Main Battle Tanks and Armour Technology

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

now here is capability of polish defence industry ! They are not even close to india in most of sector lik missiles, navy, air force . Just some one or two army equipment and that's all

 

[Damian]

You ridiculed his command of a language not native to him despite you not having best of proficiency skills around. You got called out for it, not because you are foreigner, but because you acted like a dick. Now apologise.

Well I say more, he is just stupid, look at his posts, even my dogs have higher IQ than this moron.

Oh and he starts trolling and flamebaiting.

Do you really want to defend such pathetic creature?

I will not apologize such thing, he does not deserve to be treated equaly.

 

[Twinblade]

Well I say more, he is just stupid, look at his posts, even my dogs have higher IQ than this moron.

Oh and he starts trolling and flamebaiting.

Do you really want to defend such pathetic creature?

I will not apologize such thing, he does not deserve to be treated equaly.

Put him on ignore and walk away. Or entertain him like the rest of the posters here entertain the Polska Stronk crowd

I am gonna step back and enjoy the endless stream of Polska lulz in this thread

 

[Damian]

Put him on ignore and walk away. Or entertain him like the rest of the posters here entertain the Polska Stronk crowd

Good idea.

As for "Polska Stronk", oh I think you completely as most people here, misunderstand our posts. I do not write that my country is some sort of superpower. However in technical expertize we are preaty good, and we can prove it, as we do through this thread.

Sure we might not have nuclear weapons, nuclear submarines or aircraft carriers (for christ sake, why we would even want them, where we would use them? On Baltic sea?!), but in many other fields, we actually have better designs than nations in theory having greater GDP than we have.

I show some of them, small arms, artillery systems, medium tracked armored vehicles projects, some types of anti aircraft systems. Neither any of my opponents presented anything even comparable designed in India, and this is the point. You like to consider yourselfs as some sort of superpower, and to consider yourselfs as better than others in everything, but when confronted in facts, foreigners are mostly attacked because they proven "India stronk" team wrong.

 

[cobra commando]

Instead of MBT&AT, this thread is now looking like the DFIs official "My daddy Stronker" cause he's got x y z and blah blah thread !

 

[Damian]

Then give me something serious to discuss, anything really. As I recognize you are one of very few people here that actually have some knowledge about armaments and are serious.

 

[Santu]

Moderators, Please warn them.. it's going out of control.. Please dont make comment on things related to countries n their capabilities ....

 

[ghost]

Then give me something serious to discuss, anything really. As I recognize you are one of very few people here that actually have some knowledge about armaments and are serious.

Here you go,please make some good use of ur knowledge herehttp://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-army/58105-drdo-multical-rifle-unveiled-17.html

 

[Damian]

Ok back to topic.

US Army will replace M113 with new family of specialized vehicles based on M2A3 infantry fighting vehicle chassis. This will improve logistics, survivability and other capabilities of soldiers. Also Armored Brigades of US Army will then use only two types of armored vehicles.

Heavy vehicles will be based on common components of M1 MBT with specialized variants like M1 ABV, M1 JAB, M104 HAB and M88A2 ARV with old components replaced with new ones from M1 MBT.

Medium vehicls will be based on M2A3 IFV chassis, with above presented specialized variants, also new M109A7 SPH uses chassis based on M2A3.

USMC will also share commonality with US Army Armored Brigades, as they also use M1 MBT Family of Vehicles, and their AAV7A1 amphibious APC's share the same suspension, transmission and engine with M2A3 IFV Family of Vehicles.

 

[militarysta]

now here is capability of polish defence industry ! They are not even close to india in most of sector lik missiles, navy, air force . Just some one or two army equipment and that's all

But small polish industry for medium europeean country (small in any aspecti in compare whit India) is able to produce SUCESFULLY and in short time (in compare whit India) many weapons sytem:
small arms, artillery systems, medium tracked armored vehicles projects, some types of anti aircraft systems. Neither any of my opponents presented anything even comparable designed in India, and this is the point.

new born baby ,poland is nowhere

Before being rude just check how looks polish REGINA program, and how looks Indian Army artielry programs.
In fact they are really weak in compare to the REGINA.

