LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Satish Sharma]

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F15E and su30 mki also 4th gen
F14 also 4th gen
Mig 21 3rd gen
mig 23 3rd gen
If you consider all these Lca lies in b/w 3rd & 4th
4th gen f18 getting gan fcr, making lca 4- get or 3+++
Now tell me in which catagory lca lies, 3rd or 4th gen, what about mk1a ?? and super tejas with cats, 5.5 gen ??
how rafale and eft, 4th gen beat mig35 & sh in mmrca ??
if currently upgraded m2k is 4th gen, the old ones were 3rd gen, same goes to mig29, then what is the difference b/w mig21 vs m2k/mig29 ??

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I said Tejas mk1a is 4+ generation

 

[Blademaster]

No, its 4gen
For ex- F35 is a 5.5 gen, but currently having issues and all flying ioc version
By design f16 is 4gen and lca is 4.5 gen, but fighter jet development is a complex process
Its not US fault japan developed 4.5 gen with aesa tech and EU developed 4.5 gen insisted of 5gen
Don't f22 use GaAs and consider it as 5th gen, not 4.5 th gen
Biggest difference b/w 3rd & 4th are FCS not the sensor
You can upgrade mig21 or f4 with aesa tech, but still its considered as 3rd gen or 3+++ gen

F-35 is a 5th gen fighter not a 5.5 gen fighter

 

[johnj]

I said Tejas mk1a is 4+ generation

LCA tejas is bigger failure than tapas, DRDO labs failed to develop MMR and engine etc
LCA is a 4.5 gen engine by design, but failed to meet requirement mainly due to the failure of Kaveri engine F404 is less advanced and less powerful engine, it is chosen only to develop TD and PT, and all SP model intended to come with more advanced and more powerful kaveri engine Yes, consider the current engine LCA is 4th gen, HAL can convert 4th gen LCA into 4.5 gen by replacing F404 with EJ200
LCA mk1a is like a jv b/w Israel and HAL, and use Israel tech in the place of DRDO tech

 

[Coalmine]

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[johnj]

F-35 is a 5th gen fighter not a 5.5 gen fighter

F35 is half a gen ahead of F22, with more advanced sensor and sensor fusion suite plus highly advanced and mature stealth tech
Also I read in SF forum, all F35 currently flying comes under IOC standard, TR3 and next blockm of F35 comes with more advanced [next gen] hardware including MCs, FCR, EOTS, hence from my point of view F35 is half a gen ahead of F22, and comes under 5.5 gen category

 

[Satish Sharma]

F-35 is a 5th gen fighter not a 5.5 gen fighter

Chill dude he is defining what is 4th generation & what is 5th generation. So listen to the master

 

[Satish Sharma]

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LCA tejas is bigger failure than tapas, DRDO labs failed to develop MMR and engine etc
LCA is a 4.5 gen engine by design, but failed to meet requirement mainly due to the failure of Kaveri engine F404 is less advanced and less powerful engine, it is chosen only to develop TD and PT, and all SP model intended to come with more advanced and more powerful kaveri engine Yes, consider the current engine LCA is 4th gen, HAL can convert 4th gen LCA into 4.5 gen by replacing F404 with EJ200
LCA mk1a is like a jv b/w Israel and HAL, and use Israel tech in the place of DRDO tech

Wtf dude how will kaveri make Tejas 4.5 generation aircraft and who TF told you Tejas is underpowered do u even know how much thrust does india specific variants of ge f404 makes it's 89.8kn or 90kn.
How is it underpowered then. Iaf always wanted a 90kn engine.. who told u this?? And how will kaveri engine make Tejas 4.5 generation aircraft..
And which tech is of Israel used radar it is going to replaced by indigeneous uttam aesa which turned out to be more capable in testing..ASPJ jammers pod and ew suit of of drdo..

What ej200 nonsense..
One just cannot put any engine is any aircraft the air intakes play a crucial role and many other things .
ge f404 was similar to kaveri in many parameters.
Also engine diameter plays a crucial role ..
Dude there are well qualified air marshals who are deciding what to do. If f404 was underpowered and f414 was possible they would have brought it way back but that's not how it works it is not that easy.
You can't even put one car's engine into others here this is abt jet engine..

 

[Satish Sharma]

There are some 4 gen aircrafts like f16 block60/62 which has rss design, fly by wire systems,multi functional display, DFCS is it digital flight control systems) will they be called as 4.5 generation or actual 4.5 generation who has all this thing with MAWS , sensors fusion, FLIR et etc aircraft who has this is called a 4.5 gen aircraft. And they are rafale typhoon...

Read this fellaaa

 

[Satish Sharma]

F35 is half a gen ahead of F22, with more advanced sensor and sensor fusion suite plus highly advanced and mature stealth tech
Also I read in SF forum, all F35 currently flying comes under IOC standard, TR3 and next blockm of F35 comes with more advanced [next gen] hardware including MCs, FCR, EOTS, hence from my point of view F35 is half a gen ahead of F22, and comes under 5.5 gen category

Did you decide what is 5th gen features and what is 5.5 gen who gave you ?? literally speaks anything

 

[johnj]

Wtf dude how will kaveri make Tejas 4.5 generation aircraft and who TF told you Tejas is underpowered do u even know how much thrust does india specific variants of ge f404 makes it's 89.8kn or 90kn.
How is it underpowered then. Iaf always wanted a 90kn engine.. who told u this?? And how will kaveri engine make Tejas 4.5 generation aircraft..
And which tech is of Israel used radar it is going to replaced by indigeneous uttam aesa which turned out to be more capable in testing..ASPJ jammers pod and ew suit of of drdo..

