Damian whole thing is not about Lidsky, but You and your extremlly rude kind of discussion here. And nothing explain beeing so rude and writing about "slaves" "uneducated prick." "idiots" etc.
And rudness, agrression and anger dosen't make your argument's better. In fact it's a sign of weenes in discussion not strenght.
I really do not care about other people opinion about me, this does not matter, it becomes rather strange when You do care about others opinion.
And again think what peoples for other countres think about Poland on polish peoples when they red your post. Im personnaly shamed when im reading your posts here!
If someone base his opinions about nation after talking with single representative of this nation, he is definetly idiot.
I'am difficult, I admit it, and I do not care if other people see me as asshole, I prefer to be an asshole who knows about what he is talking than a nice guy who is vulnerable to manipulation.
But we should back to the discussion.
The another interesting fact is that during 1980's, Minister of Defense of Soviet Union was deeply involved in to the T-80 program. It appears that before introduction of next generation MBT,they wanted to ease production, reduce costs and logistic issues by manufacturing only two tanks, one was T-80U from Leningrad/Omsk and second was T-80UD from Kharkiv.
It was logical step, get rid of non promising T-72's, and unify a fleet with actually single tank type with two variants that have only different powerpack and other minor changes.
Unfortunetly again plans were destroyed, and again UKBTM/UVZ used a fact that Soviet Union was crumbling and used a new weak president Yeltsin for their purposes.
Look at some interesting facts, Omsk facility was stillmanufacturing T-80U's, because Kharkiv was left in Ukraine and GT engine was too expensive for Russia, manufacturing of T-80U was not seen as a good idea, but still it was possible to redesign it's slightly with a Diesel engine manufactured in Russia, why not?
T-80U was advanced machine, with very good protection, mobility, firepower, real FCS, it was great design for further evolution.
Also tank crews liked vehicle, especially it's modern suspension. There was absolutely no reason to not use this design.
Of course even in UVZ/UKBTM there was Object 187, even better tank... but how it ended? It was classic move, instead of using progressive design, they promoted regressive Object 188, that was nothing else than T-72B on steroids with components taken from T-80U.
Well I'm sorry but how anyone who want to be objective can claim that UKBTM/UVZ done everything on their own?
First they stole general design idea from Morozov, later to improve their failed product they needed to use components from a different tank.
And now the best part here, initially the new tank was codenamed T-72BU, but for marketing purposes their renamed it as a T-90 and promoted as a completely new vehicle.
Later it becomes even more interesting, when a facility that manuifactured cast turrets closed their production line, they were forced by this to use a turret initially designed for Object 187, and after that and other minor improvements, they designated new version as T-90A.
The history of T-72 is just a shame, I rarely agree with Andrei Tarasenko, but he is right, T-72 and UKBTM/UVZ is just a shame for Soviet and now Russia's tank designing and manufacturing history, it is a history of stealing or using design solutions and components of other design bureaus and their designs.
So there is nothing to be praised in their actions.
India have a rare opportunity that KMDB is proposing their modernization for T-90S. I strongy suggest to compare all KMDB designs, and even their modernization proposals like T-72MP for T-72 series. Because let's be clear here, India can have a much better deal with Ukraine than with Russia on this.
KMDB known as KB-60M in Soviet Union, was known from it's quality and their focus on details, like for example such trivial for someone issue like properly installed ERA on tank, so there are no ballistic gaps in it's protection, something very typical for UVZ tanks.