About REGINA:
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...y-regina-program-modernization-artillery.html

 

[Damian]

Ok, just stop, all of you, enough of this.

 

[methos]

I do not know about the above statements. However I made the last statement and it is true. The Pakistani Al-Khalida tank is a complete 100% Chinese production being passed off as joint venture. It is a complete copycat and believe me its turret will fall off during the first trial only.

Your logic is flawed. Because something is made in India it does not have to be good, just like this something made in China does not have to be bad. In Europe most people consider "Made in China" as a label for low quality, but at the same time they consider "Made in India" as a label for low quality.

Indigenous production doesn't make a product good. Is a Tata Motors car better than a VW or a BMW (which are also produced in China for the Asian market)? No, it is much worse.

The Al-Khalid is not a tank of which most/all parts are made in Pakistan (just as the Arjun requries some key technologies from the West, as previously mentioned). But that does not make it a bad tank. It has better turret geometry, which still has lower safe angles than Russian or NATO tanks, but it does not have the bad sight placement and the large gun mantlet of the Arjun.
The 125 mm gun (which was made using blank tubes made in France) supports comparatively high pressures and has a full suite of modern ammunition available. The engine used is an Ukranian one, but the MTU engine in Arjun is an outdated "monkey model", because the Indian laws/requirements for importing technology for the Arjun are stupid.

List of mountains of the Alps above 3000 m - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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himalaya way higher than alps , so don't give an example of alps

Himalaya is higher than the Alps, and the Pacific is at some places deeper than the Atlantic. Still ships which swim in the Atlantic very well, will do so in the Pacific too. The Andes are pretty much as high as the Himalaya and still the Leopard 2 does well in them.

Proud of these old junks ??? Holy Shit...

It is more advanced than most of stuff in service with the Indian army.

Instead of MBT&AT, this thread is now looking like the DFIs official "My daddy Stronker" cause he's got x y z and blah blah thread !

This has happend various times in this thread before with different countries (China, US, Russia, etc.).

 

[Twinblade]

As for "Polska Stronk", oh I think you completely as most people here, misunderstand our posts. I do not write that my country is some sort of superpower. However in technical expertize we are preaty good, and we can prove it, as we do through this thread.

I show some of them, small arms,

One half decent AKM in 5.56 NATO whose entire production run was less than INSAS exports.

artillery systems

One modernised BM-21/RM-70 built for 122 mm rocket because designing a new system in 227 mm in use in most NATO countries is out of reach of the technical expertise of Poland. One 120 mm breach loading mortar system and a 155 mm artillery gun barely made in double digits despite years of being in production. Compare that the the production rate of prototypes of Dhanush artillery system which has delivered more guns in the last one year just for testing and you will realise that it will take 5 years for the Polish industry, just to supply prototypes to Indian army for testing if it had to. Also, no surface to surface guided munitions, none whatsoever.

, medium tracked armored vehicles projects

Please, save yourself the embarrassment and google the variants of BMP-2 in that have come out of India. right from SAM launchers to NBC vehicles, tracked mortar, C&C hub, 3 different families of unmanned ground vehicles, amphibious tank hunter killers armed with 3rd generation anti tank missiles that can keep up with mechanised infantry in plains criss crossed with canals and take out enemy armour, where the lightning speed offered by amphibious BMP-2 cannot be matched by tanks. Once you have done that, google the Abhay IFV project that was converted into a tech demonstrator for FICV project that will result in a competitive face off between 4 different tracked IFV designs that will be proper replacement for BMP-2, including all derivatives of BMP-2, all sourcing their technologies from the Abhay IFV TD. Then google Kestrel, again amphibious, wheeled IFV that is designed for 16 different variants, again a child of the Abhay IFV project and already into testing. You would then realise why India is not willing to compromise neither on the 'amphibious' part nor at the 'protection' part at any cost. Compare that to the scope of Polish IFVs and then you can come back to me.

some types of anti aircraft systems.

