LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Delta Squad]

The free food scheme ended on Dec 31 2022

Which is again being restarted

 

[abingdonboy]

Which is again being restarted

Link?

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Link?

Extended for one more year. Trust me will be extended into 2025 due to election.

But I think it’s ok. The subsidies are for poor people anyway and they are food. Duplicate ration cards mostly are weeded out.
This amount is nothing compared to subsidies every year we spend on industries and agriculture.

 

[abingdonboy]

Extended for one more year. Trust me will be extended into 2025 due to election.

But I think it’s ok. The subsidies are for poor people anyway and they are food. Duplicate ration cards mostly are weeded out.
This amount is nothing compared to subsidies every year we spend on industries and agriculture.

Not sure this is how it’s going.

they’ve ended the full blown scheme and replaced it with a subsidy that is being converted into free


This will save over $15bn annually

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

In the late 2020s/2030s F35 will be heavily pitched to india, this will encourage the IAF to float a NG-MRFA contest I’m sure of it.

this circus will never end with these clowns running the show

I have a feeling that even 2x110kn engine would fall short of IAF requirements at the end of the day. All 5th gen aircraft’s have huge power requirements and only AMCA has the lowest power capacity from get go which would limit the payload, sensors and radars performance.

F22 uses 2 x 156Kn F119 engine,
F35 uses 1 x 191kn engine. Plans are to use an upgraded engine from 2030. May be 210kn.
J20- 2 x 145kn.
TFX- 2 x 145kn
AMCA - 2 x 110kn. First batch 2 x 98kn.

Seems set up for failure…… not sure

 

[abingdonboy]

I have a feeling that even 2x110kn engine would fall short of IAF requirements at the end of the day. All 5th gen aircraft’s have huge power requirements and only AMCA has the lowest power capacity from get go which would limit the payload, sensors and radars performance.

F22 uses 2 x 156Kn F119 engine,
F35 uses 1 x 191kn engine. Plans are to use an upgraded engine from 2030. May be 210kn.
J20- 2 x 145kn.
TFX- 2 x 145kn
AMCA - 2 x 110kn. First batch 2 x 98kn.

Seems set up for failure…… not sure

The TWR wouldn’t be too far off for the AMCA with 2x 110KN and I thought it was mentioned that their aim was to have a max output of 125KN which would give it better TWR than the J-20

all academic of course because it’s now 2023 and they haven’t even started work on the engines that have enormous lead times

One way or another they’ll find a way to keep the import gravy train flowing

IMRH, TEDBF, AMCA and LCA MK.2 are dying slow deaths that’s it

 

[rone]

Bit off topic but this declassified Doc shows what is the real difference between CGI marketing Brochures and operational data, Thank god we never chosen Saab js39

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

The TWR wouldn’t be too far off for the AMCA with 2x 110KN and I thought it was mentioned that their aim was to have a max output of 125KN which would give it better TWR than the J-20

all academic of course because it’s now 2023 and they haven’t even started work on the engines that have enormous lead times

One way or another they’ll find a way to keep the import gravy train flowing

IMRH, TEDBF, AMCA and LCA MK.2 are dying slow deaths that’s it

Seems no trainer was delivered this year. HAL had to deliver 8 trainers of the original 40 before March 2023. Maybe the trainers are planned to be of 1A configuration. That would mean no new ac delivery till 2024.

Plus money have been freed up from Rafale deal and somewhat from S400 deal since 2-3 are already delivered and the rest are 50% done. Hopefully they place another 36 or 54 Rafale order and done with MRFA

 

[abingdonboy]

Seems no trainer was delivered this year. HAL had to deliver 8 trainers of the original 40 before March 2023. Maybe the trainers are planned to be of 1A configuration. That would mean no new ac delivery till 2024.

Plus money have been freed up from Rafale deal and somewhat from S400 deal since 2-3 are already delivered and the rest are 50% done. Hopefully they place another 36 or 54 Rafale order and done with MRFA

Not too worried about deliveries from HAL anymore, since the second squadron was raised they haven’t been giving regular updates on deliveries/handovers and the IAF hasn’t been whining so there’s mutual understanding there. As long as all are handed over by the time the 1st MK1A is produced in March 2024 then there’s no problem really

aside from talking about MRFA no one inside IAF seems that concerned about falling squadron numbers so let them pay the price

 

[Blademaster]

I have a feeling that even 2x110kn engine would fall short of IAF requirements at the end of the day. All 5th gen aircraft’s have huge power requirements and only AMCA has the lowest power capacity from get go which would limit the payload, sensors and radars performance.

