LOC, LAC & IB skirmishs

[Bornubus]

If Nirbhay is active, that would be a godsend

Lol

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[Kazah]

Found this article on a Pakistani forum where kids play. The article speculates and hints that Indo china standoff and Guam issues are connected by meticulous planning of Doval and US defense department and focuses on modi shifting sides. Though the article has negative outlook towards Indian strategy right from beginning of the article but it still has few good points to make. We all should keep our eyes and mind open to understand any greater game being played. If that's the case here.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/has-narenda-modi-switched-sides/5603805

However, a well-placed Indian source with close ties to the Indian military forces noted to me in a recent private correspondence that shortly following Trump’s election in November last year, a senior US intelligence adviser to the Trump circles stated bluntly that there would not be a war between USA and China, but rather there would be a war between India and China across the Himalayas. That was in November at a time Doklam was completely quiet.

Dafuqq

 

[Akshay Fenix]

LOL If that were the case then why didn't you say it in November itself.

Well know source my ass.

 

[mahesh]

kya yaar...
fida kar chaley azadi ke din ...


now days the cloud burst is becoming common there.. something is really wrong with the climate.

Meanwhile can any one put light if Chinese have capability to produce aritificial rains/cloud seeding?

Cloud seeding technology is common to most of the countries. For instance in Karnataka its been taken as a option by state government from more thn a decade atleast. But as far as I know its done on the patches of clouds which has the potential to bare rain.
And cloud burst is whole lot different story.
In layman terms i can put it like this. - A pack of cards made to stand on stand on one another. And the top one falls and everything goes down on one another.

Cloudburnt mostly happens in particular locations, where there are huge mountains on most of the all sides and the with the raising hot air cloud has nowhere to go. It builds up it one place layer by layer (sort of) water molecules tank up to the max. The top layer starts to rain and everything goes loose. It rains literally like a bucket of water poured in one time.
So I guess it need a lot of efforts and a whole lot aircrafts to spray those whole lot of chemicals and make a cloud burnt which is a natural phenomenon.
And if chinese did so. It won't go without notice .

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[Mikesingh]

Rocket artillery are not meant to be accurate but to saturate a large area with cheaply produced HE rockets.

Except the Smerch which was the world's first multiple launch rocket system with guided missiles. It has a self-contained powered-flight phase control system which provides an increase in fire precision by a factor of two and in accuracy by a factor of three as compared to unguided rockets.

 

[Krusty]

Bhai log!!!

which one will happen first?
NK firing missile at guam or near abouts , triggering US response.
or
China initiating attack on us.

these days i have a feeling, both these ramblings are interconnected.

I don't think NK will fire anything. My Guess is that this is nothing more than the usual periodic rhetoric.

Let's wait and see.

 

[Project Dharma]

I don't think NK will fire anything. My Guess is that this is nothing more than the usual periodic rhetoric.

Let's wait and see.

The only variable in the American/N Korea equation is whether the buffoon they have as a President will fall for the rhetoric and press the big red button on his desk marked "Invasion".

 

[Krusty]

The only variable in the American/N Korea equation is whether the buffoon they have as a President will fall for the rhetoric and press the big red button on his desk marked "Invasion".

I had not taken Trump into the equation. I assumed that any American action would be a response to an Attack by NK.

I am not big on how the US Govt works, but can't Congress leash trump incase he decides to kick things off himself? Also, what about the deep state? I am assuming they have complete control.

 

[Mikesingh]

The only variable in the American/N Korea equation is whether the buffoon they have as a President will fall for the rhetoric and press the big red button on his desk marked "Invasion".

Difficult to say when two buffoons are squaring up against each other. Anything can happen!

 

[Project Dharma]

I had not taken Trump into the equation. I assumed that any American action would be a response to an Attack by NK.

I am not big on how the US Govt works, but can't Congress leash trump incase he decides to kick things off himself? Also, what about the deep state? I am assuming they have complete control.

Trump actually has broad executive powers to wage war if he deems it a threat to national security unless Congress explicitly reigns him in by passing a targeted bill for N Korea.

