LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

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Ahead of @rajnathsingh flying-in @ABPNews takes a sneak view of HAL #Bengaluru facility where production of #Tejas FOC fighter jet is underway & gearing up for Mark1A making it world class lethal aircraft Full report today at 6pm on #Matrabhumi
 

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Now hal says Tejas payload capacity is 5.3 ton
Previously it was 3.5 ton
If I am not wrong
Is Mach 1.6 adequate for a modern aircraft? I have seen in the specification of Akash SAM that it can destroy an incoming aircraft with a speed of 500 m/s i.e.1800 km/h or Mach 1.5.. So if Tejas were the intruding aircraft, it will just fall within Akash's capability, while having more speed would have helped it to out-run the missile. So having such a speed limit, is this not a shortcoming of the plane? Secondly the limitation of Akash is also exposed here.. Am I right?
 

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Hey, I asked this one once before... do you have any idea or can ask someone who knows, about what sort of effects the bulged canopy of navy/trainer versions has on performance compared to the Airforce Tejas?View attachment 38638
Ya the canopy has modified.....
Read that article of Nilesh and indranil
 

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Is Mach 1.6 adequate for a modern aircraft? I have seen in the specification of Akash SAM that it can destroy an incoming aircraft with a speed of 500 m/s i.e.1800 km/h or Mach 1.5.. So if Tejas were the intruding aircraft, it will just fall within Akash's capability, while having more speed would have helped it to out-run the missile. So having such a speed limit, is this not a shortcoming of the plane? Secondly the limitation of Akash is also exposed here.. Am I right?
Akash is a point defence system....
Is used to protect the military installations
And air bases.....
All air crafts ..who will come to attack ..those bases ..and installation..will come in much lower speed...to maintain the accuracy.....

Akash will do it's task
Remember pakiPaki uses Chineese ly80....which can target objects with 300m/s
Again Tejas foc will have 1.8 Mach
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Akash is a point defence system....
Is used to protect the military installations
And air bases.....
All air crafts ..who will come to attack ..those bases ..and installation..will come in much lower speed...to maintain the accuracy.....

Akash will do it's task
Remember pakiPaki uses Chineese ly80....which can target objects with 300m/s
Again Tejas foc will have 1.8 Mach
....
However, if the intruding aircraft finds that it has been locked, will it not try to accelerate & out-run the missile? Also if in case it has been intercepted by a friendly aircraft, will it not try to flee with it superior speed?

As you said, the FOC versions have Mach 1.8, but I was just concerned about the IOC versions. Unless these are upgraded to FOC version in course of time, this can be a disadvantage I feel. One of the advantages of Mig-21 is its higher speed, which is highly useful for an interceptor.. Now when LCA is being used to replace Mig-21 in an interceptor role, the Mach 1.8 speed will be highly useful. Hope HAL does that.
 

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Is Mach 1.6 adequate for a modern aircraft? I have seen in the specification of Akash SAM that it can destroy an incoming aircraft with a speed of 500 m/s i.e.1800 km/h or Mach 1.5.. So if Tejas were the intruding aircraft, it will just fall within Akash's capability, while having more speed would have helped it to out-run the missile. So having such a speed limit, is this not a shortcoming of the plane? Secondly the limitation of Akash is also exposed here.. Am I right?
Speed of Akash in Mach 4. So to outrun it you would have to travel at Mach 5. Now problem is, even the fastest of the Aircraft designed till date, SR-71 top speed was Mach 3. So theoretically speaking even it would not have outrun Akash and so thus any other plane.
 

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There will be pylon integrated Maws in mk1a.
But that will take up another pylon of the only 7 available, another by SPJ!
However, if the intruding aircraft finds that it has been locked, will it not try to accelerate & out-run the missile? Also if in case it has been intercepted by a friendly aircraft, will it not try to flee with it superior speed?