I laughed. No, seriously, I laughed. You had the audacity to compare vehicle launched GROM and a cancelled anti air gun project with any of Indian SAM projects ? You know, a country with its own BMD program and AESA radars ? Please come back to me when poland has anything close to the tri-service Trishul SAM system, completed and abandoned because it was not good enough for the future. One common SAM system for sea skimmers, short range ground launched SAM and highly mobile quick reaction SAM. Merely by undertaking the Trishul project, India has designed Barak-8 LRSAM interceptors (again both ship launched and ground launched) and is mating the back end of Trishul with VL-MICA for Tri-service Maitri SAM.

Also FYI, DRDO made an anti aircraft gun way back in the 90s and army changed the SQR 10 times in 9 years everytime the gun was delivered as per revised SQR after which DRDO walked away from the project. Army went for global procurement, people got busted taking bribes and they are now back for asking for indigenous product.

Neither any of my opponents presented anything even comparable designed in India, and this is the point. You like to consider yourselfs as some sort of superpower, and to consider yourselfs as better than others in everything, but when confronted in facts, foreigners are mostly attacked because they proven "India stronk" team wrong.

Get over your victim complex, Polska stronk crew are ridiculed here precisely for the reasons stated above. One of the Polska Stronk crew tried to compare Polish C3 systems and UAVs with Indian projects. You know, a country with it's own military satellites dedicated just for C4I, it's own navigation system, special mission aircrafts precisely for that, it's own BMS spread across the spectrum of systems, armed UAV projects, independent data link standards and what not.

BTW, Indian defence budget is merely 4 times the Polish budget and forces 20 times as large, yet Poland cannot even make 1/8th the weapon systems India makes (no SAM, no ships, no subs, no aircraft, no modern missiles and munitions, no modern radars, no sonars, no modern sensors, no EW systems), so contrary to what you guys thing your uber stronk technically stronk industry is seriously underperforming as far as your GDP is concerned

I am out of this thread, I'll let others have fun with the Polska Stronk crew

 

[Dazzler]

I do not know about the above statements. However I made the last statement and it is true. The Pakistani Al-Khalida tank is a complete 100% Chinese production being passed off as joint venture. It is a complete copycat and believe me its turret will fall off during the first trial only.

ironic, you know little to nothing at all. Project P-90 a.k.a Type-90IIM is a joint venture between heavy industries taxila and China North industries. More than 400 are in service as of 2014. Chinese MBT 2000 and pakistani alkhalid are vastly different tanks having a superficial external similarity.

 

[militarysta]

One half decent AKM in 5.56 NATO whose entire production run was less than INSAS exports.

1)
And this 5,56mm Beryl was introduced in mass level in to polish army:
Number of Beryl and Mini Beryl in Polish Army is counted as 35 000.
Small?
Remember that whole Polish Army is :
Land Forces: 46 000 troops (tottal: 60 000)
Air Forces: 16 500 troops (tottal: 25 400)
Navy: 8000 troops (tottal: 10 100)
Special Forces: 2500 troops (tottal ?)

All: 73 000 soilders from tottal number circa 95 000 -100 000 in miliyary service.

So in fact 35 000 Beryl in Army means: 1/2 "soilders" (operators?) whit new Rifle, or 1/3 wholer Army whit new rifle.

2)
Those INSAS rifle system was stopped in october 2013 by your own army - and IA dont want more INSAS couse it's obvious quality problems and underdeveloped. Two decades of developmend and conflickt between yours IA and manufacurer and army said "enought".
So yes - "greate sucess" two decades wasted on rifle whit far from perfect quality and whit some
defects.

One modernised BM-21/RM-70 built for 122 mm rocket because designing a new system in 227 mm in use in most NATO countries is out of reach of the technical expertise of Poland. One 120 mm breach loading mortar system and a 155 mm artillery gun barely made in double digits despite years of being in production. Compare that the the production rate of prototypes of Dhanush artillery system which has delivered more guns in the last one year just for testing and you will realise that it will take 5 years for the Polish industry, just to supply prototypes to Indian army for testing if it had to. Also, no surface to surface guided munitions, none whatsoever.

