LOC, LAC & IB warfare

[Krusty]

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If members are interested in this I can post in detail. I have a copy of the Bhavishya Purana at home. I'll post the rough geography and synopsis of it in multiple posts.
Tell me If you guys want it and please point me to appropriate thread.

Please do. If you plan to post a whole lot of content, you can open a new thread.

 

[Dharmocrat]

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Please do. If you plan to post a whole lot of content, you can open a new thread.

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OK. I will make a new thread after a couple of days.

 

[F-14B]

basically, india is the trouble maker. without india's intervention, china and Bhutan would have reacher border agreement several years ago. this time india is taking it too far, Bhutan wont be happy.

let us find out what india had done to stabotage the border talks between china and Bhutan.

https://www.kuenselonline.com/forums/topic/would-india-disrupt-bhutan-china-border-negotiations/
Would India disrupt Bhutan China Border Negotiations?

November 2, 2014 at 8:00 pm
The Indian Newspaper The Telegraph carried a front page article on the forth coming visit of the Indian President to Bhutan in its issue of 28th October,2014. It says that the visit is about Indian anxiety on the progress of China Bhutan Border Talks. President Pranab Mukerjee arrives on7th and leaves on 8th November.2014. Would he demand Bhutan to obstruct border negotiations with China?

India had been controlling the Sino Bhutan international boundary Talks through its iron grip on Bhutan’s economic and communication dependence on India. The writer Charu Sudan Kasturi cites the case of India withdrawing subsidies in 2013 to warn Bhutan against normalising relation with China.

The China Bhutan Border Talks have been going on for decades. China has been quite sincere and mostly positive in conducting the international boundary negotiation with Bhutan. And Bhutan on the other hand has been trying to delay the progress for many years at the insistence of India. How long can Bhutan defy the patience of China and to what national benefit? The next step after signing international boundary agreement with China would be normalising relationship between the two Countries.

And that is what India wants to stall or prevent. A diplomatic level relationship with China would forever consolidate the sovereign status of Bhutan. Bhutan would no longer be easily available to act as political pawn or surrogate for India in sensitive international politics. That is a fact. However, Bhutan’s corner stone foreign policy of friendship with India will not alter. India will remain Bhutan’s most desired benefactor. Geographical access, language and social behaviour naturally bring Bhutan closer to India. So India will be more dominant than China in Bhutan’s priority. At the other end of the scale it would be suicidal to keep snubbing friendly overtures from China.

Unfortunately India and many other Western Nations and their Allies in South East Asia including Australia and Japan do not want China to develop progressive relationship with Bhutan. On the other hand these same Countries have gone all out to develop their own political and economic ties with China. So they are not containing the influence of China in international affairs but they are curtailing the progress of Bhutan. It is necessary that Bhutanese Leaders counter the isolation of Bhutan from China by vested interests of India and other pro Western groups of nations. Bhutan cannot be ” A Tool of Irritant ‘ for anti- China forces.

The Telegraph article on the eve of the visit of President of India to Bhutan is a deliberate political attempt to misconstrue the facts about China Bhutan international boundary Talks. The article alleges that China is offering more land to Bhutan at certain point of Sino-Bhutan border in exchange for some adjustment at the Tri-junction border of India, Bhutan and China. This is a a desperate strategy on part of India to thwart Sino Bhutan progress in boundary Talks.

The actual fact is that India wants Bhutan to demand more land from China at the Tri-junction. India is very well aware of the historical facts of British Raj days in India. As much as the Kings and the Kingdom of Bhutan want to comply with Indian dictate,historical facts cannot be changed by Bhutan. The British Raj grabbed the Duars from Bhutan and made the Duars part of India. The Tri-junction is part of annexed Duar region and part of it was sold by British Raj to China Tibet after it was annexed from Bhutan.

