LOC, LAC & IB skirmishs

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“The PLA will not seek to fight a ground war with Indian troops early on. Instead it will deploy aircraft and strategic missiles to paralyse Indian mountain divisions stationed in the Himalayas on the border with China,” a military insider told the South China Morning Post on condition of anonymity, adding that he believes Indian troops will probably hold out for “no more than a week.”
Lol! Do these arm chair Chinese 'generals' think that the Indian armed forces will be sitting on their asses watching Chinese missiles flying all over? The Chinks will see their bridges and other infrastructure so assiduously built over the years in Tibet with billions of dollars go up in smoke - destroyed by our missiles both from the ground and air. The movement of their PLA formations will be totally impeded resulting in a complete breakdown of logistics support. They will then be annihilated piecemeal.

These Chinks should wake up from their fantasies and smell the coffee. They should not forget the whacking they received at Nathula in 1967 when they lost 380 soldiers of their robot army and then cried for a ceasefire! They never mention this skirmish anywhere but keep talking about 1962 which was badly managed not by the army but by the politicians led by Nehru and his adviser Krishna Menon when they even refused to employ the IAF to destroy the Chinese intrusions which was an incredibly stupid decision.

A lot of water has flowed under the bridge since then, but the Chinks seem to be in a perpetual time warp in the 60s!
 
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Except the Smerch which was the world's first multiple launch rocket system with guided missiles.
These precision guided rockets are not for extensive use especially on a large Indo - China front but targeted strikes. For one they are not cheap and second India don't have guided munition for Smerch.


India procured 155 mm Russian Guided munition - Krasnopol but as usual most of them were faulty and duds, probably the entire stock is phased out by now.


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Guys! This is the Example of LOW IQ, Moronity, and Stupidity of Average Chinese.

Above All their Racist Discrimination and Hate towards Indians.


Watch this Lady!!!

This is how, the Chinese Media, New Anchors, Defence Experts, Think Tank behaves. Just like this Chinese Lady.

And when the time comes for Serious Confrontation, they RUN FOR EXIT.
 
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Guys! This is the Example of LOW IQ, Moronity, and Stupidity of Average Chinese.

Above All their Racist Discrimination and Hate towards Indians.


Watch this Lady!!!

This is how, the Chinese Media, New Anchors, Defence Experts,Think Tank behaves. Just like this Chinese Lady.

And when the time comes for Serious Confrontation, they RUN FOR EXIT.
Who the hell mentions United Nations in racist arguments!!!!

They must be special kind of crazy!!!
 

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Guys @Screambowl and @nongaddarliberal there is a very less chances for skimmers between India and China. Day by day, I am losing hope of any skimmers.

You guys are taking about attacking cities. Are you nuts. Can you imagine the consequences!! You know when was the last time cities were purposefully hit! It was in WW2. There were attacks on cities during Vietnam war too, but the aim was to hit Sam sites and ammo dumps. No missions we're flown to hit an entire city block.

I do understand that unguided Rockets are less accurate. It doesn't make any sense to build a 400km unguided rocket. Either it must be a guided one(with no info on guidance and unguided is just a cover-up) or the range is wrong.

For sake of argument, let's assume that unguided rockets with 400 km exists. There is a High Value Target close to city say less than 200 mts. I bet, IA knows about this kind of things. No one will construct their decoy infra or a real functioning infra close to city; especially if the enemy is China.

Chances of high value targets closer to the city are very less. For sake of argument, let's assume there is one. This Target is only 200 km for border, so that long range Chinese rocket artillery can fire safely, in short surviving the IAF wrath.

A salvo of 8 rockets fired at the Target, let's assume that 2 of the rockets might hit the city border. Can you estimate the casualty count!?. It wouldn't cross 50 people. Now before anyone comes to the conclusion on the loss of life, chance of the PLA rocket artillery hitting any of our cities by mistake is less than the one in a million.

However, there is one more option i.e. hitting the cities intentionally. No one will be silly enough to do so. Whole world will be against China. Going to war with India is one thing and attacking Indian Cities(intentionally) is another. One direct attack might cause 1000 deaths at Max. Every Indian will be looking for revenge. This will be very bad for China.

In short, either intentionally or unintentionally attack on Indian cities will be a death blow(sanctions and trade) to China. International court, yes China hardly cared about the decision on SCS, but war crime of this nature (attacking civilians) has it's own impact consequences.

Thus I rest my case
Doklam standoff is only the beginning. Over the next 20-30 years, there will be a long series of standoffs, and tensions, that may lead to war. Even if we avoid war today, it will eventually come, and we need to be ready for that. There will be no "peace for our time", and Modi is definitely not Chamberlain.
 

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Two months into Doklam standoff, assessing China’s strength

http://indianexpress.com/article/ex...sessing-chinas-strength-india-sikkim-4796971/
China’s great strength is part steel and part illusion. The dragon may indeed breathe fire — but it has enough teeth and claws missing to not want to fight.

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Written by Praveen Swami | Updated: August 15, 2017 10:10 am


Loose-cannon special forces officer Leng Feng emerges from his seaside retreat, to the applause of a grateful nation, when a cartel of arms dealers and mercenaries begin to lay waste an impoverished African country. Fighting to save aid workers and innocent civilians, he fights his way past the enemy with underwater kung-fu, evades an armed drone and destroys battle tanks. The plot of China’s highest-grossing blockbuster, Wolf Warrior II, seems familiar, because it is: this is Rambo with Chinese characteristics.