As you said, the FOC versions have Mach 1.8, but I was just concerned about the IOC versions. Unless these are upgraded to FOC version in course of time, this can be a disadvantage I feel. One of the advantages of Mig-21 is its higher speed, which is highly useful for an interceptor.. Now when LCA is being used to replace Mig-21 in an interceptor role, the Mach 1.8 speed will be highly useful. Hope HAL does that.
That would be a bad idea, unless the aircraft is close to the maximum range of the SAM in which case it will try to get out of its range.
Trying to flee from a friendly aircraft with "superior speed" is even wise idea unless you're already very far away, near its BVR max range.

You can't outrun a missile, especially because to reach top speed (can't even be done unless lightly loaded) it will have to go on full engine trust, greatly increasing at signature and making it easier to hit... you can only try counter-maneuvers and hope for the best. But with increasingly sophisticated and manoeuvrable missiles, very soon ECM & SPJ are going to be the only hope!
Ya the canopy has modified.....
Read that article of Nilesh and indranil
That's the modified canopy of Mark II, bulged behind the pilot... I'm talking about trainer/navy where it is a huge & higher hump! Will that not create unnecessary drag? Note the difference...
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But that will take up another pylon of the only 7 available, another by SPJ!
That would be a bad idea, unless the aircraft is close to the maximum range of the SAM in which case it will try to get out of its range.
Trying to flee from a friendly aircraft with "superior speed" is even wise idea unless you're already very far away, near its BVR max range.

You can't outrun a missile, especially because to reach top speed (can't even be done unless lightly loaded) it will have to go on full engine trust, greatly increasing at signature and making it easier to hit... you can only try counter-maneuvers and hope for the best. But with increasingly sophisticated and manoeuvrable missiles, very soon ECM & SPJ are going to be the only hope!

That's the modified canopy of Mark II, bulged behind the pilot... I'm talking about trainer/navy where it is a huge & higher hump! Will that not create unnecessary drag? Note the difference...
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Ya....

The naval and trainer version s are prototype s.....
May be the canopy replaced in production stage
 

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But that will take up another pylon of the only 7 available, another by SPJ!
No it won't. MAWS will be included in the structure of the pylon itself while pylon will continue to hold the weapons.

On BRF mk1a thread there is a pic probably.

Also spj pylon ( outer ) will have dual rack so that it could carry either 2 CCM or 1 spj+ 1ccm.

So all pylons will be weaponised.
 

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Remember pakiPaki uses Chineese ly80....which can target objects with 300m/s....
No, it is saying that Chinese LY80 can target objects which is flying as slow as 300m/s at minimum height of 50m. This make it suitable for defense against subsonic cruise missile and helicopters in low altitude.
 

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No, it is saying that Chinese LY80 can target objects which is flying as slow as 300m/s at minimum height of 50m. This make it suitable for defense against subsonic cruise missile and helicopters in low altitude.
As FAST as 300m/s....which is just a shade over 1000 km/h
 

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But that will take up another pylon of the only 7 available, another by SPJ!
That would be a bad idea, unless the aircraft is close to the maximum range of the SAM in which case it will try to get out of its range.
Trying to flee from a friendly aircraft with "superior speed" is even wise idea unless you're already very far away, near its BVR max range.

You can't outrun a missile, especially because to reach top speed (can't even be done unless lightly loaded) it will have to go on full engine trust, greatly increasing at signature and making it easier to hit... you can only try counter-maneuvers and hope for the best. But with increasingly sophisticated and manoeuvrable missiles, very soon ECM & SPJ are going to be the only hope!

That's the modified canopy of Mark II, bulged behind the pilot... I'm talking about trainer/navy where it is a huge & higher hump! Will that not create unnecessary drag? Note the difference...
View attachment 38642 View attachment 38643
Now we have reached to a level of sophistication where one should not doubt our ability to aerodynamically design any plane. We are fully capable of designing best aerodynamically design plane. We have moved a lot since the time of Tejas.
 

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LCA Tejas Set To Get On Board Oxygen Generation System To Keep Pilots Airborne For Longer Durations

India’s Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas is set to get an on board oxygen (OBOX) generating system, which will help keep the pilots airbone for longer durations, by December this year or early 2020, reports The New Indian Express.