Now how could Bhutan reclaim this portion of land from China when she cannot reclaim her Duar regions from India? The Tri-junction is a strategic point and neither India nor China would surrender even a square inch of their land to each other or to Bhutan . If Bhutan continues to postpone the finalization of international boundary with China,the King of Bhutan has to be aware that the Kingdom will not get the relaxation that China had so far accorded on the disputed Sino Bhutan border. And history will reflect badly on the legacy of the so far much admired Wangchuck dynasty for testing, at the behest of India, the extreme limit the benign policy of China towards Bhutan.

President Pranab Mukerjee is an accomplished leader of India. No one can cast doubts on his nationalistic insight and foresight especially on China and India border dispute. He and another notable Political Leader of India late hon’ble Shri Basu of Communist Party could have been the Prime Ministers of India but for the obstructions from their own respective Parties. So he is of the highest political calibre to understand that even without coming to Bhutan that Bhutan is in no position to take Chinese land to enhance the strategic interest of India.

President Pranab Mukerjee was the then the Minister of External Affairs of India when the 4th King of Bhutan pleaded with India in 2006 for renegotiation of 1949 Indo Bhutan Treaty. What concession did he consider for Bhutan? Why was the clause regarding the Duars annuity payable by India to Bhutan removed from the renegotiated Treaty? The Kingdom of Bhutan was obliged to forgo its past losses in the bargain to regain authority over its present and future Sovereign Affairs. But in realty Bhutan lost out on the Duars annuity and India still insist on directing Bhutan’s external affairs. India even took the unprecedented step to intervene in the General Election of Bhutan in 2013 as recorded in the Telegraph article.

When will India and Bhutan respect the spirit and the letter of the re-negotiated Indo Bhutan Treaty that was in fact signed by the present President of India and the present King of Bhutan in 2006.

Their Majesties the 5th King and the 4th King have all the respects and obedience of the Bhutanese people but how does India expect the Kings to overlook the security interest of their own Kingdom and people and continue delaying the settlement of China Bhutan international boundary.

India is an old and dear development benefactor of Bhutan. No Bhutanese can discount this fact. However can any Bhutanese put his head in the mouth of the lion in the north at the roar of the tiger from the south? My own answer is no even if the tiger does pose danger to my assumed secure position. Actually without real sovereignty there cannot be secure position for anyone in Bhutan; only a deluded sense of hanging on borrowed time and position.

The international Sino Bhutan boundary is being demarcated by two technical survey teams of Bhutan and China. The Indo Bhutan international boundary in the west and south of Bhutan was demarcated by the Survey General of India.

Bhutan and India are yet to resolve the international boundary in the East of Bhutan primarily because the Survey General of India could not arbitrarily demarcate the boundary of Arunachal State which is also claimed by China. According to Chinese map of Bhutan, substantial land area of Bhutan is presently occupied by the State of Arunachal. Would India be prepared to give back Bhutanese land?

The paradox is that there are three maps of the Kingdom of Bhutan. One is Indian version,the other is Chinese version and one that Bhutan adopted several years back at the later stage of the reign of the 4th King. The ideal solution would be for China to give to Bhutan whatever the Indian map shows as being Bhutanese land along the Sino Bhutan boundary. And India should also give to Bhutan whatever land the Chinese map shows as Bhutanese land along the Indo Bhutan boundary. As a gesture of goodwill to Bhutan’s two neighbours, the King of Bhutan could advise the Bhutanese Parliament to sanction joint patrolling with China along Sino Bhutan international boundary and joint patrolling with India along Indo Bhutan international boundary. That way both China and India would not be aggrieved for accepting both the version of Bhutanese international boundary maps prepared by their own national Survey Agencies.

I invite the three nations to consider the ideal solution. Both China and India could return the whole of ancient Bhutanese land to Bhutan. And participate with Bhutan to patrol the respective border regions. That way the land China returns to Bhutan cannot be used by India and the land India returns to Bhutan cannot be used by China. A real politics of status quo put in actual real life practise could provide for peace of mind of all three neighbours.

