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MODS @pmaitra ther is another thread started by @roma on the same issue please close this one.
my thread was posted forst
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/search/5531934/

i received a pm email about whether i think there will be a war .... well i for sure think there wil ll be some kind of limited conflict .... and that is because it is now a "show" wherer we have an "audience" ..... gennerally speaking the audience is the entire world but in particular the audience is the asean countried plus perhaps australia and japan

india is inviting 10 aseans members for replublic day next year .....and that is just a few months away .... now imagine if they come to an indian vctory ? or otoh , and indian loss of face - how will the differene be

even if it is a stalemate where bothe sides claim victory - much like the china vietnam war but pof course without china or indian troops going either direction - so both sides will clamim victory

that is the scenario that i envision as the most likely outcome and axctually the best outcome ---- actually it were better that india reduce troops and in image back down but in reality does not ...i.e. keep troops nearby reduce troops to almost nil in doklam but also achieves it si opbjective of no road wile china gets to look decent in the worlds image

but if china insists on building that road - then it is gonna be the beginnign stages of ww3 - not at one go of course but it will be a hard mark from which there can be no backing down and the consequesces could go anywhere from there

i therefore urge the indian MEA to negotiatie for a withdrawal of troops but with observation post nearby and lots of troops nearby and china to give quiet undertaking not to build that road - Indian troops must not vaate the nearby region and keep all eyes inculding eyes from space on the china troop movements
 

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If there was a MilOP against the world's third largest standing army with an active nuclear triad scheduled for 2 weeks, they wouldn't talk about it in the press. Certainly no PLA desk clerk would risk his career/life over revealing that to Global Times.

This whole report is the wet dream of some Global Times 50-cent warrior bucking for promotion. I've known/spoken to these guys, and even won debate certificates from them on DFI's behalf. I know them.

The endgame is Indian and Chinese troops stare and occasionally get touchy-feely with eachother until November, when Xi can consolidate some more political power in Beijing. After that everyone will go home citing winter.
 

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Special envoys have no role on Doklam standoff, China tells India


China’s stand comes in the backdrop of a meeting in Beijing between India NSA Ajit Doval and his Chinese counterpart, state councillor Yang Jiechi
Elizabeth Roche

State councillor Yang Jiechi had conveyed China’s firm stand to NSA Ajit Doval that India must take ‘concrete actions’ by immediately pulling back troops, with ‘no strings attached’, to resolve the Doklam standoff. Photo: Pradeep Gaur/Mint
New Delhi: China has told India that the special envoys of the two countries on border issues have no role to play in resolving the Doklam standoff, two people familiar with the developments said.

This, according to Beijing, is because it considers the border at Sikkim to be settled by an 1890 pact signed between Britain, India’s then colonial ruler, and China. China’s stance is said to have been conveyed to India recently, the first person familiar with the development said, requesting anonymity.

New Delhi, however, has not accepted Beijing’s contention as it views the status of Sikkim as settled—that is, as part of India. But New Delhi views the Sikkim boundary as yet to be demarcated between China and India. This means discussions on this segment of the boundary falls within the remit of talks on all the disputed parts of the India-China frontier between the special representatives, the second person said, also asking not to be named.

Tensions between the neighbours have been high since 16 June, with Bhutan objecting to an attempt by Chinese troops to build a road on the Doklam plateau. Indian troops stationed in Bhutan under a special security arrangement then intervened to keep Chinese troops at bay, triggering the face-off.

The Chinese position comes in the backdrop of a meeting in Beijing between India’s special representative on border talks, national security adviser Ajit Doval, and his Chinese counterpart, state councillor Yang Jiechi. Doval met Jiechi while on a visit to Beijing for a meeting of the national security advisors of Brazil-Russia-India-China-South Africa group of emerging economies on 26-27 July.



A PTI report from Beijing said that China’s Yang conveyed Beijing’s firm stand to Doval that India must take “concrete actions” by immediately pulling back troops from the Doklam plateau with “no strings attached” to resolve the standoff.

According to Srikanth Kondapalli, a professor of Chinese Studies at the Delhi-based Jawaharlal Nehru University, China’s move to convey to New Delhi that the special representatives have no role to discuss the Doklam standoff is aimed at buttressing its demand that India move back its troops from the plateau before Beijing agrees to any talks with India on the subject.