And stack of BS.
1) Polish WR-2000 Langusta (122mm) was bought in this caliber to use hundret tousands produced rocket, what more polish industry developed 122mm rocket whit sevral types of ammo and extendend range:
http://www.pho.pl/cms/att/sprzetuslugi/57_mesko_feniks_en.pdf
+ 58km range version.
2) in current "Homar" project (Lobster) there is requirement for ATACMS intorduce to polish army. 227mm is secondary option. Mostly as GMLRS.
And yes, there was no nececery to introduce to army 227mm MLRS while hundrets of 122mm MLRS was redy. Now "Lobster" (Homar) project is mostly generated by requirement ATACMS part.
3)
There is imposible to compare Polish 155mm SPH Krab (Crab) and 120mm self proppeled motar Rak (Cancer) couse both are redy to production or in polish army and thre is no redy sucht indian project after decades of devlopmned. In fact indian industry faild here in compare to polish analogues.

Also, no surface to surface guided munitions

ROTFL,
no, no at all:
Amunicja Precyzyjnego Rażenia (APR) (Precision Ammunition Destruction?) for motars (120mm APR) and howitzer (155 APR)

APR 120 lenght: 800mm, weight: 16,8kg, max range up to: 8000m
APR 120:

APR 155 lenght: 1250mm, weight up to: 48kg (HE inside no less then 8kg), max range up to 20km.
APR 155:

Please, save yourself the embarrassment and google the variants of BMP-2 in that have come out of India. right from SAM launchers to NBC vehicles, tracked mortar, C&C hub, 3 different families of unmanned ground vehicles, amphibious tank hunter killers armed with 3rd generation anti tank missiles that can keep up with mechanised infantry in plains criss crossed with canals and take out enemy armour, where the lightning speed offered by amphibious BMP-2 cannot be matched by tanks. Once you have done that, google the Abhay IFV project that was converted into a tech demonstrator for FICV project that will result in a competitive face off between 4 different tracked IFV designs that will be proper replacement for BMP-2, including all derivatives of BMP-2, all sourcing their technologies from the Abhay IFV TD. Then google Kestrel, again amphibious, wheeled IFV that is designed for 16 different variants, again a child of the Abhay IFV project and already into testing. You would then realise why India is not willing to compromise neither on the 'amphibious' part nor at the 'protection' part at any cost. Compare that to the scope of Polish IFVs and then you can come back to me.

ROTFL again
BMP-2 BMP-2 BMP-2
russian TOT couse unable IA to developed themself IFV on that level.
Abhay?
ROTFL twice couse after DECADES of developing it's still not redy:
Mr. M Natarajan, appointed chief of the DRDO in August 2004, working on the Abhay, the ICV. Speaking after being formally appointed, he saaid: "The Abhay is under development. We see it as the future infantry combat vehicle for the Army. It will be a replacement for the Russian made BMPs that the Army has. It should be ready in two years." he said.

I laughed. No, seriously, I laughed. You had the audacity to compare vehicle launched GROM

Since when Indian Industry is able to poduce MANPADS themself?
Or rather not.
Any combat test for indian MANPADS?
No?
Oh, and polish GROM shoot down a few russian planes in 2008...

and a cancelled anti air gun project with any of Indian SAM projects ? You know, a country with its own BMD program and AESA

"indian SAM" how proud name for TOTALLY FOREGIN TOT for support indian industry.
Israeli BMD
western AESA to.

Btw: in Poland AESA radar was developed in circa 1999
http://banqan.republika.pl/devices/devices_trc20.html

historia_zakladu

Trishul SAM system, completed and abandoned because it was

becouse it was next exampe of faild indian project after hoples decades of developmend whit biger or smaller wester part.

not good enough for the future. One common SAM system for sea skimmers, short range ground launched SAM and highly mobile quick reaction SAM. Merely by undertaking the Trishul project, India has designed Barak-8 LRSAM interceptors (again both ship launched and ground launched) and is mating the back end of Trishul with VL-MICA for Tri-service Maitri SAM.