I urge Bhutan to finalize the Sino Bhutan international boundary. The issue has been straggling over three reigns of Wangchuck dynasty since 1970. Also as successive leaderships of Bhutan have reiterated, the friendship with India must remain the corner stone foreign policy of Bhutan. However, China has the vast potentiality to also assist Bhutan to economic prosperity and economic development must be the central goal of a least developing nation like Bhutan. Right now Bhutan is the only SAARC Country and maybe the only UN Member which does not pursue an internationally respectable status relationship with its immediate northern neighbour China.

India under Shri Modi leadership has gone all out to woo Chinese investment in India. Prime Minister Modi of India accorded a huge welcome to the President of China even whilst Chinese and Indian troops stood at close hostile encounter positions on the line of disputed Himalayan border. This is one lesson that Bhutanese leadership could put in practise in Bhutan’s relation with China. After all , is not the new Indo Bhutan Big Brother Theme : Bharat for Bhutan and Bhutan copycat Bharat?

Pelden Drukpa ! Stay Vigilant !

@nimo_cn

calling India as the trouble maker is quite rich coming from the Chinese the root cause for all this angst is a defenseless and harmless monk that we have logged as a our state guest since the 1950's China is going down a dangerous path like that of Imperial Germany and we know what happened to Imperial Germany
and no matter what fake maps you produce we shall not believe that the Platue is part of Chinese territory
the timing of the affair is rather convinet just before the Malabar exercise some imagination from your bloody party controlled morons in Peking and now you are calling for the Indpendence of Sikkim so what about the following

• the Lamadom of Tibet
• East Turkistan
• the returen of Inner Mangolia to magnolia proper
• and the relase of hongkong

think about all this first and then talk now move along and go for your lesson of mao and his dental habits

 

[ghost]

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[Cutting Edge 2]

BREAKING: Dalai Lama will visit LAC

India allows Dalai Lama's b'day fest on disputed border with China in Ladakh
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/621402/india-allows-dalai-lamas-bday.html

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

@nimo_cn

calling India as the trouble maker is quite rich coming from the Chinese the root cause for all this angst is a defenseless and harmless monk that we have logged as a our state guest since the 1950's China is going down a dangerous path like that of Imperial Germany and we know what happened to Imperial Germany
and no matter what fake maps you produce we shall not believe that the Platue is part of Chinese territory
the timing of the affair is rather convinet just before the Malabar exercise some imagination from your bloody party controlled morons in Peking and now you are calling for the Indpendence of Sikkim so what about the following

• the Lamadom of Tibet
• East Turkistan
• the returen of Inner Mangolia to magnolia proper
• and the relase of hongkong

think about all this first and then talk now move along and go for your lesson of mao and his dental habits

Think?Are they allowed to think?Just follow ccp.

 

[Project Dharma]

BREAKING: Dalai Lama will visit LAC

India allows Dalai Lama's b'day fest on disputed border with China in Ladakh
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/621402/india-allows-dalai-lamas-bday.html

Ah it is almost as if GOI is courting a war from the Chinese, like it really really wants a fight...

 

[Nicky G]

Chini deny Xi meeting Modi, when we never even asked for one. Retards.

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So it seems likely now. Oh well had to happen sometime.

 

[Righteous Warrior]

Ah it is almost as if GOI is courting a war from the Chinese, like it really really wants a fight...

Could be we just need one excuse to blow the smithereens put of their CPEC

 

[Mikesingh]

Ah it is almost as if GOI is courting a war from the Chinese, like it really really wants a fight...

An eye for an eye (and a tooth for a tooth)! These Chinks think we're Burkina Faso that they can subdue with rhetoric!

 

[nimo_cn]

http://www.ndtv.com/video/shows/pri...ncerned-about-bhutan-462192?pfrom=home-videos

Watch this Luytean Ball bearing for his rants, bias and selection of panelists being apologetic about China. Stopped watching when both panelists started accusing of DM's comment following Chinese comment reminding about 1962.

