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Whoa, I guess I know how I am spending Sunday. Just bought it on Kindle, thanks bud.
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The deal was signed in 2011 deliveries completed few years back.
Notice the Elta Eli 3001 Sigint system
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@Kunal Biswas made an informative thread somewhere. Several Han members also contributed in that thread.
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http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/no-let-up-in-loc-ceasefires/article19198627.ece
No let up in LoC ceasefires
No let up in LoC ceasefires
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http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/no-let-up-in-loc-ceasefires/article19198627.ece
At least 22 violations witnessed in the last two weeks amid India-China face-off
Even as attention is focussed on the stand-off between India and China in Sikkim, the India-Pakistan border continues to boil with daily Cease Fire Violations (CFV).
In the last two weeks, there have been at least 22 CFVs of which over nine occurred from June 27-30 when the news of the stand-off between the Armies of India and China came out and both sides were engaged in a diplomatic showdown. In contrast for the whole month of June last year, there were only 10 CFVs on the LoC.
“There have been continuous CFVs on the LoC in the last few days, but there was no contact or infiltration attempts during them,” a senior Army officer said.
This is a slight departure in trend as in the last few months, since summer set in, there has been an uptick in CFVs as there were desperate attempts by militants to sneak across the Line of Control.
Cover to infiltrators
Normally, the Pakistan Army resorts to CFV to provide cover fire to the infiltrators.
The infiltrations were in itself an attempt to increase the number of militants in the Valley as the security forces eliminated several in a series of targeted operations.
So far this year, the number of CFVs has crossed 200 while for the corresponding period last year it was 14; it was 228 for the whole of 2016.
Similarly, while 140 terrorists were killed in 2016 both on the LoC and in the Valley, this year till June the number has crossed 80.
Forces on alert
With the end of the holy month of Ramazan and the beginning of the 40-day Amarnath Yatra, security forces are gearing for a major spike in CFVs, infiltration attempts as well as violence in the Valley.
July 8 also marks one year since the killing of local Hizbul Mujahideen commander Burhan Wani which had plunged the Valley into unending violence. Security forces believe there will be attempts to create mass protests this week.
At least 22 violations witnessed in the last two weeks amid India-China face-off
Even as attention is focussed on the stand-off between India and China in Sikkim, the India-Pakistan border continues to boil with daily Cease Fire Violations (CFV).
In the last two weeks, there have been at least 22 CFVs of which over nine occurred from June 27-30 when the news of the stand-off between the Armies of India and China came out and both sides were engaged in a diplomatic showdown. In contrast for the whole month of June last year, there were only 10 CFVs on the LoC.
“There have been continuous CFVs on the LoC in the last few days, but there was no contact or infiltration attempts during them,” a senior Army officer said.
This is a slight departure in trend as in the last few months, since summer set in, there has been an uptick in CFVs as there were desperate attempts by militants to sneak across the Line of Control.
Cover to infiltrators
Normally, the Pakistan Army resorts to CFV to provide cover fire to the infiltrators.
The infiltrations were in itself an attempt to increase the number of militants in the Valley as the security forces eliminated several in a series of targeted operations.
So far this year, the number of CFVs has crossed 200 while for the corresponding period last year it was 14; it was 228 for the whole of 2016.
Similarly, while 140 terrorists were killed in 2016 both on the LoC and in the Valley, this year till June the number has crossed 80.
Forces on alert
With the end of the holy month of Ramazan and the beginning of the 40-day Amarnath Yatra, security forces are gearing for a major spike in CFVs, infiltration attempts as well as violence in the Valley.
July 8 also marks one year since the killing of local Hizbul Mujahideen commander Burhan Wani which had plunged the Valley into unending violence. Security forces believe there will be attempts to create mass protests this week.
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No need, highly discourage.
Bhutan is one of the happiest nations in the world. Very good development index and really good in agro industries, employment and health.
They are doing a lot of things related to green energy and afforestation and saving the environment.
You should keep them as Switzerland. You don't need a visa, visit and enjoy the tradition. But bringing them to Indian Union is like kicking them 1000 miles away and reducing their development to dirt. They wouldn't like it at all. they love their Kingdom and the King Queen. They will never accept this.
Influx of Bihari and unemployed bangalis will increase and it will soon become a underdeveloped nation.
Bhutan is one of the happiest nations in the world. Very good development index and really good in agro industries, employment and health.