And so?
Oh so proud, while Poland is choosing between PAC-3, MEAD or Aster-30 for polish "vistula" program when more then 60% will be produce in Poland.

tried to compare Polish C3 systems and UAVs with Indian projects. You know, a country with it's own military satellites dedicated just for C4I, it's own navigation system, special mission aircrafts precisely for that, it's own BMS spread across the spectrum of systems, armed UAV projects, independent data link standards and what not.

And in compare polish C3 and C4IS systems are used in Poland since circa 8 yers. And they are polish production, not licenced.
What more polish BMS system where export to Sweeden or USA...

(no SAM,

exept GROM MANPADS, exept vistula program whit MEAD/PATRIOT PAC-3 or ASTER-30/ exept middel range, exept BÅ‚yskawica (Lighting) program...
exept this all BS procured by you lack of konowleges about polish industry projects...

no modern missiles and munitions,

angain - not true.

BTW: polish army is user RBS-15MK.3 and NSM

no modern radars

BUAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA
Poland was exporter and how-know donor in radar technology for your own country!
read in english, as example how little you know:
Radar systems | Bumar Elektronika

, no sonars,

rotfl -again not true

no EW systems),

TRIPLE ROTFL:

On-Board RF Emitters Reconnaissance Station PRP-25 | Bumar Elektronika
etc

 

[Peter]

ironic, you know little to nothing at all. Project P-90 a.k.a Type-90IIM is a joint venture between heavy industries taxila and China North industries. More than 400 are in service as of 2014. Chinese MBT 2000 and pakistani alkhalid are vastly different tanks having a superficial external similarity.

As I have said before I will say this again, your gazi Paki tank is nothing but a cheap copycat which has been developed by the Chinese. It can never compete with Arjun.

 

[Twinblade]

1)
And this 5,56mm Beryl was introduced in mass level in to polish army:
Number of Beryl and Mini Beryl in Polish Army is counted as 35 000.
Small?
Remember that whole Polish Army is :
Land Forces: 46 000 troops (tottal: 60 000)
Air Forces: 16 500 troops (tottal: 25 400)
Navy: 8000 troops (tottal: 10 100)
Special Forces: 2500 troops (tottal ?)

All: 73 000 soilders from tottal number circa 95 000 -100 000 in miliyary service.

In effect less than the number of INSAS that were exported. The irony is lost on you my friend.

And stack of BS.
1) Polish WR-2000 Langusta (122mm) was bought in this caliber to use hundret tousands produced rocket, what more polish industry developed 122mm rocket whit sevral types of ammo and extendend range:
http://www.pho.pl/cms/att/sprzetuslugi/57_mesko_feniks_en.pdf
+ 58km range version.
2) in current "Homar" project (Lobster) there is requirement for ATACMS intorduce to polish army. 227mm is secondary option. Mostly as GMLRS.
And yes, there was no nececery to introduce to army 227mm MLRS while hundrets of 122mm MLRS was redy. Now "Lobster" (Homar) project is mostly generated by requirement ATACMS part.

Bahahahahha, Polant cannot into non 122 mm rockeds. Polant moternise olt grad-21 rocket and call it the pinnacle of polska atillyery.

3)
There is imposible to compare Polish 155mm SPH Krab (Crab) and 120mm self proppeled motar Rak (Cancer) couse both are redy to production or in polish army and thre is no redy sucht indian project after decades of devlopmned. In fact indian industry faild here in compare to polish analogues.

Polska intustry so stronk it took 10 years to cerdify Krap howitzer. Polska intustry so stronk it took 5 years to deliver 10 units. Weak indien OFB provite 1 howitzer every month for testing. Intien intustry so savege it's howitzer neetet only 3 years for testing. Polant Stronk !!