The intro was all against Indians and media channels who call for action against Pakistan and detailed Chinese messages and warnings (they are paying to disseminate in India).

No research on China as he usually do about one party vs another (mostly agaist BJP) on different issues exposing their hypocrisies.

Only argument supporting India was China being selective about accepting treaties and its interpretations.

Kept talking about Chinese strategy of ambiguity to further spread fear psychosis when it is India who is ambiguous this time and not uttering a word.

Yea NDTV chahata kya hai ?

You can find anything on the internet if you search long enough. Can you change the facts? Bhutan government has complained about Chinese skulduggery.


Here read this, now please save us the CCP propaganda. Nobody wants to read it. Also, if you want a fight then bring it on, you shall have it.

http://thebhutanese.bt/understanding-the-doklam-border-issue/

i am glad that Wangcha Sangey's article is getting attention from some indian members, though many are not reading it properly.

the first Wangcha Sangey's article i shared last night was actually prompted by this so-called Tenzing Lamsang, whose narrative of the incident was confronted in Wangcha Sangey's article.

you people keep calling what i posted CCP propaganda though it is from a Bhutanese.

instead of calling cheap shot, i suggest you read Wangcha Sangey's article thoroughly and make proper refutation.

if you dont have time, i am gonna summarize it for you, just forgive me if i have got it wrong.

(1) china and bhutan could have solved the border dispute through dialogue if it was not india's disrupting.
(2) Doklam holds no extra strategic significance to Bhutan, india basically imposed its own interest on Bhutan and forced Bhutan to claim as much as possible the part of Doklam Plateau.
(3)Indian amry came to the party uninvited and it was not in india's territory.
(4)the unexpected coming of indian army complicated the situation and made it impossible for Bhutan to resolve the issue with china peacefuly.

http://wangchasangey.blogspot.kr/2017/07/understanding-sino-bhutan-border-issues.html?m=1
Wangcha Sangey

Monday, July 3, 2017

Understanding Sino - Bhutan Border issues at Doklam. Search for truth

The recent Doklam event has many versions. The Indian media naturally had the versions of their Government though they shared what the Chinese also said.


More than the Indian media, it was Tenzing Lamzang of The Bhutanese who attempted to expound the Indian Government positions/ views upon the Bhutanese public through his lengthy article titled " Understanding the Doklam border issue ".


The best way to seeve the truth is to visit history of various events relating to Sino- Bhutan Border and compare with this recent inflated and manipulated Doklam incident. So now another lengthy article in response to Indian media and Tenzing Lamsang article.


1. Initially from late 1960s and through 70s, the Government of India made attempts to discuss with China on the issue of China- Bhutan international border demarcation.


2. China rejected all such attempts by India. China maintained that Bhutan which is a sovereign Kingdom should stand for herself and deal directly with China.


3. So India had to permit Bhutan to directly deal with China on the border issue. That was how the Border Talks began between Bhutan and China from the 1980s. Since then 24 rounds of Talks have taken place in most cordial manner. And much progress have been achieved. India was always kept in the loop by Bhutan.


4. It is possible that the public of Bhutan feel that the Talks are taking too long. Similar views also have been aired in the National Assembly of Bhutan . I understand the innocent frustrations. Under the past absolute Monarchy system, people are used to instant decisive decision of a King. Many do not understand the complexities involved in international boundary demarcation. The case is more perplexing since the Government is in no position to bare all the uncomfortable truths including heavy pressures from India to demand more strategic land from China.


5. Also the Indo- Bhutan international boundary in the South was demarcated so quietly. The public did not hear anything about Bhutan negotiating with India regarding her international border in the South with India. It is possible that Bhutan was in no position to negotiate. Bhutan is more vulnerable to a takeover by India than by China. Also Bhutan has no access to outside world except through India. And moreover, Bhutanese economy and commerce are totally dependant on India including travel from West Bhutan to East Bhutan in the South of the Kingdom. Against such geopolitical constrictions, Bhutan probably had to accept at where ever, the Survey of India decided to lay the Indo- Bhutan international boundary pillars. Thus the quiet smoothness and the speed when one side makes decision for two sides.