According to the report, the researchers at Defence Electromedical and Bio-Engineering Laboratory (DEBEL), under the Defence Research and Development Organisation, have developed the OBOX generating system.

Earlier last year, IAF’s Tejas LCA MK-1 successfully completed the mid-air refuelling exercise that enables aircraft to remain longer in the air. The OBOX generating system will reportedly help in keeping the pilot fit and alert for an equally long duration with continuous supply of oxygen while on high-altitude, long-distance flights.

“As of now, a fighter pilot is airborne with a bottle of oxygen, a cylinder that comes with the aircraft, which has the capacity to last an hour at the most, before coming back to base to get it replenished. However, with the OBOX, oxygen will be available throughout, as long as the engine is running,” a DEBEL scientist was quoted in the report as saying.

As per the report, the OBOX system will intake the bleed air being thrown out of the engine along with the exhaust, and then process it through sieves. Through this ‘absorption process’, Nitrogen will be separated out while pure oxygen will be generated.

“We have successfully completed lab trials. Now it is to have flight trials. Which is expected by the end of this year or by 2020. After that, this will be fitted on the Tejas,” the scientist said.


https://swarajyamag.com/insta/lca-t...-to-keep-pilots-airborne-for-longer-durations
 

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LCA Tejas to level up with on-board oxygen system by early 2020, says DRDO Published September 20, 2019 | By admin SOURCE: ENS

India’s Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas will be graduating to the next level with the installation of the On-board Oxygen (OBOX) generating system by December or early 2020, said a scientist from Defence Electromedical & Bio-Engineering Laboratory (DEBEL), under the Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO). Almost a year after a successful mid-air fuelling of the Tejas, the LCA Mark-1 (Mk-1) of the Indian Air Force, which enables aircrafts to be airborne for longer durations, DEBEL researchers have developed the onboard oxygen generating system, OBOX, to help keep the pilot fit and alert for an equally long duration with continuous supply of oxygen while on high altitude, long-distance flights. “As of now, a fighter pilot is airborne with a bottle of oxygen, a cylinder that comes with the aircraft, which has the capacity to last an hour at the most, before coming back to base to get it replenished. However, with the OBOX, oxygen will be available throughout, as long as the engine is running,” he said. The LCA Tejas is an indigenous lightweight, multi-role supersonic aircraft, developed in both fighter and trainer versions. The IAF had initially ordered 40 LCA Tejas aircrafts with the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), which is manufacturing the aircraft after the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) completed its design and development phase. However, in 2018, the IAF placed a further order of 83 LCA Tejas aircraft at a cost of about Rs 50,000 crore. Tejas has been built using advanced composites with an eye on reducing its weight while enhancing the life of the components. The lightweight fighter — designed to carry air-to-air, air-to-surface, precision-guided and standoff weaponry — successfully completed arrested landing on its naval variant in Goa and is finally expected to be assigned for operations on India’s aircraft carrier Vikramaditya. How the self-replenishing system works The box will suck the bleed air which is being thrown out of the engine along with the exhaust, and then processes it through sieves. Nitrogen is separated through this ‘absorption process’ and pure oxygen is generated. “We have successfully completed lab trials. Now it is to have flight trials. Which is expected by the end of this year or by 2020. After that, this will be fitted on the Tejas,” he said. The OBOX will flash warning lights and beeps when it detects lesser oxygen than demanded. An onboard electronic control unit on it will monitor the generation and percentage of oxygen. The 14.5 kg OBOX has been designed for the Tejas and will be later used with small modification on Sukhoys and Hawks.
LCA Tejas to level up with on-board oxygen system by early 2020, says DRDO – Indian Defence Research Wing ..