ROTFL,
no, no at all:
Amunicja Precyzyjnego Rażenia (APR) (Precision Ammunition Destruction?) for motars (120mm APR) and howitzer (155 APR)

APR 120 lenght: 800mm, weight: 16,8kg, max range up to: 8000m
APR 120:
http://www.defence24.pl/uploads/images/26b4a0ab1cc7e56db6c0f16342014644.JPG[IMG]
APR 155 lenght: 1250mm, weight up to: 48kg (HE inside no less then 8kg), max range up to 20km.
APR 155:
[IMG]http://www.defence24.pl/uploads/images/41ead80c0db3e92053a491bc182b8c03.jpg[IMG]

[/QUOTE]

Polska so stronk, polant guitet munidion sdill rely on INS navigadion. Polska cannot into GPS/LASER/IIR guitet munition. Indiens still rely on ancient GPS/Laser/IIR guitet munitions to back up their thirt world INS navigation, nod komparable to zuperior Polska guitet munitions. :troll:


[QUOTE]ROTFL again
BMP-2 BMP-2 BMP-2
russian TOT couse unable IA to developed themself IFV on that level.
Abhay?
ROTFL twice couse after DECADES of developing it's still not redy:
[i]Mr. M Natarajan, appointed chief of the DRDO in August 2004, working on the Abhay, the ICV. Speaking after being formally appointed, he saaid: "The Abhay is under development. We see it as the future infantry combat vehicle for the Army. It will be a replacement for the Russian made BMPs that the Army has. It should be ready in two years." he said.[/i][/QUOTE]

Polska votka very stronk. Polska votka leave permanent brain damage. Polska cannot into read. Polska cannot into google. Polska not realise Abhay changed into [B]Tech Demonstrator for FICV[/B]. Polska not know what WhaP Kestrel is. Polska cannot into google Muntra family of unmanned vehicles and Namica. Polska cannot google into FICV. Polska not realise all Abhay technologies will be open to all FICV contenders to see who can come up with a better IFV using the technologies from Abhay or brink their own technologies according to their design needs while using [B]Abhay as a benchmark for performance[/B].



[QUOTE]Since when Indian Industry is able to poduce MANPADS themself?
Or rather not.
Any combat test for indian MANPADS?
No?
Oh, and polish GROM shoot down a few russian planes in 2008... [/QUOTE]

Intien intustry so weak it can make BMD interceptyors but kannot make mapats. Indien intustry make laser guitet manpat proposal and related technology. Intien user wandet IIR (not zimply IR guitet like GROM), Intien manpat atopded into anti-tank laser guided weapon CLGM.

[QUOTE]
"indian SAM" how proud name for TOTALLY FOREGIN TOT for support indian industry.
Israeli BMD
western AESA to.[/QUOTE]

Polska not realise that other than IAI detection and tracking radar and Thales fire control radar, rest of the system is Indian, right down to the dual mode (Radar + IIR ) seeker, while polska celebrate its manpads. Intien BMD so phoren that it replaced original Russian radar guided seekers with dual mode radar + IIR guided seekers and make home grown interceptors and command and control.

[QUOTE]Btw: in Poland AESA radar was developed in circa 1999
[url]http://banqan.republika.pl/devices/devices_trc20.html[/url]
[IMG]http://banqan.republika.pl/devices/images/stacje/trc20_3.jpg[IMG]
[IMG]http://banqan.republika.pl/devices/images/stacje/trc20_1.jpg[IMG]

[url=http://zt.wel.wat.edu.pl/historia_zakladu.htm]historia_zakladu[/url][/QUOTE]


Polska STRONK so redart that it confuses 4 sided PESA for AESA :troll:


[QUOTE]And so?
Oh so proud, while Poland is choosing between PAC-3, MEAD or Aster-30 for polish "vistula" program when more then 60% will be produce in Poland. [/QUOTE]

Polant first bitches of sovyets. Polant now bitches of NATO. Polska very stronk.

[QUOTE]And in compare polish C3 and C4IS systems are used in Poland since circa 8 yers. And they are polish production, not licenced.
What more polish BMS system where export to Sweeden or USA... [/QUOTE]

In short Polskatard not know anythink about Intien C3 and C4I systems

[QUOTE]exept one shitty manpad, exept import, exept import, exept one shitty SA- upgrade program.
[/QUOTE]

Fixed that for you my friend.