6. The fact that China is willing to negotiate with Bhutan on the international boundary of the two nations is I believe a giant step forward for Bhutanese sovereignty. I am grateful to China for this sovereign courtesy. I am even more grateful to India for all the economic assistance and freedom of trade and transit that enabled Bhutan to develop thus far. But I do love Bhutan ever more.


7. There is no doubt in my mind that Bhutan would want to finalise the Sino- Bhutan Border Talks and sign the Agreement. Bhutan has to be fully aware of the limitations of demands we can make upon China. And at the same time Bhutan is in no position to ignore the strategic interests of India. There is too much pressure. That is why Doklam the tri-junction Plateau is drawing multi attentions. It will be a blessing in disguise if China or India forcefully just takeover Doklam Plateau. The so called status quo is endangering the status of whole of Bhutan.


8. For Bhutan, Doklam holds no extra strategic significance than any other part of the Kingdom. But for both India and China, this Tri- junction is considered most vital. Unfortunately for India, the international boundary between Sikkim India and Tibet China at the Doklam Tri-Junction was decided long time back. So as vital as whole of Doklam Plateau is for Indian military strategic interest, there is not much that India can do through her State of Sikkim. The Sikkim door which India possessed is closed.


9. India, therefore, is pushing Bhutan to claim as much as possible the part of Doklam Plateau in the Sino- Bhutan Border Talks. India knows that she has the clout to use Bhutanese territory to serve her strategic interest. So what India herself had forfeited in negotiation with China, she now wants Bhutan to re-claim. This places Bhutan in a very difficult position. Every inch of Bhutanese land is sacred. To claim land for our own is justifiable. But to demand disputed land from China for Indian strategic purposes could endanger Bhutan. In demanding more, Bhutan loses the moral ground to even claim what is rightfully hers.


9. Bhutan is placed in a near impossible position. China will never surrender the strategic position that she had already gained at Doklam Plateau during negotiation on international boundary with India ( State of Sikkim ). And India is insisting upon Bhutan to wrest from China larger portion of Doklam Plateau that India could not get whilst negotiating with China on Sikkim-Tibet international boundary.


10. China wants to have better relation with the sovereign Kingdom of Bhutan. And wants to settle the border dispute in the interest of promoting closer ties including diplomatic relationship. And China has shown willingness to accommodate Bhutanese requests/ stand in other parts of the northern border. But not at the Tri-Junction where China shares border with Indian State of Sikkim and Bhutan. It seems that China had made her position clear to India in regards to Doklam status even when negotiating with India on the internal boundary of the State of Sikkim which borders Doklam along with Tibet and Bhutan. There is no way that China will give in to India through Bhutan front. The Government of Bhutan knows this and wants to be realistic and conclude the negotiations without further adieu and sign the Sino- Bhutan Border Agreement. But Bhutan does not dare to sign the Agreement without the nod from India. In the end, China will keep exercising jurisdiction over Doklam Plateau and Bhutan always at merciful generosity of India.


11. India is worried about the security of her so called chicken neck of the Siliguri corridor and thereby, the Eastern Frontier States. Maybe that was the reason of takeover of Sikkim. In the same manner, China is worried about the future security of her narrow Chumbi Valley stretch and thereby the whole of Tibet. China seems to considers Doklam Plateau as vital to her as Sikkim is to India. Even then China was willingly to share a part of Doklam Plateau with Bhutan so as to enable an amicable settlement. I feel we have to face the reality. China may not wait forever for Bhutan to get Indian clearance. Chinese security concerns would out weigh any ties including with Bhutan.