Not sure if the deep state is in control of Trump's actions. He seems like a wholly unpredictable narcissist to me.

 

[Mangal]

However, a well-placed Indian source with close ties to the Indian military forces noted to me in a recent private correspondence that shortly following Trump’s election in November last year, a senior US intelligence adviser to the Trump circles stated bluntly that there would not be a war between USA and China, but rather there would be a war between India and China across the Himalayas. That was in November at a time Doklam was completely quiet.

Dafuqq

Notice few steps taken by the India and countries which are openly allies of US.
India deployed tanks in June-July 2016
The Malabar excercise happens right at the time of Doklam issue.
British Royal navy ship tracks down and tails Chinese navy ships off the coast of thames.
I may be missing few other developments and all the moves may not seem to be connected but every one seems to be confronting Chinese aggressive behavior since past one year quite frequently and firmly. Nation states and their respective defense department plan everything well in advance with every move well planned out over the years. Take for example the 1971 liberation of Bangladesh. The RAW took a year before everything was set for final assault. From training mukti wahini, defense treaty with Russia and carrying false flag operations to ban paki planes over our skies. I am now inclined to think that a bigger game is being played here. I dare to say Cold war 2 has begun to limit China. The only difference is that India this time has chosen sides. The other difference is that Russia is sitting on the fence but it's won't be long before it sides along with China to serve it's national interests.

 

[Kazah]

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[Mikesingh]

But they have flatly refused TOT for manufacture of their F-16s blk 70/72 to India!! So much for all this bull of India becoming a 'major' defence partner of the US of A.

 

[lcafanboy]

Govt websites defaced by Indian hackers
The Newspaper's Staff ReporterAugust 15, 2017
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ISLAMABAD: A group of Indian hackers going by the moniker ‘Lulzsec India’ defaced the official websites of over a dozen ministries and government departments, including the Ministry of Information Technology, on Monday.

The official websites for the Cabinet Division, Establishment Division were among those affected, while the web pages for the following ministries had also been defaced: climate change, defence, defence production, law, energy, inter-provincial coordination, information technology, industries and production, national food security and research, parliamentary affairs, petroleum and natural resources, railways, religious affairs, states and frontier regions, and water resources.

The websites of other constitutional bodies, such as the Senate, National Assembly, Supreme Court, Election Commission of Pakistan and the provincial high courts, did not seem to be affected.

However, although the official websites of some ministries, such as commerce and textile, communications and foreign affairs did not appear to be defaced on Monday night, they were later taken offline by authorities.

Ministry of Information Technology Secretary Rizwan Bashir told Dawn that teams were working to rectify the hack, which had affected a total of 22 sites.

He said that some government websites were locally hosted and had not been affected by the hack. Those that were defaced would be taken offline and ‘Under Maintenance’ pages would be posted instead until the websites were finally restored.

A hacker using the screen name ‘r00t d3str0y3r’ claimed responsibility for the hack, and posted a Gif image of Indian soldiers at what appeared to be the Siachen glacier, bearing the message: “We Salute Indian Army”.

A message congratulating India on its 71st Independence Day on Aug 15 was also posted on the defaced sites.

All the defaced sites also featured a quote from the Bhagvad Gita: “You have a right to perform your prescribed duties, but you are not entitled to the fruits of your actions. Never consider yourself to be the cause of the results of your activities, nor be attached to inaction.”

‘Lulzsec India’ previously claimed responsibility for hacking Pakistani government websites in April this year, after a military court awarded the death sentence to Indian spy Kulbhushan Jadhav.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1351623/govt-websites-defaced-by-indian-hackers

 

[lcafanboy]

All the defaced sites also featured a quote from the Bhagvad Gita: “You have a right to perform your prescribed duties, but you are not entitled to the fruits of your actions. Never consider yourself to be the cause of the results of your activities, nor be attached to inaction.”

How UNISLAMIC. This is anti Islamic preaching Hinduism in Pakistan it needs a FAT WA ....

Indian hackers break into Pakistan govt websites on Independence Day

http://idrw.org/indian-hackers-break-into-pakistan-govt-websites-on-independence-day/ .