Few in the audience today would recall Li Cunbao’s 1982 novel, Gaoshan xia de huahuan (‘Wreaths of flowers at the foot of the mountains’), which tells the story of the soldiers who fought China’s last real war. The brave company commander at the centre of the story leaves his wife and baby a frock, used uniforms, and a debt of $ 380 — 10 times his pay.

Even fewer would have seen Tamen zheng nianqing (‘In their prime’), banned in 1986, a gritty anti-war film on soldiers holed up in a limestone cave, and their desperate battle to survive.

The 12,192 soldiers killed in the China-Vietnam war, mainly the sons of poor peasant families, have no place in official Chinese history. The war revealed stark problems in China’s military, though, many of which continue to haunt the People’s Liberation Army.

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For weeks now, China has been threatening India with terrible retribution for what it claims is trespass into its lair on the Doklam plateau. There are more than a few in India genuinely worried by the aggression — part of a pattern of intimidation that has forced Japan to scramble its fighters more often than at the height of the Cold War, and sent Vietnam into the arms of arch-enemy United States. Like so much to do with military power, China’s great strength is part steel and part illusion. The dragon may indeed breathe fire — but it has enough teeth and claws missing to not want to fight.

When Beijing began to wake to modern warfare in the wake of the 1984-85 conflict, the PLA was a lumbering peasant army: its main tank was the 1950s-design T-55, the bloated 3.5 million-strong military lacked modern vehicles and arms, and the Air Force and Navy were barely capable of coastal defence.

The growth of the military budget — which, it bears mention, has consistently hovered around 2% of Gross Domestic Product, the global norm — has helped drag the PLA into the 20th century, but only just.

Paul Dibbs, an Australian defence expert, points out the country’s state-of-the-art Type 95 submarines will only be as stealthy as the 1980s Soviet titanium-hulled Akula-class. China’s Dong Feng 21D anti-ship ballistic missile has yet to hit a target moving at realistic speeds. Large parts of the Air Force and Navy are still made up of obsolescent types.

For years, the most critical challenge before the PLA has been transforming itself into a modern force. Impressive pay, promotion and education reforms have been made, though competition from China’s private sector has meant military service is far from the first career choice for the country’s brightest.

There are more than a few, moreover, who are sceptical of the combat qualities of this new cohort of PLA officers — products of China’s one-child policy, which spawned a generation derisively referred to as “Little Emperors”. PLA newspapers are replete with stories of new recruits using boarding-school tricks like spitting out red ink to avoid training.

“I’d hide under my blanket and cry every night,” former cadet Sun Youpeng, who joined the PLA after graduating from university at the age of 22, told Minnie Chan of the South China Morning Post in 2014.

Liu Mingfu, a scholar at China’s National Defence University, estimated in a 2012 report that 70% of the PLA’s troops were only sons — a number rising to 80% among combat troops. In a country with a growing cohort of aged people, with ancient cultural norms against sending only sons to war, the consequences could be significant, Liu noted.

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President Xi Jinping, since he took office in 2013, has urged the PLA several times to “prepare for combat”. PLA journals themselves, though, a RAND Corporation study for the United States Congress recorded in 2015, are “replete with references to problems in such areas as personnel, training, education, organisation, logistics and maintenance”. Despite the battle against endemic corruption in the PLA, few believe it has been wiped out.

“Let our field armies touch the buttocks of a tiger,” China’s Paramount Leader Deng Xiaoping reportedly said as he ordered the military to action in 1984, hoping to blood his troops and demonstrate “our military is still good enough”. The truth, however, was that Deng’s own economic reforms had brought about a crisis in the PLA. Xiaoming Zhang’s magisterial history of the China-Vietnam war notes that fewer soldiers joined the army during that decade than at any previous time — and were less than willing to die.

In some cases, the crisis of morale bred low farce: elements of the 67th Army, on their way out of Laoshan, demanded $ 1,500 from their 47th Army replacements for all intelligence on enemy positions and firepower. In another case, an armoured unit which did not receive care packages despatched its tanks to surround an infantry division headquarters and demand its share.

Like in India, there is no shortage of voices in China that appear not to see the distinction between strategic analysis and Wolf Warrior II: articles advocating short, sharp wars to settle the country’s border conflicts are commonplace in the media.

For serious Chinese thinkers, though, that line of action comes with serious risks: failure to achieve a decisive victory would not only embarrass the PLA, but also dent the credibility of the political leadership and encourage Beijing’s regional adversaries to engage in further acts of defiance. In the long term, China may indeed become a military adversary its regional adversaries will have to defer to — but that time is not now.

In 415 BC, Athenian hawks made the case for invading Sicily by insisting that “it has always been the law that the weaker should be subject to the stronger”, an argument that will be familiar in Beijing today. On the disaster that followed this hubris, the historian Thucydides wrote: “Sicily would fear us most if we never went there at all.” This, he explained, was because “that which is farthest off, and the reputation of which can least be tested, is the object of admiration”.

For China’s strategic community, these ought be words to ponder: in war, unlike films, the end of the story is impossible to script.
 
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Pinaka`s guided rockets will push into action, If required ..

Traditional rockets are used both during Kargil and Operation Parakram ..

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Gunners have anti-tank 155mm bonus rounds so does GPS guided rounds ..

India procured 155 mm Russian Guided munition - Krasnopol but as usual most of them were faulty and duds, probably the entire stock is phased out by now.View attachment 18931
 

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Published on Apr 29, 2017

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That`s why ..
In the first video if you check there was miles long army convey.

If Tibet is to be freed, international coalition needs to be formed to get freedom to Tibet. Tibetans should also make their own army and once there is opportunities, sneak into Tibet and start arms revolt.
 

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