12. Presently the international boundary in eastern Bhutan has not been demarcated even with India . The sticking point is that Arunachal Pradesh is on the other side. And China claims part of Arunachal. So later, like Doklam, there is bound to be similar Tri- Juction situation. And there, too, China would not be compromising her national security for friendship with Bhutan. So considering all aspects, it may be also in India's interest to let Bhutan sign the Sino-Bhutan Border Agreement. The gesture could contribute towards reaching reasonable agreement towards drawing the Sino- India Arunachal border demarcation. Confidence building is a must in negotiation.


13. China will not budge in Sino - Bhutan Border negotiation where Bhutan is deemed to act as a proxy for Indian strategic interests. At times during Sino - Bhutan Border Talks, China may have been suspicious of India directing the negotiations from Bhutan side. And this time with India openly declaring that she had interferred on behalf of Bhutan at Doklam confirms that all along Bhutan has been actually acting as a proxy for Indian Doklam interest. This will harden Chinese resolve.


14. The Bhutanese Army at Doklam would not approach the Indian Army stationed on the Sikkim side in regards to any issue with China. Bhutan is well aware that directly involving India is an act of surrendering sovereignty to another nation. It took many years and much diplomatic and political maneuvering to convince India to let Bhutan negotiate directly with China. Bhutanese leaders must demonstrate more courageous wisdom and resolve if Sino- Bhutan Border Agreement is to be successfully signed.


Response to The Bhutanese.


Tenzing Lamsang the Editor of The Bhutanese, in his lengthy article claimed that Bhutanese Army tried unsuccessfully to stop the road construction by the Chinese Party and then Indian Army got involved in stopping the construction. I really doubt that Indian Army can ever stop China from doing anything on the land that she claims as her own. Tenzing Lamsang may or may not care of the implication of what he related or claimed. But for sure he does not seem to recognise or acknowledge how much Bhutan wants to keep Sino- Bhutan Border Talks a sovereign affair of Bhutan.


Tenzing Lamsang may have been just a student studying in a Tibetan School in New Delhi when major incursion by China happened into Bhutan ( northern boundary of Haa Dzongkhag with China Tibet ). Understandably, Tibetan Schools in India would not have any good things to teach about China. They may even target Bhutan for the troubles Bhutan had with Tibetans in early 1970s. Any way whether Tenzing Lamsang was born or already a studenr, when that Chinese incursion took place, IMTRAT was very much there in Haa. And yet, Bhutan did not seek Indian Army help.


The King of Bhutan did not turn to Indian Army stationed in Haa Wangchuk LoDzong to confront the Chinese force. In fact, I believe the IMTRAT in Haa was in disarray probably packing up to leave Bhutan when the Chinese incursion happened. His Majesty commanded a Captain of Royal Bhutan Army to lead an unarmed small RBA force to march up to the extreme northern border of Haa with Tibet. A symbolic act to maintain the integrity of Bhutanese land. And this Captain accomplished the Command of his Supreme Commander. That was how a crisis was averted. Today that Captain is the Chief of Operations of Royal Bhutan Army. As a novice junior RBA Officer, he and his soldiers faced the Chinese troops and paved their way to the border. Now as a General, he can never direct his soldiers at the outpost at Doklam to seek Indian Army help. Not way. Not at all.


So Tenzing Lamsang, my views are not based on " desktop musing " as inferred by you ( my response in your fb post has been deleted by you but it's OK. I have my blog as you have your Newspaper. So I have answered your article in full here ).


I know for a fact that Bhutanese soldiers at Border out -posts take their responsibility sincerely and courageously and independent of Indian Army. It is an insult to RBA and the nation to even insinuate that Bhutanese officers and soldiers, on their own, cannot deal with Chinese forces at the border. I had, therefore, objected to Tenzing Lamsang's narration to the Bhutanese public the foreign propaganda materials that glorifies Indian Army at the expense of Royal Bhutan Army. RBA may be trained and funded by India but our Defence Force has independant Bhutanese national heart and responsibility. RBA has always fulfilled the task of securing Bhutanese Borders and cleansing the nation of any intruders including from India.


