LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

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India will have to swallow bitter pill, there is no other way out then your own engine. It is only drama and will intensify with each passing year.

You dont help your budding rival. Massage is loud and clear.
Partnering with US companies is almost equivalent to trading your soul with the devil. Everything they do has ulterior motives. Heavy reliance on the US industries will almost certainly destroy India's indigenous defense capabilities, which I suspect is what the US wants.

While at my job, apart from being refused to witness the blade fitment process, we were not even allowed to see things as essential as the alignment of the shaft assembly or even provided with a basic manual describing what was what.

Essentially everything was a black box to us, we just learned to start the turbine and clean the ducts and the coolers and I suspect this is what might be happening with weapon systems being provided to the Indian military.
 

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Partnering with US companies is almost equivalent to trading your soul with the devil. Everything they do has ulterior motives. Heavy reliance on the US industries will almost certainly destroy India's indigenous defense capabilities, which I suspect is what the US wants.

While at my job, apart from being refused to witness the blade fitment process, we were not even allowed to see things as essential as the alignment of the shaft assembly or even provided with a basic manual describing what was what.

Essentially everything was a black box to us, we just learned to start the turbine and clean the ducts and the coolers and I suspect this is what might be happening with weapon systems being provided to the Indian military.
We are not future rivals of Americans.
Just ask yourself will Americans have enought strength to take on both india, china & don't forget Russia.. NO..
They want some more orders of other equipments as well.. they want to arm twist india..they need india for future india doesn't see them as Chinese do. We see them as a big trading partner, leverage over Russia and alot more
Anyone with basic will tell US cannot take on india china Russia at once. And india is becoming even more stronger and stronger infact we are going to become a very large economy in some decades...
Americans have some interests which are not fullfiled I see this drama happening after army dropped it's 11 Apache order plan.. 8 are enough even air force chief has said no need to import any such attack helicopters india is self reliant now.. or it could be other American interests which they want to be fullfiled... Even we can see some statements from India over brics currency after this punnu kalesh...
 

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We are not future rivals of Americans.
Really? Guaranteed by who?
India's role in the eyes of US politicians is not decided by what you or me believe, but India's strength (economic and military). India had been the list of US enemies since cold war, that is why Pakistan had been one of top receivers of US economic/military aid.
Actually, India is still US's potential enemy even today, for the sake of competition against China, US decides to ignore it for NOW.
 

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Really? Guaranteed by who?
India's role in the eyes of US politicians is not decided by what you or me believe, but India's strength (economic and military). India had been the list of US enemies since cold war, that is why Pakistan had been one of top receivers of US economic/military aid.
Actually, India is still US's potential enemy even today, for the sake of competition against China, US decides to ignore it for NOW.
Usa no longer supports Pakistanis militarily, they did not got f16s ,they did not got upgrades for f16, they did not got Turkish attack helicopter because usa denied engines , usa denied awacs, don't live In 2010. There have been alot changes now..
Usa can't to take on china india Russia at once it's a declining power world is becoming multipolar.. usa will need india in future it is not gonna be that strong to alone counter Russians Chinese &. Indians..
Usa is doing such kands because they want to arm twist india. They want a regime change that's it that is not a treatment of enemy..
 

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Turkey with all its issues with US seems to be doing fine. They have asked for green light to manufacture GE F110 engine. Let's see if they get the permission or not. US hasn't said "No" yet.
 

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Turkey with all its issues with US seems to be doing fine. They have asked for green light to manufacture GE F110 engine. Let's see if they get the permission or not. US hasn't said "No" yet.
They are getting alot from NATO. They are part of NATO.. there is alot of cooperation with European firms.. there attack helicopter is tot for 3 billion from Italy...
 

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Usa no longer supports Pakistanis militarily, they did not got f16s ,they did not got upgrades for f16, they did not got Turkish attack helicopter because usa denied engines , usa denied awacs, don't live In 2010. There have been alot changes now..
Usa can't to take on china india Russia at once it's a declining power world is becoming multipolar.. usa will need india in future it is not gonna be that strong to alone counter Russians Chinese &. Indians..
Usa is doing such kands because they want to arm twist india. They want a regime change that's it that is not a treatment of enemy..
Biden administration approves $450 mn F-16 fleet programme to Pakistan
Pakistan Air Force receives AEW&C radar equipment from Saab
Don't forget under US law, Pakistan is a major non nato ally of usa and Pak can still buy ah1z & f16bk52 by paying full amount without any discount.
''Turkish attack helicopter because usa denied engines'' - same things also can happen with ge engines
 

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Biden administration approves $450 mn F-16 fleet programme to Pakistan
Pakistan Air Force receives AEW&C radar equipment from Saab
Don't forget under US law, Pakistan is a major non nato ally of usa and Pak can still buy ah1z & f16bk52 by paying full amount without any discount.
''Turkish attack helicopter because usa denied engines'' - same things also can happen with ge engines
First of all 500 million package is to maintain f16 it was not for any weapon..usa cannot ground any ones f16s. Pakistanis is not getting any ah1z &f16 upgrades that's why they are going for j10. And z10me attack helicopter..
This 450million is liquid oxygen dhikh se jine bhi nhi dengi or Shanti se marne bhi nhi dengi....
If indias buys some commercial Saab commerical local air liners then definetely future Saab sales can be stopped to Pakistan... Pakistan is not getting any new missiles it will still rely on those aim120 whose shelf life is already over....
 