What ej200 nonsense..

NOW YOU LAUGHING AT / MAKING FUN OF IAF
Its the IAF itself declared f404 is underpowered and shown interest in EJ200
Read LCA tejas mk2 thread and this thread first and IAF requirement for kaveri engine or news from 2006 ~ 10 - its crystal clear IAF rejected f404 tejas
Also HAL mk1a comes with Israel MFR and other sensor suite, EW suite, weapons, HMD etc also how you comes to the conclusion that Israel systems is inferior to DRDOs
DRDO make huge bluffs and highly exaggerate by saying their system is betterthan others, like this

Israel already selling GaN radars, also phalcon radar is superior to netra aaau - also US denied sale of elm2052 to india, means there is no way drdo can compare uttam with elm2052, but we can get some data in 2028 from IAF
All the mk1a under going production now comes with israel radar not drdo fcr, and status of drdo uttam and aspj is unknown

 

[johnj]

Did you decide what is 5th gen features and what is 5.5 gen who gave you ?? literally speaks anything

Yes, from the info provided by ITI student doing PG in mech egg, fluid dynamics, 5~6 years back

 

[johnj]

Read this fellaaa

 

[johnj]

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[johnj]

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[Satish Sharma]

NOW YOU LAUGHING AT / MAKING FUN OF IAF
Its the IAF itself declared f404 is underpowered and shown interest in EJ200
Read LCA tejas mk2 thread and this thread first and IAF requirement for kaveri engine or news from 2006 ~ 10 - its crystal clear IAF rejected f404 tejas
Also HAL mk1a comes with Israel MFR and other sensor suite, EW suite, weapons, HMD etc also how you comes to the conclusion that Israel systems is inferior to DRDOs
DRDO make huge bluffs and highly exaggerate by saying their system is betterthan others, like this
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Israel already selling GaN radars, also phalcon radar is superior to netra aaau - also US denied sale of elm2052 to india, means there is no way drdo can compare uttam with elm2052, but we can get some data in 2028 from IAF
All the mk1a under going production now comes with israel radar not drdo fcr, and status of drdo uttam and aspj is unknown

Dude at that time the 75kn ge f404 engine was used in 2006. after that there have been alot of development and constant improvements now variant used is 89kn. I though u might bring articles 2005.. status of ASPJ wtf dude it already tested there are photos of flight.. with ASPJ
And ew is not Israeli origin everything is drdo developed take RWR or jammers.. Israel might have helped in development but no such
Thing is public..
I think one FOC Tejas is already converted to mk1a standards and has elm 2052 how will usa deny the sales to india as it's an israeli radar..
Who said phalcon radar is superior to netra the newer netra is having GaN..
Ignore that (retd)captain
netra fulfils Indias requirements

 

[johnj]

Wtf dude how will kaveri make Tejas 4.5 generation aircraft and who TF told you Tejas is underpowered do u even know how much thrust does india specific variants of ge f404 makes it's 89.8kn or 90kn.
How is it underpowered then. Iaf always wanted a 90kn engine.. who told u this?? And how will kaveri engine make Tejas 4.5 generation aircraft..
And which tech is of Israel used radar it is going to replaced by indigeneous uttam aesa which turned out to be more capable in testing..ASPJ jammers pod and ew suit of of drdo..

What ej200 nonsense..
One just cannot put any engine is any aircraft the air intakes play a crucial role and many other things .
ge f404 was similar to kaveri in many parameters.
Also engine diameter plays a crucial role ..
Dude there are well qualified air marshals who are deciding what to do. If f404 was underpowered and f414 was possible they would have brought it way back but that's not how it works it is not that easy.
You can't even put one car's engine into others here this is abt jet engine..

FROM THE FIRST PAGE OF MK2 THREAD

 

[SKC]

Jhopadi walo!

Yeh discussion chitchat thread par karlo! Jab decide ho jaye kaun 4th gen hai, kaun 5th and kaun 3rd tab yahan aana.

 

[Pandora]

Ok here a news from my uncle who is in airforce as JCO in southern command said LCAMK1a already assembled only few checks going on due to new articles in plane. Any one has source in HAL for photo as it's out of hanger now.

 

[NutCracker]

Dude at that time the 75kn ge f404 engine was used in 2006. after that there have been alot of development and constant improvements now variant used is 89kn. I though u might bring articles 2005.. status of ASPJ wtf dude it already tested there are photos of flight.. with ASPJ
And ew is not Israeli origin everything is drdo developed take RWR or jammers.. Israel might have helped in development but no such
Thing is public..
I think one FOC Tejas is already converted to mk1a standards and has elm 2052 how will usa deny the sales to india as it's an israeli radar..
Who said phalcon radar is superior to netra the newer netra is having GaN..
Ignore that (retd)captain
netra fulfils Indias requirements

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Do you have any proof about IN20 having certified 89kN thrust ?

In which batch did we order 89kN variant.

 

[patriots]

Ok here a news from my uncle who is in airforce as JCO in southern command said LCAMK1a already assembled only few checks going on due to new articles in plane. Any one has source in HAL for photo as it's out of hanger now.

Anantha Krishan m had already said tejas mk1 a is in its final equipping stage

No photo till now