Conclusion:


Royal Bhutan Army outposts at the Sino- Bhutan border are there to carry out their defence tasks. Our officers and soldiers are not posted there to warm the chilly mountain air with their breath. They do not run to Indian Army to seek help to execute their own national defence task. Numerous Sino- Bhutan incidents have taken place in the past. And in all those incidents, the Royal Bhutan Army, the Chief of Operations or the Supreme Commander has never sought help of Indian Army to face Chinese troops at the Sino- Bhutan Border. Now if China invades Bhutan, probably His Majesty may seek Indian help. Likewise if India invades Bhutan, His Majesty may seek Chinese assistance. Maybe both will come without even inviting. Until then, Bhutan will deal with what are deemed to be containable conflicts on its own whether in the South or in the north.


For general readers. I have one point of clarification. It is true that within Bhutan, there are Indian military presences as declared by India. And yes, Bhutanese Army is trained by India and even funded by India. But all this is not for defence of Bhutan. It is for the security of India. In the defence strategy plan of India against China, India counts on Bhutan's ability to secure her international borders with China. So Indian military is in Bhutan for defence of India. And likewise Indian Army's recent action at Doklam Plateau has nothing to do with Bhutanese national interest or with Bhutanese Security Force at Doklam.


The demarche issued on 20th June by Bhutan Embassy in New Delhi to Chinese Embassy is a normal happening. Both China and Bhutan follow this diplomatic procedure to air any misgivings or clear any misunderstandings at the borders. The soldiers of China and Bhutan do not engage in unruly jostling or play kapadi kind of pushing and catching game at the Sino- Bhutan border. It must also be noted that the Bhutanese Government referred to road being built in "disputed area". Not " inside undisputed " Bhutanese territory. It said " maintain status quo" which is different from allegation of encroachment into Bhutanese Security Force manned Bhutanese territory.


The Press Release by Bhutanese Foreign Ministry on 29th June is out of norm. A kind of political " cry Wolf ". Bhutan usually acts quietly with dignity. Who was Bhutan appealing to in the Press Release with all the history ? If it was China whom we were addressing then there was no need of history as they are party to all the history. This unusual propaganda type of Press Release may have been issued at Indian request to consolidate their weak stand in the international arena. Unfortunately, in so doing, the Bhutanese Government may have further complicated a complex issue. Maybe we need to prayer harder and sincerely for the guidance of Pelden Drukpa.


May Tsawa Soum be in continuous good health. Pelden Drukpa Gyel Lo!

 

[airtel]

i am glad that Wangcha Sangey's article is getting attention from some indian members, though many are not reading it properly.

Read it again >>

my dear son , personal opinions of a self proclaimed journalist does not matter .......................bhutan government is officially supporting India .

 

[nimo_cn]

it's obvious that indian army came into Bhutan's territory uninvited and the purpose is to looking for a fight with China.

i think PLA should give what Indians are looking for, after all there is nowhere for PLA to retreat.

it is essential for China and Bhutan to normalise a bilateral relation, the prerequisite to that is to clear india's influence over Bhutan and free Bhutan from India's control.

this could be a good opportunity as indians are pushing themselves forward, just like what they were doing in 1962.

the 1962 war shattered india's ambition over Tibet, i think a 2017 war would make Bhutan a truly independent country.

 

[singhboy98]

it's obvious that indian army came into Bhutan's territory uninvited and the purpose is to looking for a fight with China.

i think PLA should give what Indians are looking for, after all there is nowhere for PLA to retreat.

it is essential for China and Bhutan to normalise a bilateral relation, the prerequisite to that is to clear india's influence over Bhutan and free Bhutan from India's control.

this could be a good opportunity as indians are pushing themselves forward, just like what they were doing in 1962.

the 1962 war shattered india's ambition over Tibet, i think a 2017 war would make Bhutan a truly independent country.