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First of all 500 million package is to maintain f16 it was not for any weapon..usa cannot ground any ones f16s. Pakistanis is not getting any ah1z &f16 upgrades that's why they are going for j10. And z10me attack helicopter..
This 450million is liquid oxygen dhikh se jine bhi nhi dengi or Shanti se marne bhi nhi dengi....
If indias buys some commercial Saab commerical local air liners then definetely future Saab sales can be stopped to Pakistan... Pakistan is not getting any new missiles it will still rely on those aim120 whose shelf life is already over....
450million is not a small amount, its huge considering 100+ f16 in paf with zero modification & its free
F16 costs 60+ million $ without weapons & j10 around 40mil $ & US weapons offer better quality over russian, means still very good and US ensures the quality for aim for future
We pay hard cash to buy US weapons like a customer but Pak gets US weapons for free or lower amounts like son/daughter or family member, huge difference
US already denied Non nato allay status to India
 

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450million is not a small amount, its huge considering 100+ f16 in paf with zero modification & its free
F16 costs 60+ million $ without weapons & j10 around 40mil $ & US weapons offer better quality over russian, means still very good and US ensures the quality for aim for future
We pay hard cash to buy US weapons like a customer but Pak gets US weapons for free or lower amounts like son/daughter or family member, huge difference
US already denied Non nato allay status to India
Pakistan all f16 are block 15 only 18 are block 52 and many f16 have crashed who knows now are they block 52.of 15. Block 15 is a 3rd generation aircraft..
J10 is alot more capable than Pakistan f16s, aesa radar passive tracking ew etc etc
 

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450million is not a small amount, its huge considering 100+ f16 in paf with zero modification & its free
F16 costs 60+ million $ without weapons & j10 around 40mil $ & US weapons offer better quality over russian, means still very good and US ensures the quality for aim for future
We pay hard cash to buy US weapons like a customer but Pak gets US weapons for free or lower amounts like son/daughter or family member, huge difference
US already denied Non nato allay status to India
When did usa deny non nato ally status to india what are you talking dude india rejected nato+ suggestion.way back they even offered 500 million off on orders of jets
 

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Pakistan all f16 are block 15 only 18 are block 52 and many f16 have crashed who knows now are they block 52.of 15. Block 15 is a 3rd generation aircraft..
J10 is alot more capable than Pakistan f16s, aesa radar passive tracking ew etc etc
Lol, are you kidding ??
All f16 are gen 4 jets
Around 10 f16s crashed so far and paf having around 80+ f16 & all bk15 upgraded close to bk52
 

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When did usa deny non nato ally status to india what are you talking dude india rejected nato+ suggestion.way back they even offered 500 million off on orders of jets
In US congress, some congress men[3] introduced bill to create india non nato allay but rejected [old news, may be under obama]
''suggestion.way back they even offered 500 million off on orders of jets'' - when ??
US rejected Indian request for f16s and only offered f5 which is rejected by iaf
 

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What ??
All f16 are 4th gen
US 4th gen fighter jets - f5,f15, f16, f18
4.5gen - f18sh
5th gen - f22,f35
BC tujhe itna bhi nhi malum ki f16 ke alag alag versions aye the f16 of 1980s is not gonna be a 4gen aircraft.
F16 block 10,15,20,upto block 52.are not considered as 4 gen f16 they dont. Even have aesa radars. Forget aesa not even pesa radar. F16 block 60 & block 70/72 are 4 gen aircrafts
 

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BC tujhe itna bhi nhi malum ki f16 ke alag alag versions aye the f16 of 1980s is not gonna be a 4gen aircraft.
F16 block 10,15,20,upto block 52.are not considered as 4 gen f16 they dont. Even have aesa radars. Forget aesa not even pesa radar. F16 block 60 & block 70/72 are 4 gen aircrafts
Aesa not a part of 4th gen, but developed for next gen fighters comes after 4th gen
PESA - is developed for last versions of 4th gen
Also paf upgraded all f16 with pesa
All f16 are considered as 4th gen
FYI- AESA is not a part of 4th gen, its comes under 5- gen or 4.5 gen
Any ways - biggest advantage of 4th gen is relaxed stability
 

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What ??
All f16 are 4th gen
US 4th gen fighter jets - f5,f15, f16, f18
4.5gen - f18sh
5th gen - f22,f35
Still it's nothing, 6m$ per jet will barely cover some engine parts and airframe replacements.
 

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Aesa not a part of 4th gen, but developed for next gen fighters comes after 4th gen
PESA - is developed for last versions of 4th gen
Also paf upgraded all f16 with pesa
All f16 are considered as 4th gen
FYI- AESA is not a part of 4th gen, its comes under 5- gen or 4.5 gen
Any ways - biggest advantage of 4th gen is relaxed stability
Again dude all f16 of Pakistan have pulse Doppler radars no pesa radar nothing.. biggest downside to pulse Doppler is they can't detect perpendicular flying objects either flying towards You and going forward..
 

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