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But here is India minsiter of state for defense is requesting China that we should pursue diplomatically with each other on Sikkim issue " Minister of State for Defence Subhash Bhamre"

China's firm stance on Sikkim issue is till to get involved with India military way if India didn't back off.
Well it's a two pronged approach. Like like how Muslims claim they are a religion of peace at the same time when one of them is preparing to detonate a bomb next to you. That's how it works isn't it?
 
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But here is India minsiter of state for defense is requesting China that we should pursue diplomatically with each other on Sikkim issue " Minister of State for Defence Subhash Bhamre"

China's firm stance on Sikkim issue is still to get involved with India military way if India didn't back off.
indian army will keep the positions......
deplomates keep talking , chinese keep writting....
 

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I think India Not taken seriously this chines Media or Globel times or chines Ministry..who all time Barking against india..

All Knows Chines Have 24 Countries Border(Land,Water...) Dispute problem.. due to its Land expansionist policy.

Chines are Living in Historic dreaming world.

example..

WW2 biggest @ country JAPAN & GERMANY Against All alliance force ..War Ran 6year..
US Japan brutally fought each other ..
during this Japanese also won/control big chines land..

US punch Nuclear on Japanese
war over Japanese released all chines land to china..
same by Germans ..

today Us -Japan(Germans) have warm relation

but today Chinese still keep poison in theirs mind for Japanese.



in sikkim: fresh clash ..Chinese giving 1890 (correct if m wrong) british raj Treaty.. ??????????

WHAT THE CRAP...........!!!!!!!!!!!!! IDEOLOGY ...TOTALY
Mao Zedong MIND SET THINKING....

WHo think All world Would Be Wrong ONLY HE IS RIGHT ,,,!
 
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That means India know the consequences of war with China's and its strength, that's the reason to pursue the diplomatic way from your defense office?
We know it's strength. More importantly we also know it's weakness. India always stood for peace. But everything has a limit.

I understand pakis feel butthurt because their image of strong undefeated world Sooppaaaa powaaa master is going down in tatters. And as a result Pakis are eager to join the 50 cent'rs in their propaganda war.

But remind your masters about '67 and '87. I see they have developed selective amnesia about those events....
 

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The editorial in the Global Times, a Party-run tabloid published by the official People's Daily aid China "should lead the international community in restoring Bhutan's diplomatic and defence sovereignty".

A hardline Chinese newspaper's editorial on Thursday called on Beijing to rethink its recognition of Sikkim as a part of India and to support "pro-independence appeals" as a punitive measure to India "to pay for its provocations" over the stand-off on the Doklam plateau in Bhutan.

The editorial in the Global Times, a Party-run tabloid published by the official People's Daily but known for its hawkish views, also said China "should lead the international community in restoring Bhutan's diplomatic and defence sovereignty".

China, which is hugely sensitive about Tibet's status, insists on countries reiterating the "One China policy" at every summit to underline its position on Tibet and Taiwan. It is an especially sensitive issue with India. Despite China's concerns on Tibet, the Global Times, however, suggested Beijing should rethink its recognition of Sikkim as well as push for Bhutan to dilute its ties with India and establish formal diplomatic ties with China.

"In the past, China was wary of India playing the Dalai Lama card, but this card is already overplayed and will exert no additional effect on the Tibet question. But if Beijing adjusts its stance on India-sensitive issues, it could be a powerful card to deal with New Delhi," it said of Sikkim.

"With certain conditions, Bhutan and Sikkim will see strong anti-India movements, which will negatively affect India's already turbulent northeast area and rewrite southern Himalayan geopolitics."

The editorial said Beijing "should reconsider its stance over the Sikkim issue". Since 2005, Chinese maps have shown Sikkim as a part of India, while India in 2003, during then Atal Bihari Vajpayee's visit to China, said officially that it recognises the Tibet Autonomous Region as a part of China.

"Although China recognised India's annexation of Sikkim in 2003, it can readjust its stance on the matter. There are those in Sikkim that cherish its history as a separate state, and they are sensitive to how the outside world views the Sikkim issue. As long as there are voices in Chinese society supporting Sikkim's independence, the voices will spread and fuel pro-independence appeals in Sikkim," the editorial said.

The paper said India had "severely jeopardised Bhutan's diplomatic sovereignty and controls its national defence" and had "imposed a similar coercive policy on Sikkim before".

"Unfair treaties between India and Bhutan that severely violate the will of the Bhutanese people should be abolished. China needs to put more efforts into establishing diplomatic ties with Bhutan at an earlier date as well," it said.

The Global Times said "New Delhi deposed the king of Sikkim in 1975 and manipulated the country's parliament into a referendum to make Sikkim a state of India. The annexation of Sikkim is like a nightmare haunting Bhutan, and the small kingdom is forced to be submissive to India's bullying."