By all means, do that. Put your troops where your mouth is. We are waiting.

 

[nimo_cn]

Read it again >>

The Press Release by Bhutanese Foreign Ministry on 29th June is out of norm. A kind of political " cry Wolf ". Bhutan usually acts quietly with dignity. Who was Bhutan appealing to in the Press Release with all the history ? If it was China whom we were addressing then there was no need of history as they are party to all the history. This unusual propaganda type of Press Release may have been issued at Indian request to consolidate their weak stand in the international arena. Unfortunately, in so doing, the Bhutanese Government may have further complicated a complex issue. Maybe we need to prayer harder and sincerely for the guidance of Pelden Drukpa.

|ndia is manipulating Bhutan government.

 

[F-14B]

it's obvious that indian army came into Bhutan's territory uninvited and the purpose is to looking for a fight with China.

i think PLA should give what Indians are looking for, after all there is nowhere for PLA to retreat.

it is essential for China and Bhutan to normalise a bilateral relation, the prerequisite to that is to clear india's influence over Bhutan and free Bhutan from India's control.

this could be a good opportunity as indians are pushing themselves forward, just like what they were doing in 1962.

the 1962 war shattered india's ambition over Tibet, i think a 2017 war would make Bhutan a truly independent country.

I don't know whether you understand English but if you referred to my previous post I had clearly stated that India has Treaty obligations to defend Bhutan
So if so if India intervenes in the South China Sea then your lunatics in Beijing should not crib about interventions in your so called backyard as for Indian troops withdrawing from the plateau not even chairman Mao can make it happen you are not the only one in this year in this region and you are right if you want a fight we are ready for 1 and we will never become your friends so if you are in Beijing please tell you are incompetent chairman of your incompetent party just shut the f*** up and screw himself

 

[Nicky G]

62 was a backstab that caught India by surprise. No chance of a repeat.

 

[Krusty]

it's obvious that indian army came into Bhutan's territory uninvited and the purpose is to looking for a fight with China.

i think PLA should give what Indians are looking for, after all there is nowhere for PLA to retreat.

it is essential for China and Bhutan to normalise a bilateral relation, the prerequisite to that is to clear india's influence over Bhutan and free Bhutan from India's control.

this could be a good opportunity as indians are pushing themselves forward, just like what they were doing in 1962.

the 1962 war shattered india's ambition over Tibet, i think a 2017 war would make Bhutan a truly independent country.

Bhutans Defence is very much Indias responsibility. It's china which has no business in the region.

Keep reminding about '62 and selectively forget about the spankin china got in '67 and the cowardice shown by china in '87.

India should just let china Attack and proceed puncture the fake ego of CCP.

Nowhere to retreat? Tell me you are joking. This time around, unlike 67 and 87, the bashing/cowardice of Chinese will be witnessed world over thanks to extensive media coverage. CCP will have nowhere to hide. Their reputation will be mangled forever.

Remind yourself about 67 and 87 too instead of inflating yourself with hot air chanting 62 over and over again. Let's see how a country with near zero combat experience more so in high altitudes and an over inflated ego fares against one of the best combat experienced units in high altitude warfare.

Edit: china got beaten and bruised by Japan. Got P5 seat. After getting it, this will tell how world how unworthy it is of the position it's been 'given'

 

[F-14B]

|ndia is manipulating Bhutan government.

surprising that China talks about manipulation you're the one who started the 1962 conflict by not accepting the Mac Mohan line so you cannot Put The Blame On Us it is a fact that we got defeated by you but it was not because our soldiers well not fighting their hearts out but it was because of an incompetent prime minister Who blindly believed what you are all great chairman said and fell for it naviely but that's not the case this time around and ho yes before you fight us kindly read battles like the winter war

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

|ndia is manipulating Bhutan government.

That is to be decided by Bhutan not China.