 

[Mikesingh]

Govt websites defaced by Indian hackers

ISLAMABAD: A group of Indian hackers going by the moniker ‘Lulzsec India’ defaced the official websites of over a dozen ministries and government departments, including the Ministry of Information Technology, on Monday.

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[lcafanboy]

Cobra fencing makes it too hot for cross-border intruders in Rajasthan
Published August 15, 2017 SOURCE: ENS

In terms of everyday activity, the Rajasthan border may not be as electric as the frontier in Jammu and Kashmir but it’s always a likely alternative crossing for infiltrators from Pakistan, especially when vigil by India is too hot along the northern borders. The present is just such a time, and BSF desks in Rajasthan frequently receive intel alerts of possible infiltration attempts by the desert route. Officers say there has been a palpable increase in Pakistani ranger activity along the border in Jaisalmer and Sriganganagar districts. “Intelligence inputs keep coming in at regular intervals suggesting that terrorists are looking at desert route to enter India,” said one officer. In line with the changing security scenario on the western border too, BSF is erecting high-voltage spike fencing in Rajasthan. The electric fence is called Cobra. A touch can be fatal for intruders. Cobra fencing has already been installed at some places in the Kishangarh area in Jaisalmer. Duly, the entire 1,070 km border (covering Jaisalmer, Sriganganagar, Bikaner and Barmer) will be electrified. Also on the anvil are the deployment of UAVs and CCTV cameras for more effective surveillance. Presently, UAVs are being used in Jammu and Kashmir and Punjab and occasionally Gujarat. Now the birds are due to be brought to Jaisalmer and Sriganganagar as well. BSF DIG Amit Lodha says: ”Given intelligence inpouts, constant vigil by BSF and state-of-the-art equipment, it will be an impossible for intruders to breach the fence.” To the most daring of interlopers, the desert is a formidable deterrent with water and food desperately scarce. Further, the flat and barren terrain affords a lot of visibility to border guards. But there’s been a change in the scenario in recent years. “Till a few years ago, this area may not have been conducive for infiltration. But not anymore. Terrorists are being trained for desert survival, to survive with minimum water and food,” says DIG Lodha. Stirring in the sand Although it has the reputation of being a quiet frontier, Rajasthan has seen several smuggling and infiltration attempts in recent years. In September 2006, BSF shot dead three terrorists who attempted to breach the fence in Sriganganagar. They were carrying explosives. In 2014, three youngsters aged 12-14 sneaked in through the fence. They had no terror links and were handed over to Pakistan Rangers. But the ease of their crossing set off alarms in the BSF. In 2014, terror boss Hafiz Saeed was spotted in Islamkot village just across the border near Jaisalmer.

http://idrw.org/cobra-fencing-makes-it-too-hot-for-cross-border-intruders-in-rajasthan/#more-144881 .

 

[Mikesingh]

Cobra fencing makes it too hot for cross-border intruders in Rajasthan
Published August 15, 2017 SOURCE: ENS
The electric fence is called Cobra. A touch can be fatal for intruders.

All you require is this.....

High voltage protective gloves and wire crimpers/cutters and you're through!

 

[lcafanboy]

China and India are reportedly preparing for full-scale war over a Himalayan border dispute

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping after a group picture a summit in Goa, India, October 16, 2016.Thomson Reuters

Chinese and Indian troops are readying themselves for a possible armed conflict in the event they fail in their efforts to achieve a peaceful resolution to their border dispute on the Doklam plateau in the Himalayas, observers said.


On Friday, India’s defence minister Arun Jaitley told parliament that the country’s armed forces are “prepared to take on any eventuality” of the stand-off, Indian Express reported the same day.

Sources close to the Chinese military, meanwhile, said that the People’s Liberation Army is increasingly aware of the possibility of war, but will aim to limit any conflict to the level of skirmishes, such as those contested by India and Pakistan in Kashmir.

