do not really understand why are tanks needed 4 generations, the tanks generation 3 +, and those buying expensive. Planes clear. The pilot learns to fly 4-5 years. And all the time practices then. A young tankman have only 3 months to master a tank. And tanks of post-war first-generation, after modernization able to resist to the new tanks.
USA, but still it is uncertain what will happen. M1A3 might be just upgrade of the Block II, M1A3 might be the long time planned Block III, or might be a completely new design having noting in common with M1 series. You can find in US Army Modernization Plan 2013 that M1 series replacement is considered.
3 months? This is how it looks in Ukraine? How long then he is in service? AFAIK Ukrainian Army is still based on conscript, where many other armies are based on professional soldiers that spend much longer time on training.
Soldier studies in «educational part» of half-year. For this time, he studies to all, even to driving under water. In Ukraine there are tank battalions, formed on contractual basis. A difference is almost present no. And regarding the invocatory system in an army, I consider she must remain.
You know that tank designing principals are universal? Former Soviet Union republics like Russia or Ukraine and NATO countries have biggest experience in developing and using AFV's in combat, ignoring their experience is just foolish, because any other country trying to design it's own AFV will repeat the same mistakes. You really want this?
Of course, if you include old tanks in storage you get such big figures (same as Damian with Abrams), nobody said it is operational number. My point was counting MBT number by structure (number of brigades, etc), not on units in storage. Tank can be held rusting, but not in service.LOL
Like in Polish army when "on paper" we have 942 tanks:
126 Leopard-2A4
232 PT-91
584 T-72M1 (A)
But in realty it's only:
126 Leopard-2A4 + 196 PT-91 after renovation (322 tanks) becouse noone take serious 341 T-72M1(A) in "service" - it's combat value is equal around zero, ad noone take additional 243 T-72M1(A) in stock.
Sorry but this 10 000 is not accurate. In reality Russian army have (in quite modern or "on duty" tanks) only:
130x T-90 (Ob.188) - erly with cast turret
210x T-90A (Ob.188A1/A2)
220x T-72BA but only about 60-80 with Sosna-U
350-400x T-80U - moved to east near PRC
~1500-2000 whole not modern and old Ob.184 (T-72B), as I remember only around 500 T-72B was in really good condition and in "A" status -rest need conservation rebulid in factories.
So we have how many tanks? "Only" 1460-1500 tanks, but on western level only 210 T-90A (Ob.188A1/A2) and maybe 130x T-90 and 350 T-80U (~690 tanks).
In fact when we take tree any NATO countries with significant tank components it's bigger value then Russian tank fleet:
Germany: ~ 260 Leo2A5/A5 (with reserve 350 Leopard-2)
France: 240 Leclerców (in reserve 140, total 380 Leclerc)
Spain: 216 Leo2A6E + 108 leo2A4 (327 Leo2)
Greece: ~170 Leo2A5HEL + 183 Leo2A4 (353 Leo2) + soon M1
Poland: 126 Leo2A4 + 196 PT-91
Finland 124 Leopard-2A4
Turkey: 298 Leo2A4
example: Poland, Germany, France:
in service: 260+240+126 = 626 tanks, total: 350+380+126 = 856 tanks
And I would like to remind that only 210 T-90A (Ob.188A1/A2) is able to compare with Leclerc and Leopard-2A6...
Next interesting think is compare China tank fleet with Russian:
2,000-2,500 ZTZ-96 <---> ~500 T-72B (Ob.184) , + 220 T-72BA (Ob.184A/A1) , 130 T-90 (Ob.188) etc
~800 ZTZ-99 <---> 400-450 T-80U (Ob.219A?)
~ ZTZ-99A2 <---> 210 T-90A (Ob.190A/A1 A2)
I don't want to be rude, but dates for Rh are not very good. In fact they are far far from truth:
Sorry but it's not true. That what Russians have now is that what I had posted erlier ~690 quite modern tank on duty (T-90A, T-90, T-80U) and 200 T-72BA + ~500 nacked Ob.184 (T-72B). Rest is just junk, and need rebuild in factories.
If Russian wil be able to produce ~800-1200 Armata it will be greate. It's first, second:
Only USA have 2000 modern tanks in operation. Russia have only 210 modern tank - T-90A, and about 480-550 quite modern tnak in operation - T-90 and T-80U. There is additional 220 T-72BA - and this is not modern tank in fact..but vs. Georgian or Asian countrs can be. And about 500 old, not modernisated Ob.184 (T-72B). It's all.
Well not exactly.
Not compare, only technical constituent and level of the crew training. In 2008 the Russian army entered to South Ossetia, in general on the "old man" Т- 62, which resisted to the Georgian tanks Т- 72 sim1 (they are at the level of Т- 90). And in general the Georgian army was equipped better, but a moral spirit is weaker. But war "08.08.08" showed that the gun 2Ð20 (Т- 62) is able to contest with more new tanks. So Russian Т-72B and Т-80U, Т-80BV early not to count in opposition to the Western tanks. Armata - a phantom. In a rearmament can plans be re-stupendous, but in the real life of soldiers leads these tanks. + as early as reserve of Т-64BV and Т-80UD. And they are only shown out in reserve, and fully efficient.
As I remember there was no tank battles during August war -accoding to:
T-72SIM1 is just T-72AV with newer FCS and BMS systems. I would say it is more comparable to Polish PT-91, and inferior even to the older T-90 variants, especially in terms of protection.
For him defence is increased the new location of ERA. And he nearer to PT - 91, and also to Т- 64(80)BV and Т- 90, first producing.
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