They are doing a lot of things related to green energy and afforestation and saving the environment.
You should keep them as Switzerland. You don't need a visa, visit and enjoy the tradition. But bringing them to Indian Union is like kicking them 1000 miles away and reducing their development to dirt. They wouldn't like it at all. they love their Kingdom and the King Queen. They will never accept this.
Influx of Bihari and unemployed bangalis will increase and it will soon become a underdeveloped nation.
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That would be a big NO NO. Better off with arty duels.
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We are not getting that because its not for our usage ..
He is talking about using UCAV not those useless UAV s and Quadcopters which someone can buy in amazon these days ..We need Predator s both to hit the paki post and also to take the jihadi camps ..But sadly we are getting Guardian Naval surveillance drones ...
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J&K govt data shows: Firing across LoC has limited impact, fails to deter Pakistan
FIRING ACROSS the Line of Control (LoC) has escalated dramatically since India’s strikes on jihadist training camps in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir in September, classified data obtained by The Indian Express has revealed. The data suggests that the policy of “massive retaliation” for cross-border firing set in place in 2014 is failing to deter the Pakistan Army from harrying Indian counter-infiltration defences on the LoC.
The data, compiled by the J&K government, shows that there have been 124 exchanges of fire from January to June 21, 2017 — all but 11 along the LoC and international border in the Jammu sector, under the control of the Nagrota-based XVI Corps.
In contrast, there were only five exchanges of fire in the same period of 2016, before India’s cross-LoC strikes sparked a wave of assaults using mortar and machine guns, as well as ambushes targeting Indian patrols by so-called Pakistani Border Action Teams, or special forces units mixed with irregulars. Localised but lethal skirmishes now form the core of a grim war of attrition on the border in Jammu — a region with near-zero jihadist infiltration — as soldiers fight to avenge past attacks, or establish tactical advantage for their posts and patrol routes in anticipation of future ones.
The latest fighting, sparked by the June 23 ambush which claimed the lives of two soldiers, is reported to be continuing intermittently, with shelling at the end of the month claiming the life of Naseem Akhter, a Poonch resident, and Abdul Wahab, living across the LoC in Nakyal. Kashmir, guarded by the XV Corps, is seeing the LoC regularly probed by jihadist infiltrators, the raison d’etre for aggressive retaliation — but here, there is little fighting between the two armies.
Incidents of firing across the LoC have risen steadily since 2012, when 79 were registered, to 236 in 2013, 226 in 2014, and 279 in 2015, according to data gathered by the J&K government. The first six months of 2016 were quiet, but overall numbers rose sharply to 227 after the strikes.
The J&K government’s data, based on direct observation by intelligence units, reflects significant fire exchanges which may pose a risk to civilians, rather than all violations of the ceasefire India and Pakistan entered into in 2013, which include relatively minor incidents.
Lok Sabha replies provided by the government show that those incidents have also escalated, from 347 in 2013, to 583 in 2014, 405 in 2015 and 449 in 2016 — again showing that India’s more muscular posture has so far failed to deter the Pakistan Army.
“The enemy has realised that times have changed and their old habits will not be tolerated… People know my intentions,” Prime Minister Narendra Modi had, following the first cross-border clashes of his tenure. The government had authorised forces to use disproportionate force against Pakistani military fire, and declined to engage in dialogue while the fighting continued — a break with past patterns.
Major-General Ashok Narula, the Indian Army’s chief spokesperson, said in May that “punitive fire assaults across the Line of Control are being undertaken by the Indian army”. He released a video that showed Indian artillery destroying temporary bunkers on a tree-covered mountain, shot, military sources said, on May 9, a week after the beheading of two Indian soldiers by a Border Action Team.
In 2003, when India and Pakistan agreed on their unwritten ceasefire, 2,045 exchanges of fire were recorded, which claimed the lives of 59 Indian troops and 40 civilians.
“I believe these fire-exchanges are serving absolutely no demonstrable strategic purpose. Their only purpose is to fuel a certain nationalist posturing in both India and Pakistan,” said Ajai Sahni, director, Institute of Conflict Management in New Delhi.
The data shows six Indian soldiers have been killed in the fire exchanges so far this year, and 12 injured, while 10 were killed and 56 injured in 2016.
“It is unimportant if more Pakistanis were killed or Indians. The loss of a single Indian soldier’s life without a strategic aim is a criminal waste,” said Sahni.