“The PLA will not seek to fight a ground war with Indian troops early on. Instead it will deploy aircraft and strategic missiles to paralyse Indian mountain divisions stationed in the Himalayas on the border with China,” a military insider told the South China Morning Post on condition of anonymity, adding that he believes Indian troops will probably hold out for “no more than a week.”

Another military source said that officers and troops from the Western Theatre Command have already been told to prepare for war with India over the Doklam crisis.

“There is a voice within the army telling it to fight because it was Indian troops that intruded into Chinese territory in Donglang [Doklam],” the second source said. “Such a voice is supported by the public.”

Soldiers of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) of China in armored vehicles at Tiananmen Square during a military parade marking the 70th anniversary of the end of World War II, in Beijing, September 3, 2015 Reuters

Both sources said that China’s military believes any conflict will be controlled, and not spill over into other disputed areas, of which there are currently three along the 2,000km border between the two Asian giants.

However, Indian defence experts warned that once the first shot is fired, the conflict may escalate into full-scale war. That in turn could result in New Delhi blockading China’s maritime lifeline in the Indian Ocean.

“Any Chinese military adventurism will get a fitting reply from the Indian military,” Dr Rajeev Ranjan Chaturvedy, a research associate at the Institute of South Asian Studies at the National University of Singapore, told the Post.

“Certainly, it will be detrimental for both, but if Beijing escalates [the conflict], it will not be limited. Perhaps, it may extend to the maritime domain as well,” he said.

“If China engages in a military offensive against India, New Delhi will take all necessary measures ... [and will] respond to Chinese actions in its own way. Why only a border war? It could escalate to a full-scale India-China war,” he said.

Employees stand in front of the Indian navy's first Scorpene submarine before being undocked from Mazagon Docks, a naval-vessel ship-building yard, in Mumbai, April 6, 2015. REUTERS/Shailesh Andrade/File

Rajeswari Rajagopalan, a defence analyst from the Observer Research Foundation think tank in New Delhi, said that “in the event of a full-scale war, definitely India’s navy will prevent the Chinese navy from moving into the Bay of Bengal or the Indian Ocean.”

China is heavily reliant on imported fuel and, according to figures published by state media, more than 80 per cent of its oil imports travel via the Indian Ocean or Strait of Malacca.

Beijing-based naval expert Li Jie said that India in 2010 established a naval base in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, close to the Strait of Malacca, where the narrowest sea channel is just 1.7km wide.

“Since 2010, India has also upgraded two airstrips on the islands to serve fighters and reconnaissance aircraft,” he said.

“All these moves pave the way for India to be able to blockade Chinese military and commercial ships from entering the Indian Ocean in the event of a naval conflict between the two countries.”

Christopher Woody/Google Maps

In July, India, the United States and Japan completed their 10-day Malabar 2017 naval exercise in the Bay of Bengal, while around the same time the US approved the US$365-million sale of military transport aircraft to India and a US$2-billion deal for surveillance drones.

As a result, the Indian navy now has eight Boeing P-8A Poseidon submarine hunters patrolling in the Indian Ocean.

Chinese and Indian troops fought a war in 1962 after a series of skirmishes heightened tensions on the border. That conflict ended largely in a stalemate, despite China’s large military advantage.

However, Chaturvedy said that India has learnt lessons from its past mistakes and is now better prepared to defend itself against China.

Macau-based military expert Antony Wong Dong said that both sides have underestimated each other.

“If the border conflict expands to the sea, it will be very difficult for the PLA to defeat the Indian navy, whose capabilities are much stronger after the purchase of the P-8A Poseidon submarine hunters,” he said.
http://www.businessinsider.com/chin...aring-for-war-over-border-dispute-2017-8?IR=T

 

[aditya10r]

China and India are reportedly preparing for full-scale war over a Himalayan border dispute

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping after a group picture a summit in Goa, India, October 16, 2016.Thomson Reuters

Chinese and Indian troops are readying themselves for a possible armed conflict in the event they fail in their efforts to achieve a peaceful resolution to their border dispute on the Doklam plateau in the Himalayas, observers said.


On Friday, India’s defence minister Arun Jaitley told parliament that the country’s armed forces are “prepared to take on any eventuality” of the stand-off, Indian Express reported the same day.

