fired a various types of ammunition, as the M829A1 APFSDS-T ammunition (kinetic energy round with long rod penetrator, made of depleted uranium, with a muzzle velocity of 1,575 m/sec, and a maximum effective range of 3,500 meters, but engagement ranges approaching 4,000 meters were successfully demonstrated during Operation Desert Storm).
 

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Vietnam Orders Russian T-90 Tanks
Vietnam has ordered 64 Russian T-90S/SK main battle tanks with an estimated price tag of $250 million.

The order comes amidst growing focus placed on the country's air force and navy as Vietnam's security planners pay ever-increasing attention to China's actions in nearby waters, Forecast International reported Monday.

The Vietnam People's Army operates a mix of Soviet-designed main battle tanks, most of which were acquired from different countries producing variants under licensed agreement such as Poland (T-72s) and China (T-59s).

But besides the aforementioned T-72s the vast bulk of the Army's tank inventory is mothballed and obsolete. The T-90S tanks are likely to be used as replacements for the aging T-55s, few of which remain operational.
 

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