"New Delhi's regional hegemony is swelling to a tipping point," the editorial concluded. "The country has to pay for its provocations."

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/doklam-stand-off-sikkim-independence/1/995356.html

Lol! These Chinese assholes have hit a new low in rants! Can someone please ask them to shut the fuk up? They're making a fool of themselves.

Sikkim should ask for independence? :pound: Are these Chinks drunk? These buggers need urgent medical help.

@Tshering22 you're from Sikkim. What do you have to say to these Chinky hoodlums? The Sikkimese must tell these buggers to STFU and mind their illegally occupied territory of Tibet instead.
 
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Yes, you can think right about it nearby two front war situations can be precisely to be fought on LAC and on LOC, but the question is this can India face two front wars? Seeing both beds on LOC and LAC are hot these days?
India has lost 'substantial' land to China such as Aksai Chin and to not lose more any such lands such as Sikkim or Arunachal Pradesh.
That’s why India stance changed to diplomatic way.

you debibratly omit the part where minister says chinese troops to go back to their original positions......

and you think china can take away sikkim and arunachal......

and i think we can free tibet this time......
tibet,.....................
 

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Yes, you can think right about it nearby two front war situations can be precisely to be fought on LAC and on LOC, but the question is this can India face two front wars? Seeing both beds on LOC and LAC are hot these days?
India has lost 'substantial' land to China such as Aksai Chin and to not lost more any such lands such as Sikkim or Arunachal Pradesh.
That’s why India stance changed to diplomatic way.
There will be no full fledged war on Two fronts. Those who think it will happen without nukes flying about and major stock markets crashing obviously don't have any idea of how modern warfare and economies work. If both Pakistan and china decide to go 'all out' in India, the result will be an escalation to a world war.

What are you, 12? Talking so casually about full fledged war in two fronts?

Even IF( and that's a big IF) china goes all out on its border with India, do you think USA/ Japan/ Taiwan will sit quietly? They might or might not help India, but will use the war to their advantage and try to weaken China as much as possible. Is china ready for it? Seeing that majority of China's industries are just mass production for Japan/USA/Taiwan.. economics bro... you saw how CCP was whining when just Apple spoke about pulling out of china.. china going full fledged on India is not possible without weakening its Defence to its east and south east. Is china ready for it?

Any full fledged war will push all counties back by atleast 30 years. It's mutually assured destruction. China has more to lose in this game than India. Worse, most of China's population. Economy, infrastructure and fertile land is on a small patch on the East Coast. Is china ready to risk it? Food for thought...

P.S: India has one of the most experienced high altitude warfare units (if not the most experienced) in the world today. China will learn how important experience is... and the importance of humility. Both of which China doesn't have and cannot be bought with money.
 
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Two Chinese helicopters enter Indian airspace



Bhatt, who refused to divulge more information citing “security reasons”, said the Indo-Tibetan Border Police, which was looking into the matter, was keeping a close watch on the situation.







In a violation of Indian airspace, two suspected Chinese helicopters were seen hovering over Barahoti region of Uttarakhand’s Chamoli district on Saturday. Superintendent of Police Tripti Bhatt told The Indian Express, “The helicopters entered the Barahoti region at 9.15 am and hovered over [Indian territory] for three minutes.”

Bhatt, who refused to divulge more information citing “security reasons”, said the Indo-Tibetan Border Police, which was looking into the matter, was keeping a close watch on the situation. “Two helicopters were seen near the Sino-Indian border, near Barahoti, but no information was received on any objectionable activities being carried out in the area,” an official note from the Chamoli police department stated. The situation at Barahoti was “normal”, it stated.


The issue of Chinese troops being active along the Uttarakhand border was raised last year too when the then CM Harish Rawat made a statement about the People’s Liberation Army having transgressed the Barahoti area. The transgression was noticed on July 19 last year, when officials from Chamoli district, who were visiting Barahoti, saw the Chinese troops.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/two-chinese-helicopters-enter-indian-airspace-4689145/

Not the ones shown in the pic.


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Yes, you can think right about it nearby two front war situations can be precisely to be fought on LAC and on LOC, but the question is this can India face two front wars? Seeing both beds on LOC and LAC are hot these days?
India has lost 'substantial' land to China in 1962 such as Aksai Chin and to not lose more any such lands such as Sikkim or Arunachal Pradesh.
That’s why India stance changed to diplomatic way.
Diplomatics will never use language of aggression (unless they are from Pakistan) as everything from international support and sympathy will depend on your pre skirmish/war statements ..
You have to read between the lines to get the message
Diplomat categorically said that China should withdraw back to its previous positions
Here something will help you
"The Chinese troops should stay where they were earlier," said Minister of State for Defence
 

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@Tigerpaw

If China 'supports' sikkims independence India will support Tibets. And Xinjiang. And that's about half the landmass of china. Do you see Sikkimese protesting they want independence anywhere? But go to Europe or stand outside any UNHRC summit and you will almost always see Tibetans protesting for freedom and against Chinese oppression.