Oborgs for LCA TEJAS.....:)
 

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LCA Tejas to level up with on-board oxygen system by early 2020, says DRDO Published September 20, 2019 | By admin SOURCE: ENS

India’s Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas will be graduating to the next level with the installation of the On-board Oxygen (OBOX) generating system by December or early 2020, said a scientist from Defence Electromedical & Bio-Engineering Laboratory (DEBEL), under the Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO). Almost a year after a successful mid-air fuelling of the Tejas, the LCA Mark-1 (Mk-1) of the Indian Air Force, which enables aircrafts to be airborne for longer durations, DEBEL researchers have developed the onboard oxygen generating system, OBOX, to help keep the pilot fit and alert for an equally long duration with continuous supply of oxygen while on high altitude, long-distance flights. “As of now, a fighter pilot is airborne with a bottle of oxygen, a cylinder that comes with the aircraft, which has the capacity to last an hour at the most, before coming back to base to get it replenished. However, with the OBOX, oxygen will be available throughout, as long as the engine is running,” he said. The LCA Tejas is an indigenous lightweight, multi-role supersonic aircraft, developed in both fighter and trainer versions. The IAF had initially ordered 40 LCA Tejas aircrafts with the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), which is manufacturing the aircraft after the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) completed its design and development phase. However, in 2018, the IAF placed a further order of 83 LCA Tejas aircraft at a cost of about Rs 50,000 crore. Tejas has been built using advanced composites with an eye on reducing its weight while enhancing the life of the components. The lightweight fighter — designed to carry air-to-air, air-to-surface, precision-guided and standoff weaponry — successfully completed arrested landing on its naval variant in Goa and is finally expected to be assigned for operations on India’s aircraft carrier Vikramaditya. How the self-replenishing system works The box will suck the bleed air which is being thrown out of the engine along with the exhaust, and then processes it through sieves. Nitrogen is separated through this ‘absorption process’ and pure oxygen is generated. “We have successfully completed lab trials. Now it is to have flight trials. Which is expected by the end of this year or by 2020. After that, this will be fitted on the Tejas,” he said. The OBOX will flash warning lights and beeps when it detects lesser oxygen than demanded. An onboard electronic control unit on it will monitor the generation and percentage of oxygen. The 14.5 kg OBOX has been designed for the Tejas and will be later used with small modification on Sukhoys and Hawks.
LCA Tejas to level up with on-board oxygen system by early 2020, says DRDO – Indian Defence Research Wing ..

Oborgs for LCA TEJAS.....:)
All the above seems very good and future promising, but Sir request to all if any one have the data that how many LCA are made till date and how many are in pipeline, because with induction all the above are like paper filled technology which we think in our mind write it in paper and never comes in ground.
I am not negative about LCA program but until we need a lot in batches and that too on urgent basis
 

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All the above seems very good and future promising, but Sir request to all if any one have the data that how many LCA are made till date and how many are in pipeline, because with induction all the above are like paper filled technology which we think in our mind write it in paper and never comes in ground.
I am not negative about LCA program but until we need a lot in batches and that too on urgent basis
At least 15 Series Production IOC version jets have been delivered to the 45th Squadron, 16th for some reason still at Bangalore.
A photo showed SP26 in jigs, so at least 4 FOC versions are under construction. Following completion of delivery of 16 of those by mid-2020 (2nd assembly line expected to open by March, after which they can do 16/year) they will produce 8 double-seater trainer versions.

Mark 1A from 2022-23. Late 2021 if associating tech is ready in time.
 

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A recent brochure of LCA was showing gun pod on the right side. So has HAL resolved the issue of vibration during gun firing?
 

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A recent brochure of LCA was showing gun pod on the right side. So has HAL resolved the issue of vibration during gun firing?
Gun-pod was always meant to be there, right from the beginning.
 

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HAL readies new variant of Tejas ahead of maiden flight


First Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas fighter from the Final Operational Clearance (FOC) block, SP-21

Bengaluru: The first Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas fighter from the Final Operational Clearance (FOC) block, SP-21, is set for independent and integrated system checks at Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL)’s LCA-Tejas Division.

“In aeronautical parlance, the first fighter in the FOC category is in the equipping stage of the production life cycle. We are confident of its first flight in two months,” an official said.

The proactive steps taken by HAL towards fabrication of common parts and assemblies to meet timeline requirements of Indian Air Force (IAF) have shown better results now.