“Whenever we had problems in this area (Sikkim) in the past, it has been discussed in the context of the border dispute,” Kondapalli said. “China’s move is aimed at not providing any scope for discussion before India fulfils its demand of pulling back its troops from Doklam. This is untenable from India’s point of view,” he said.

“This also seems to be aimed at provoking India but India is unlikely to respond beyond what it has already said, which is that its troops are in Bhutan in response to its commitment to security to Bhutan and that India’s security is also affected by the Chinese presence in Doklam,” Kondapalli said.

Last week, in a statement to Parliament, foreign minister Sushma Swaraj said that points along the boundary that fall at the tri-junction of India, China and third countries—in this case Bhutan—would be settled in consultation among all three countries. This was as per an understanding reached by the special representatives between India and China in 2012, Swaraj said in her statement.



“With regard to the boundary in the Sikkim sector there are still steps to be covered before the boundary is finalized,” the minister said in her statement adding that there was “mutual agreement on the basis of the alignment of the India-China border in the Sikkim sector as provided by the convention between China and Great Britain relating to Tibet and Sikkim signed in 1890.”

Against the backdrop of the minister’s statement, Kondapalli said, “I don’t think India is likely to say anything more publicly on the subject but go on with quiet diplomacy that it is engaged in with China.”

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/g3...e-no-role-on-Doklam-standoff-China-tells.html
 

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emerging power? with copied, reverse engineered defense product? these bastard chinese have money, that they made from cheap 3rd grade selling products. they don't have a single brand coming out from china. they are a theif country and the population are rape childs of japanese imperial army. @nimo_cn do you know who is father is?
don't do personal attack on forum members
 

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Special envoys have no role on Doklam standoff, China tells India


China’s stand comes in the backdrop of a meeting in Beijing between India NSA Ajit Doval and his Chinese counterpart, state councillor Yang Jiechi
Elizabeth Roche

State councillor Yang Jiechi had conveyed China’s firm stand to NSA Ajit Doval that India must take ‘concrete actions’ by immediately pulling back troops, with ‘no strings attached’, to resolve the Doklam standoff. Photo: Pradeep Gaur/Mint
New Delhi: China has told India that the special envoys of the two countries on border issues have no role to play in resolving the Doklam standoff, two people familiar with the developments said.

This, according to Beijing, is because it considers the border at Sikkim to be settled by an 1890 pact signed between Britain, India’s then colonial ruler, and China. China’s stance is said to have been conveyed to India recently, the first person familiar with the development said, requesting anonymity.

New Delhi, however, has not accepted Beijing’s contention as it views the status of Sikkim as settled—that is, as part of India. But New Delhi views the Sikkim boundary as yet to be demarcated between China and India. This means discussions on this segment of the boundary falls within the remit of talks on all the disputed parts of the India-China frontier between the special representatives, the second person said, also asking not to be named.

Tensions between the neighbours have been high since 16 June, with Bhutan objecting to an attempt by Chinese troops to build a road on the Doklam plateau. Indian troops stationed in Bhutan under a special security arrangement then intervened to keep Chinese troops at bay, triggering the face-off.

The Chinese position comes in the backdrop of a meeting in Beijing between India’s special representative on border talks, national security adviser Ajit Doval, and his Chinese counterpart, state councillor Yang Jiechi. Doval met Jiechi while on a visit to Beijing for a meeting of the national security advisors of Brazil-Russia-India-China-South Africa group of emerging economies on 26-27 July.



A PTI report from Beijing said that China’s Yang conveyed Beijing’s firm stand to Doval that India must take “concrete actions” by immediately pulling back troops from the Doklam plateau with “no strings attached” to resolve the standoff.

According to Srikanth Kondapalli, a professor of Chinese Studies at the Delhi-based Jawaharlal Nehru University, China’s move to convey to New Delhi that the special representatives have no role to discuss the Doklam standoff is aimed at buttressing its demand that India move back its troops from the plateau before Beijing agrees to any talks with India on the subject.

“Whenever we had problems in this area (Sikkim) in the past, it has been discussed in the context of the border dispute,” Kondapalli said. “China’s move is aimed at not providing any scope for discussion before India fulfils its demand of pulling back its troops from Doklam. This is untenable from India’s point of view,” he said.