You can see who has better odds... if china stops anymore boosting right now, it can get out with its dignity intact.
 

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Yes, you can think right about it nearby two front war situations
Dont bark .........tell Your husband (China) to stay in its Limit instead of blabbering on Global Times .

we are just showing Your husband (China ) its Real Aukaat .

your Husband dont have balls to Fight Against India , forget about 2 front war ...................they can do nothing except blabbering on Global times .
 

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Map Sikkim Bhutan Chumb: Schone la peak south of Chumbi Valley in Tibet (China). Bhutan is negotiating Chaumb Valley to China. The pregnable Siluri corridor the thin land between Nepal, Bangladesh, and slightly south of Bhutan and Chinese Tibet. The Siliguri corridor is 500 km north of Chumbi valley

However 34 years ago when Bharati armies rode into Gangtok the capital of Sikkim, world conscience was asleep and has been asleep since then. While there are huge demonstrations for Tibet in the Western world, no celebrity has chosen to fight for the rights of a peaceful nation taken over by Bharat.

The world has forgotten about Sikkim and condoned Delhis act of naked aggression perpetuated on an innocent and docile population. The world has also not spoken up against the cruelty of Delhi on South Tibet (an area which it occupied from China).

Bhutan faces a similar fate. Bharat’s expansionist dreams have no end.

Bharati aggression against her neighbors has to opposed and reversed. Sanctions must be imposed on Delhi for taking over countries. Delhi must learn that aggression does not pay.

India ensalves 450 million Dalits and schedules caste people as Untouchables. Severe economic sancitons must be imposed on India ’till she liberates those millions who are in bondage.

Sikkim has lost its independence, its national identity, and Buddhism exterminated from the rest of Bharat now faces the bayonets of Brhamanism. One of our regular contributors sent us the link to this fantastic article publishedin the Nepali Times.

King Palden Thondup Namgyal, the Chogyal of Sikkim was in his palace on the morning of 6 April, 1975 when the roar of army trucks climbing the steep streets of Gangtok brought him running to the window. There were Indian soldiers everywhere, they had surrounded the palace, and short rapid bursts of machine gun fire could be heard. Basanta Kumar Chhetri, a 19-year-old guard at the palace’s main gate, was struck by a bullet and killed-the first casualty of the takeover. The 5,000-strong Indian force didn’t take more than 30 minutes to subdue the palace guards who numbered only 243. By 12.45 it was all over, Sikkim ceased to exist as an independent kingdom.


Map of Sikkim: China has wavered on accepting Sikkim as part of Bharat

Captured palace guards, hands raised high were packed into trucks and taken away, singing: “Dela sil, li gi, gang changka chibso” (may my country keep blooming like a flower). But by the, the Indian tri-colour had replaced the Sikkimese flag at the palace where the 12th king of the Namgyal dynasty was held prisoner. “The Chogyal was a great believer in India. He had huge respect for Mahatma Gnadhi and Jawaharlal Nehru. Not in his wildest dreams did he think India would ever swallow up his kingdom,” recalls Captain Sonam Yongda, the Chogyal’s aide-de-camp. Nehru himself had told journalist Kuldip Nayarin 1960: “Taking a small country like Sikkim by force would be like shooting a fly with a rifle.” Ironically it was Nehru’s daughter Indira Gandhi who cited “national interest” to make Sikkim the 22nd state in the Indian union.

In the years leading up to the 1975 annexation, there was enough evidence that all was not well in relations between New Delhi and Gangtok. The seeds were sown as far back as 1947 after India gained independence, when the Sikkim State Congress started an anti-monarchist movement to introduce democracy, end feudalism andmerge with India. “We went to Delhi to talk to Nehru about these demands,” recalls CD Rai, a rebel leader. “He told us, we’ll help you with democracy and getting rid of feudalism, but don’t talk about merger now.” Relenting to pressure from pro-democracy supporters, the 11th Chogyalwas forced to include Raiin a five-member council of ministers, to sign a one-sided treaty with India which would effectively turn Sikkim into an Indian “protectorate”, and allow the stationing of an Indian “political officer” in Gangtok.