F22 uses 2 x 156Kn F119 engine,
F35 uses 1 x 191kn engine. Plans are to use an upgraded engine from 2030. May be 210kn.
J20- 2 x 145kn.
TFX- 2 x 145kn
AMCA - 2 x 110kn. First batch 2 x 98kn.

Seems set up for failure…… not sure

Well we have to start from somewhere and we (the IAF) can't be those two characters in "Waiting for Godot"

 

[Corvus Splendens]

I have a feeling that even 2x110kn engine would fall short of IAF requirements at the end of the day. All 5th gen aircraft’s have huge power requirements and only AMCA has the lowest power capacity from get go which would limit the payload, sensors and radars performance.

F22 uses 2 x 156Kn F119 engine,
F35 uses 1 x 191kn engine. Plans are to use an upgraded engine from 2030. May be 210kn.
J20- 2 x 145kn.
TFX- 2 x 145kn
AMCA - 2 x 110kn. First batch 2 x 98kn.

Seems set up for failure…… not sure

F22, J-20 and the TF-X are larger and heavier as well. AMCA is stated to have better T/W ratio than the F-35 if our engine materializes. "Even" with the 110kn engine we'd be much better off than the J-20 Vigorous Truck and the Turk.

 

[MirageBlue]

Bit off topic but this declassified Doc shows what is the real difference between CGI marketing Brochures and operational data, Thank god we never chosen Saab js39

View attachment 188166

Sustained Turn Rate that is given as 12 deg/sec and ITR of 24 deg/sec..

Combat radius - 225 NM or 417 km!

lol..and these Saab PR masters were spinning tales of the Gripen having a combat radius in excess of 1000 KM which every gullible reader swallowed up whole without using their brains to try and figure out how it could do so without being able to glide for 500+ km without a running engine.

Of course our DRDO folks who don't bother to do any PR would just honestly state that the Tejas' combat radius was ~300 NM and that caused so much angst and shock, because everyone was looking at the cooked up figures that Saab PR masters were spinning around the web.

Ferry range - 1600 NM or 2963 km..slightly higher (by a hundred km or so) than the Tejas Mk1.

All in all, no major difference in overall performance, payload or range figures. Certainly not even close enough to have warranted dumping the Tejas and going for Gripen C/D.

 

[tsunami]

I have a feeling that even 2x110kn engine would fall short of IAF requirements at the end of the day. All 5th gen aircraft’s have huge power requirements and only AMCA has the lowest power capacity from get go which would limit the payload, sensors and radars performance.

F22 uses 2 x 156Kn F119 engine,
F35 uses 1 x 191kn engine. Plans are to use an upgraded engine from 2030. May be 210kn.
J20- 2 x 145kn.
TFX- 2 x 145kn
AMCA - 2 x 110kn. First batch 2 x 98kn.

Seems set up for failure…… not sure

F22, J20, SU-57 all are heavy class fighters. F-35 is almost the heavy class fighter and have only 191KN thrust.

AMCA is medium weight class fighter more like a 5th gen Rafale or Eurofighter. Rafale only 150KN and Eurofighter 180 KN total power. Planned power for AMCA is 220 to 250 KN. Should be fine.

 

[SilentlAssassin265]

Well we have to start from somewhere and we (the IAF) can't be those two characters in "Waiting for Godot"

IAF may release the RFI stating engine must be > 120kn thrust

 

[tsunami]

Bit off topic but this declassified Doc shows what is the real difference between CGI marketing Brochures and operational data, Thank god we never chosen Saab js39

View attachment 188166

Gripen was always a lie. We always knew it's data doesn't add up.
If you do simple math calculation about it's empty weight, fuel and weapon load then it was way higher then it's maximum take-off weight. So it was always just a lie.

 

[Sachinananda]

IAF may release the RFI stating engine must be > 120kn thrust

Source

 

[NutCracker]

Source

procurement history

 

[SilentlAssassin265]

Source

Just a speculation considering history

 

[silverghost]

Not too worried about deliveries from HAL anymore, since the second squadron was raised they haven’t been giving regular updates on deliveries/handovers and the IAF hasn’t been whining so there’s mutual understanding there. As long as all are handed over by the time the 1st MK1A is produced in March 2024 then there’s no problem really

aside from talking about MRFA no one inside IAF seems that concerned about falling squadron numbers so let them pay the price

This is the calm before the storm. IAF will soon make an announcement that because of falling squadron strength they can't defend the country & therefore we need to purchase X squadrons of foreign fighter jets. This will be taken up by opposition leaders & used against the Govt. of the day. MoD babus who have an incredible nose for the scent of money/kickbacks will swing into action & will sign some dubious deal in record time.

 

[Blademaster]

IAF may release the RFI stating engine must be > 120kn thrust

Then we will never have our own indigenous engine program. Look at the Chinese program. They started small and built their way up.