“This also seems to be aimed at provoking India but India is unlikely to respond beyond what it has already said, which is that its troops are in Bhutan in response to its commitment to security to Bhutan and that India’s security is also affected by the Chinese presence in Doklam,” Kondapalli said.

Last week, in a statement to Parliament, foreign minister Sushma Swaraj said that points along the boundary that fall at the tri-junction of India, China and third countries—in this case Bhutan—would be settled in consultation among all three countries. This was as per an understanding reached by the special representatives between India and China in 2012, Swaraj said in her statement.



“With regard to the boundary in the Sikkim sector there are still steps to be covered before the boundary is finalized,” the minister said in her statement adding that there was “mutual agreement on the basis of the alignment of the India-China border in the Sikkim sector as provided by the convention between China and Great Britain relating to Tibet and Sikkim signed in 1890.”

Against the backdrop of the minister’s statement, Kondapalli said, “I don’t think India is likely to say anything more publicly on the subject but go on with quiet diplomacy that it is engaged in with China.”

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/g3...e-no-role-on-Doklam-standoff-China-tells.html
Issue is already solved. There won't be any road. Chinese can roll back without getting whipped. And for gods sake Chinese should stop crying like a sissy.
 

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then we should light the fire in tibet and xinjiang. let these commies die in terrorism. afterall these bastard chinese also don't agree that masooz is a terrorist.
never underestimate ur enemy and plan things very very carefully if ur enemy is 5times bigger then u.
90% of ur media is run by Chinese funded left wing . 7 States of ur are living hell for security forces(Maoist are also funded by Chinese) near about all terror outfit's in NE are also funded by them. they are also running a bankrupt country in ur neighbour just to control u.
in short jinnke ghar shishe ke hote hai vo dusro pe patthar nahi marte
 

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@moni_26, I agree with @aliyah. He has stated good points.

We all do understand that IA is well trained, at advantage positions, while China even cant fight with its full power due to US lurking in SCS and waiting for an opportunity to strIke with full force. Now, I dont mean that we have to back off or we have to obey China. But I state that we need to give respect to our enemies.

What happened to the narrative of one muslim soldiers is equal to ten hindu soldiers!?

Do remember, China has huge influence on many countries due to its economic ties. There is an article posted couple of Pages ago on how china had dealt with countries using its economic might. It is a nice article, do read it.
 

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Do remember, China has huge influence on many countries due to its economic ties. There is an article posted couple of Pages ago on how china had dealt with countries using its economic might. It is a nice article, do read it.
Chinese are currently banning there companies from investing money overseas. There economic might is not that convincing if they have to resort to such puny tactics to keep their debt bubble from bursting.

Just yesterday Trump raped xi the Pooh into submission. China approved sanctions on it's munna north Korea. Trump whipped the chinkies and they abandoned their precious ally.( Porkies must be taking note.) While India stands up for it's ally at the border.

Decide yourself who deserves respect.
 

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Chinese are currently banning there companies from investing money overseas. There economic might is not that convincing if they have to resort to such puny tactics to keep their debt bubble from bursting.

Just yesterday Trump raped xi the Pooh into submission. China approved sanctions on it's munna north Korea. Trump whipped the chinkies and they abandoned their precious ally.( Porkies must be taking note.) While India stands up for it's ally at the border.

Decide yourself who deserves respect.
No matter what, I'd respect my enemy. I'll not let my over confidence take over me and repeat David and Goliath story.

Well, sanctions on NK is a good sign.

CPC might be getting ready for a bit action after lot of words(I could be wrong too).
 

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Are Pakistanis going to take advantage of this near war situation in Sikkim. If you read the Chinese psycho -warfare propaganda then shooting all initiated by Chinese will break out in two weeks or three.
 

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Are Pakistanis going to take advantage of this near war situation in Sikkim. If you read the Chinese psycho -warfare propaganda then shooting all initiated by Chinese will break out in two weeks or three.
They will do dialogue after elections and Chinese will retreat. There are elections happening soon in China. They want an issue. This is international politics which effect domestic politics. This also happens in Pakistan, India, US Russia every where.
 

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News of some deal on LOC from SJha.

Who's saving the face.
I say the minute things go back to normal or kind of statuesque. Chinese propose a new threat with better calculation this time. They will be arguing to give back what they got.


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