[QUOTE]You know more about polish defence industry than I do about one single indian defence project.[/QUOTE]

Fixed that for you my friend and gratitude accepted in advance :troll:



[QUOTE]BTW: polish army is user RBS-15MK.3 and NSM [/QUOTE]

Proud Polska inventions :) (if and only if Polant gets so stronk it annexes all of yurope)


[QUOTE]BUAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA
Poland was exporter and how-know donor in radar technology for your own country!
read in english, as example how little you know:
[url=http://www.bumar.com/elektronika/en/offer/radiolocation-systems/]Radar systems | Bumar Elektronika[/url]


rotfl -again not true :)


TRIPLE ROTFL:

[url=http://www.bumar.com/elektronika/en/offer/radiolocation-systems/on-board-rf-emitters-reconnaissance-station-prp-25m/]On-Board RF Emitters Reconnaissance Station PRP-25 | Bumar Elektronika[/url]
etc[/QUOTE]

Polant know how so awesome that it comes to Intien Intustry to co-develop ratars. Polska make TRS-17 and TRS-19 ratar with 120 target capacity, savege thirt world indiens make Rohini 3d-CAR with 150 target tracking capacity and very stronk ECCM protection. Evereyboty knows Polska 120 > Indien 150. Intien so savage that they successfully finished and put into service about a dozen PESA radars since then with about a dozen AESA radars (not polska stantart AESA :troll:) entering service between 2012-2017. Polska teknology uber alles.

 

[pmaitra]

In 1948 war with Pakistan Indians put Tanks on the Zozila pass...

Stuart tanks. Hardly comparable with Arjun or even T-90. We even lifted AMX light tanks to Ladakh during Sino-India war. Light tanks will do. We already have BMPs deployed in Ladakh.

The Leopard 2 is used by all Scandinavian countries, by most Alp countries, and by Chile. It does an excellent job in high altitude mountains.
If you cannot use an Leopard 2, then a T-90 will also not be of much use.

It is important to know the terrain where these Leopards are supposed to operate. I cannot visualize Leopards fighting tank battles on the top of the Andes. Happy to be corrected.

On this forum a lot of people have claimed that. Furthermore in the last two days in this topic, it has been claimed that the Arjun would be better than the T-90, it would be better than everything the Polish tank industry could offer and that it's Kanchan armour would be the best armour of all third generation tanks. It has been claimed that the Arjun would do better in mud than the M1A1 and that the Arjun would be an example of a good indigenous tank program.
It has been claimed that the Arjun would be better than those "Paki tanks" and the current Chinese tanks.

Arjun is better than T-90 for Indian conditions. Hashed, re-hashed, re-re-hashed, many times over.

There has been no proper evaluation to compare whose armour is better, so all those claims are merely speculation. A counter claim would also be speculation.

Coming to operating in mud, let's compare ground pressure of the two tanks.
The best ground pressure for M1A1 variant is 13.8 Psi = 0.97 kgf/cm[SUP]2[/SUP].
Arjun Mark I has a round pressure of 0.84 kgf/cm[SUP]2[/SUP].
So, that claim is correct, and you have no point.

Finally, if anyone said that Arjun is better than Pakistani tanks or Chinese tanks, it is again, speculation, and I might add, jingoism.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

@pmaitra sir, an add to your point , arjun lighter than m1a1
.
arjun is 58 ton tank and m1a1 is a 60 ton tank
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arjun_(tank)
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M1 Abrams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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.
During trials, the Arjun
showcased its fording capability, by
driving under 1.8 metres of water for
20 minutes.[again source is wikipedia, ]

 

[Damian]

Depends whish M1A1.

Basic M1A1 weighted around 57 metric tons, M1A1HA with Heavy Armor Package weighted around 60 metric tons, the two newest variants M1A1SA and M1A1FEP weight 63,1 metric tons just like M1A2SEP.