Map of the independent kingdom of Sikkim--now occupied by Bharat

As a leader of international stature with an anti-imperialist role on the world stage, Nehru did not want to be seen to be bullying small neighbours in his own backyard. But by 1964 Nehru had died and so had the 11th Chogyal, Sir Tashi Namgyal. There was a new breed of young and impatient political people emerging in Sikkim and things were in ferment. The plot thickened when Kaji Lendup Dorji (also known as LD Kaji) of the Sikkim National Congress, who had an ancestral feud with the Chogyal’s family, entered the fray. By 1973, New Delhi was openly supporting the Kaji’s Sikkim National Congress. Pushed into a corner, the new Chogyal signed a tripatriteagreement with political parties and India under which there was further erosion of his powers. LD Kaji’s Sikkim National Congress won an overwhelming majority in the 1974 elections, and within a year the cabinet passed a bill asking for the Chogyal’sremoval. The house sought a referendum, during which the decision was endorsed. “That was a charade,” says KC Pradhan, who was then minister of agriculture. “The voting was directed by the

Indian military.”

India’s “Chief Executive” in Gangtok wrote: “Sikkim’s merger was necessary for Indian national interest. And we worked to that end. Maybe if the Chogyal had been smarter, and played his cards better, it wouldn’t have turned out the way it did.”

It is also said that the real battle was not between the Chogyal and Kaji Lendup Dorji, but between their wives. On one side was Queen Hope Cook, the American wife of the Chogyal and on the other was the Belgian wife of the Kaji, Elisa-Maria Standford. “This was a proxy war between the American and the Belgian,” says former chief minister, BB Gurung. But there was a third woman involved: Indira Gandhi in New Delhi.

Chogyal Palden met the 24-year-old New Yorker, Hope Cook, in Darjeeling in 1963 and married her. For Cook, this was a dream come true: to become the queen of an independent kingdom in Shangrila. She started taking the message of Sikkimese independence to the youth, and the allegations started flying thick and fast that she was a CIA agent. These were the coldest years of the Cold War, and there was a tendency in India to see a “foreign hand” behindeverything so it was not unusual for the American queen to be labelled a CIA agent. However, as Hope Cook’s relations withDelhi deteriorated, so did her marriage with the Chogyal. In 1973, she took her two children and went back to New York. She hasn’t returned to Sikkim since.

Then there was Elisa-Maria, daughter of a Belgian father and German mother who left her Scottish husband in Burma and married LD Kaji in Delhi in 1957. The two couldn’t have been more different. Elisa-Maria wanted to be Sikkim’s First Lady, but Hope Cook stood in the way. “She didn’t just want to be the wife of an Indian chief minister, she wanted to be the wife of the prime minister of an independent Sikkim.” With that kind of an ambition, it was not surprising that with annexation, neither Hope Cook nor Elisa-Maria got what they wanted.

Meanwhile in New Delhi, Indira Gandhi was going from strengthto strength, and India was flexing its muscles. The 1971 Bangladesh war and the atomic test in 1974 gave Delhi the confidence to take care of Sikkim once and for all. Indira Gandhi was concerned that Sikkim may show independent tendencies and become a UN member like Bhutan did in 1971, and she also didn’t take kindly to the three Himalayan kingdoms, Bhutan, Sikkim andNepal, getting too cosy with each other. The Chogyal attended King Birendra’s coronation in Kathmandu in 1975 andhobnobbed with the Pakistanis and the Chinese, and there was a lobby in Delhi that felt Sikkim may get Chinese help to become independent.

In his book on the Indian intelligence agency, Inside RAW, The story of India’s secret service, Ashok Raina writes that New Delhi had taken the decision to annex Sikkim in 1971, andthat the RAW used the next two years to create the right conditions within Sikkim to make that happen. The key here was to use the predominantly-Hindu Sikkimese of Nepali origin who complained of discrimination from the Buddhist king and elite to rise up. “What we felt then was that the Chogyal was unjust to us,” says CD Rai, editor of Gangtok Times and ex-minister. “We thought it may be better to be Indian than to be oppressed by the king.”

So, when the Indian troops moved in there was general jubilation on the streets of Gangtok. It was in fact in faraway Kathmandu that there were reverberations. Beijing expressed grave concern. But in the absence of popular protests against the Indian move, there was only muted reaction at the United Nations in New York. It was only later that there were contrary opinions within India-Morarji Desai said in 1978 that the merger was a mistake. Even Sikkimese political leaders who fought for the merger said it was a blunder and worked to roll it back. But by then it was too late.

Today, most Sikkimese know they lost their independence in 1975, and Siliguri-bound passengers in Gangtok still say they are “going to India”. The elite have benefited from New Delhi’s largesse and aren’t complaining. As ex-chief minister BB Gurung says: “We can’t turn the clock back now.” 25 years after SIKKIM

Next month, it will be 25 years since the Indian annexation of Sikkim. Sudheer Sharmalooks back at how a Himalayan kingdom lost its sovereignty. Nepali Times
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