The firing across the LoC, interestingly, comes at a time of relatively low infiltration. Even though the Indian Army has reported multiple infiltration attempts along the LoC in Kashmir this summer, Home Minister Rajnath Singh announced that infiltration in January-June 2017 has been 45 per cent lower than in the same period of 2016.
“Largely, the firing on the Line of Control is taking place because both sides have become locked in a tit-for-tat cycle of retaliation, with neither willing to back off,” said a senior military official.
For the Pakistan Army, continuing to hit back is of critical importance in the wake of last year’s cross-LoC strikes, to demonstrate that it is willing to willing to risk escalation despite the weakness of its military position.
Estimated to deploy some 200,000-225,000 troops along the LoC, the Indian Army’s XV and XVI Corps have overwhelming numerical superiority against Pakistan.
Pakistan’s X Corps, made up of the 23 Infantry Division, 12 Infantry Division, 19 Infantry Division and Force Command Gilgit-Baltistan, only has some 100,000-125,000 troops, experts believe.
General Asim Bajwa, Pakistan’s Army chief, who came to office soon after the cross-LoC strikes, placed Kashmir high on his agenda, amid fears in his command that India could react to a future terrorist strike with a larger-scale attack in the Neelam valley.
The Pakistan Army chief, in visits to the Haji Pir sector in April, the Kel sector in March, and the shelling-hit Bhimber sector in December and February, is believed to have ordered commanders to harry Indian defences, rather than back down in the face of artillery assault.
Indian commanders, in turn, fearing that further escalation could hamper their counter-infiltration posture and render maintenance of the LoC fence difficult, have resisted the temptation to deploy heavier-calibre artillery.
FIRING ACROSS the Line of Control (LoC) has escalated dramatically since India’s strikes on jihadist training camps in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir in September, classified data obtained by The Indian Express has revealed. The data suggests that the policy of “massive retaliation” for cross-border firing set in place in 2014 is failing to deter the Pakistan Army from harrying Indian counter-infiltration defences on the LoC.
The data, compiled by the J&K government, shows that there have been 124 exchanges of fire from January to June 21, 2017 — all but 11 along the LoC and international border in the Jammu sector, under the control of the Nagrota-based XVI Corps.
In contrast, there were only five exchanges of fire in the same period of 2016, before India’s cross-LoC strikes sparked a wave of assaults using mortar and machine guns, as well as ambushes targeting Indian patrols by so-called Pakistani Border Action Teams, or special forces units mixed with irregulars. Localised but lethal skirmishes now form the core of a grim war of attrition on the border in Jammu — a region with near-zero jihadist infiltration — as soldiers fight to avenge past attacks, or establish tactical advantage for their posts and patrol routes in anticipation of future ones.
The latest fighting, sparked by the June 23 ambush which claimed the lives of two soldiers, is reported to be continuing intermittently, with shelling at the end of the month claiming the life of Naseem Akhter, a Poonch resident, and Abdul Wahab, living across the LoC in Nakyal. Kashmir, guarded by the XV Corps, is seeing the LoC regularly probed by jihadist infiltrators, the raison d’etre for aggressive retaliation — but here, there is little fighting between the two armies.
Incidents of firing across the LoC have risen steadily since 2012, when 79 were registered, to 236 in 2013, 226 in 2014, and 279 in 2015, according to data gathered by the J&K government. The first six months of 2016 were quiet, but overall numbers rose sharply to 227 after the strikes.
The J&K government’s data, based on direct observation by intelligence units, reflects significant fire exchanges which may pose a risk to civilians, rather than all violations of the ceasefire India and Pakistan entered into in 2013, which include relatively minor incidents.
Lok Sabha replies provided by the government show that those incidents have also escalated, from 347 in 2013, to 583 in 2014, 405 in 2015 and 449 in 2016 — again showing that India’s more muscular posture has so far failed to deter the Pakistan Army.
“The enemy has realised that times have changed and their old habits will not be tolerated… People know my intentions,” Prime Minister Narendra Modi had, following the first cross-border clashes of his tenure. The government had authorised forces to use disproportionate force against Pakistani military fire, and declined to engage in dialogue while the fighting continued — a break with past patterns.
Major-General Ashok Narula, the Indian Army’s chief spokesperson, said in May that “punitive fire assaults across the Line of Control are being undertaken by the Indian army”. He released a video that showed Indian artillery destroying temporary bunkers on a tree-covered mountain, shot, military sources said, on May 9, a week after the beheading of two Indian soldiers by a Border Action Team.