The final DAL (Drawing Applicability List) for Tejas FOC variants was received during February 2019 by HAL. DAL is the standard of preparation for production that forms the basis for the final product to be delivered to the customer.

Interactions with various teams involved in the Tejas project during the recent visit of Defence Minister Rajnath Singh to HAL, Onmanorama has learned that HAL is currently awaiting a crucial software upgrade from its partner Aeronautics Development Agency (ADA) for the upgraded fighters.

In the FOC block, HAL needs to manufacture 16 fighters, a task that is now expected to be completed by March 2021.

New features

The FOC configuration of the aircraft has been evolved based on various technological improvements on the Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) block of 16 fighters, now operated by IAF.


Among the key features that have been added to improve the performance are: air-to-air refueling probe, Gsh-23 mm gun, pressure refueling with three drop tank configuration, integration of 725 and 450 liters of drop tank, improved wing navigation lamp, in-flight wind mill relight, tandem pylon and zoom climb to name a few.

Team HAL is hopeful that the SP-21 will go for the EGR (engine ground run) during end of October, followed by the first flight.

“Our work force is currently in a home stretch, equipping SP-21 for its maiden flight,” an official said.

Manufacturing highlights

The decision to launch common parts between IOC and FOC fighters well in advance has now showing rich dividends. The LCA-Tejas Division has now cut down the lead time for production of aircraft from 12-18 months to eight months.

“We have gained good experience during manufacturing of aircraft with IOC configuration, which is coming handy during the ongoing production of SP-21 onwards,” the official added.

HAL has incorporated many key improvements in the production line to reduce the cycle time and better quality product. They include: use of robotic drilling, reduction in PI (pre-installation checks) of LRUs (line replace units), maximizing the outsourcing for detail components, outsourcing of complete major assemblies like wing and fuselage, maintainability improvement through enhanced looming cut-outs and ICY (inter-changeability) of pipes and panels and use of copper mesh on wing assembly.



Private partnership

HAL has developed a good vendor base across India for supplying detail parts, sub-assemblies and major assemblies like complete wing and fuselage for the LCA production. Presently 45 per cent of the LCA components are being sub-contracted.

Moves are afoot to indigenize imported LRUs to further improve the private partnership in the programmme.

“This would enable us to increase the production rate of LCA. Out of 16 FOC strike aircraft, four are planned to be delivered by this FY (March 2020) and remaining 12 fighters will be delivered within next FY (March 2021),” says the official.

The structural build of SP-22 and SP-23 is under progress in the division, while the assembly of front, center and rear fuselages has been completed well in time of their production.

The wing sets for both these fighters are getting fabricated in the dedicated facility and the same are expected by October and November.

Team charged up

The LCA-Tejas Division is a comparatively new wing of HAL and is propelled by 800 plus engineers and workmen. The visit of Rajnath Singh and his subsequent flight on Tejas trainer has lifted the morale of the team.

The appointment of Air Marshal R K S Bhadauria as the next Chief of Air Staff too has come at the right time for the LCA-Tejas Division. Air Marshal Bhadauria has seen Tejas taking baby steps and he was instrumental in the No 45 Squadron Flying Daggers moving to AFS Sulur from Bengaluru, ahead of schedule.

“The inputs from No 45 Squadron (operating Tejas at AFS Sulur) have been encouraging. We have a self-motivated and dedicated team who gained expertise and technical acumen by being part of the IOC aircraft production process. This has increased the confidence of our team and we now eyeing on 83 Mk1A orders from Ministry of Defence,” says the official.

Both Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) Chairman Dr G Satheesh Reddy and HAL Chairman and manging Director M Madhavan confirmed to Onmanorma that the 83 MK1A orders are in the final stages of completion.

They say all major issues have been sorted out barring those linked to ground equipment and other support systems.

HAL hopes that all pending issues will be sorted in the next two months and the contract will be inked during this FY itself.

https://english.manoramaonline.com/...w-variant-of-tejas-ahead-ofmaiden-flight.html
 

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