Sources close to the Chinese military, meanwhile, said that the People’s Liberation Army is increasingly aware of the possibility of war, but will aim to limit any conflict to the level of skirmishes, such as those contested by India and Pakistan in Kashmir.

“The PLA will not seek to fight a ground war with Indian troops early on. Instead it will deploy aircraft and strategic missiles to paralyse Indian mountain divisions stationed in the Himalayas on the border with China,” a military insider told the South China Morning Post on condition of anonymity, adding that he believes Indian troops will probably hold out for “no more than a week.”

Another military source said that officers and troops from the Western Theatre Command have already been told to prepare for war with India over the Doklam crisis.

“There is a voice within the army telling it to fight because it was Indian troops that intruded into Chinese territory in Donglang [Doklam],” the second source said. “Such a voice is supported by the public.”

Soldiers of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) of China in armored vehicles at Tiananmen Square during a military parade marking the 70th anniversary of the end of World War II, in Beijing, September 3, 2015 Reuters

Both sources said that China’s military believes any conflict will be controlled, and not spill over into other disputed areas, of which there are currently three along the 2,000km border between the two Asian giants.

However, Indian defence experts warned that once the first shot is fired, the conflict may escalate into full-scale war. That in turn could result in New Delhi blockading China’s maritime lifeline in the Indian Ocean.

“Any Chinese military adventurism will get a fitting reply from the Indian military,” Dr Rajeev Ranjan Chaturvedy, a research associate at the Institute of South Asian Studies at the National University of Singapore, told the Post.

“Certainly, it will be detrimental for both, but if Beijing escalates [the conflict], it will not be limited. Perhaps, it may extend to the maritime domain as well,” he said.

“If China engages in a military offensive against India, New Delhi will take all necessary measures ... [and will] respond to Chinese actions in its own way. Why only a border war? It could escalate to a full-scale India-China war,” he said.

Employees stand in front of the Indian navy's first Scorpene submarine before being undocked from Mazagon Docks, a naval-vessel ship-building yard, in Mumbai, April 6, 2015. REUTERS/Shailesh Andrade/File

Rajeswari Rajagopalan, a defence analyst from the Observer Research Foundation think tank in New Delhi, said that “in the event of a full-scale war, definitely India’s navy will prevent the Chinese navy from moving into the Bay of Bengal or the Indian Ocean.”

China is heavily reliant on imported fuel and, according to figures published by state media, more than 80 per cent of its oil imports travel via the Indian Ocean or Strait of Malacca.

Beijing-based naval expert Li Jie said that India in 2010 established a naval base in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, close to the Strait of Malacca, where the narrowest sea channel is just 1.7km wide.

“Since 2010, India has also upgraded two airstrips on the islands to serve fighters and reconnaissance aircraft,” he said.

“All these moves pave the way for India to be able to blockade Chinese military and commercial ships from entering the Indian Ocean in the event of a naval conflict between the two countries.”

Christopher Woody/Google Maps

In July, India, the United States and Japan completed their 10-day Malabar 2017 naval exercise in the Bay of Bengal, while around the same time the US approved the US$365-million sale of military transport aircraft to India and a US$2-billion deal for surveillance drones.

As a result, the Indian navy now has eight Boeing P-8A Poseidon submarine hunters patrolling in the Indian Ocean.

Chinese and Indian troops fought a war in 1962 after a series of skirmishes heightened tensions on the border. That conflict ended largely in a stalemate, despite China’s large military advantage.

However, Chaturvedy said that India has learnt lessons from its past mistakes and is now better prepared to defend itself against China.

Macau-based military expert Antony Wong Dong said that both sides have underestimated each other.

“If the border conflict expands to the sea, it will be very difficult for the PLA to defeat the Indian navy, whose capabilities are much stronger after the purchase of the P-8A Poseidon submarine hunters,” he said.
http://www.businessinsider.com/chin...aring-for-war-over-border-dispute-2017-8?IR=T

Yeh business insiders walon ne kya phoonka hai bhai???