In 2003, when India and Pakistan agreed on their unwritten ceasefire, 2,045 exchanges of fire were recorded, which claimed the lives of 59 Indian troops and 40 civilians.
“I believe these fire-exchanges are serving absolutely no demonstrable strategic purpose. Their only purpose is to fuel a certain nationalist posturing in both India and Pakistan,” said Ajai Sahni, director, Institute of Conflict Management in New Delhi.
The data shows six Indian soldiers have been killed in the fire exchanges so far this year, and 12 injured, while 10 were killed and 56 injured in 2016.
“It is unimportant if more Pakistanis were killed or Indians. The loss of a single Indian soldier’s life without a strategic aim is a criminal waste,” said Sahni.
The firing across the LoC, interestingly, comes at a time of relatively low infiltration. Even though the Indian Army has reported multiple infiltration attempts along the LoC in Kashmir this summer, Home Minister Rajnath Singh announced that infiltration in January-June 2017 has been 45 per cent lower than in the same period of 2016.
“Largely, the firing on the Line of Control is taking place because both sides have become locked in a tit-for-tat cycle of retaliation, with neither willing to back off,” said a senior military official.
For the Pakistan Army, continuing to hit back is of critical importance in the wake of last year’s cross-LoC strikes, to demonstrate that it is willing to willing to risk escalation despite the weakness of its military position.
Estimated to deploy some 200,000-225,000 troops along the LoC, the Indian Army’s XV and XVI Corps have overwhelming numerical superiority against Pakistan.
Pakistan’s X Corps, made up of the 23 Infantry Division, 12 Infantry Division, 19 Infantry Division and Force Command Gilgit-Baltistan, only has some 100,000-125,000 troops, experts believe.
General Asim Bajwa, Pakistan’s Army chief, who came to office soon after the cross-LoC strikes, placed Kashmir high on his agenda, amid fears in his command that India could react to a future terrorist strike with a larger-scale attack in the Neelam valley.
The Pakistan Army chief, in visits to the Haji Pir sector in April, the Kel sector in March, and the shelling-hit Bhimber sector in December and February, is believed to have ordered commanders to harry Indian defences, rather than back down in the face of artillery assault.
Indian commanders, in turn, fearing that further escalation could hamper their counter-infiltration posture and render maintenance of the LoC fence difficult, have resisted the temptation to deploy heavier-calibre artillery.
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On LOC its a proven fact that nothing works better than 155mm artillery to stop Pak army as well as infiltrators. And for that we need quick deployment of dhanush howitzers. A better option would be HIMARS type truck mounted rocket launchers which can be moved easily from point to point to destroy Paki positions but we dont have those.Defensive outlook will not work on LOC.
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What is the state of Indian armor in Ladakh? Are we still at a disadvantage compared to the Chinese? How do the T72s that were stationed there recently compare to the Chinese tanks that they are likely to deploy?
Is the Nag anti tank missile a deterrent against an armored push?
Is the Nag anti tank missile a deterrent against an armored push?
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here is a good Article >>
http://trishul-trident.blogspot.in/2016/08/norinco-built-medium-main-battle-tanks.html
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Pinaka and Smerch are heavy MBRLs not light ones and need special purpose vehicles. Light MBRLs like HIMARs used by US army in Syria can be mounted on a pickup truck and can strike in a concentrated form. heavy MBRLs are used as area destruction weapons not target destruction weapons.We have pinaka & smerch .
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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...wart-indias-progress/articleshow/59415681.cms
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...gnty-chinese-experts/articleshow/59420060.cms
"There could be a chance of war if the recent conflict between China and India is not handled properly, observers said, noting that China will resolutely defend its territory and safeguard the border," the Global Times report said. "
If Chinese want war then be it.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...gnty-chinese-experts/articleshow/59420060.cms
"There could be a chance of war if the recent conflict between China and India is not handled properly, observers said, noting that China will resolutely defend its territory and safeguard the border," the Global Times report said. "
If Chinese want war then be it.
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Doka La face-off: Round 1 to India
http://www.rediff.com/news/report/doka-la-face-off-round-1-to-india/20170701.htm
http://www.rediff.com/news/report/doka-la-face-off-round-1-to-india/20170701.htm
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