LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Bleh]

These are either under influence of Russia or NATO. And they have European / American options f16 and gripen which are NATO compatible.

We should focus on South East Asia. Latin America and Africa and smaller gulf countries.

Agreed... Malayasia would be a good start, should have pitched Tejas in Argentina too.
Mark1 FOC (minus refueling pod) should be the exact balance between low price & tech quality.

 

[IndianHawk]

Agreed... Malayasia would be a good start, should have pitched Tejas in Argentina too.
Mark1 FOC (minus refueling pod) should be the exact balance between low price & tech quality.

A huge market will open up in Asia and Africa as both economy rises and geopolitics intensified.

 

[uoftotaku]

Nobody outside will buy anything as long as first our own ppl keep dissing it's qualities in public and second the IAF still refuses to both place meaningful continuous orders.

 

[IndianHawk]

Nobody outside will buy anything as long as first our own ppl keep dissing it's qualities in public and second the IAF still refuses to both place meaningful continuous orders.

Nobody buys aircraft listening to rumours. They check it , test it and fly it. And lca excells at that.

The point about domestic orders is true. Without mass output price will remain high .

 

[Bleh]

The point about domestic orders is true. Without mass output price will remain high.

That's much more advanced Mark1A you have in mind... If its price can be brought down below $40mil per unit, then Mark1 FOC should be cheap enough for small countries to buy (more so, as they won't need the refueling probe) & qualitatively high-tech enough to give them the edge.

The IOC & two-seater version or SPORT (being made export in mind) can fill the role of light fighter as well as CAS/ground-strike for nations with even lower requirments.

 

[Shashwat]

Argentina, Sri Lanka and Malaysia can be the low hanging fruit. Turkmenistan also was interested in Tejas.

 

[uoftotaku]

Forget about exports until Kaveri is mature. US will never give an export waiver for the Tejas while it's flying with F404/414. Plus don't forget its competition in the market is not JF junk but F/A-50 which is pretty mature and already has export orders.

In fact the T/F/A-50 Golden Eagle programme should be studied by HAL and IAF to see how a domestic aerospace programme should be conceptualised and brought to fruition in a planned and incremental manner.

 

[Bleh]

Why don't they make a strike version based on the IOC & NAVY... like Su-34? They can fit a jammer behind the cockpit's bulge.

Mirage-2000C is dedicated ground-attack, while some F-16 versions are pure dogfighters... Multirole does not necessarily mean that every aircraft needs to carry out every role equally well. Just being capable of launching BVR missiles may be enough in many cases.

Forget about exports until Kaveri is mature. US will never give an export waiver for the Tejas while it's flying with F404/414. .

JAS-39 Gripen or FA-50 Golden Eagle are having no problems because of their American engines.

In fact the T/F/A-50 Golden Eagle programme should be studied by HAL and IAF to see how a domestic aerospace programme should be conceptualised and brought to fruition in a planned and incremental manner.

SPORT is being developed for that purpose!

 

[mayfair]

Plus don't forget its competition in the market is not JF junk but F/A-50 which is pretty mature and already has export orders.

I would have thought it was Gripen more so than T-50, which has been acquired and marketed more as a training aircraft than a frontline fighter.

 

[Bleh]

I would have thought it was Gripen more so than T-50, which has been acquired and marketed more as a training aircraft than a frontline fighter.

Tejas kinda squeezes in between...
I bet its two-seater trainer variant and SPORT will have more customers than the single-seater light fighter/striker, atleast until Mark 1A enters export market.

 

[IndianHawk]

Forget about exports until Kaveri is mature. US will never give an export waiver for the Tejas while it's flying with F404/414. Plus don't forget its competition in the market is not JF junk but F/A-50 which is pretty mature and already has export orders.

In fact the T/F/A-50 Golden Eagle programme should be studied by HAL and IAF to see how a domestic aerospace programme should be conceptualised and brought to fruition in a planned and incremental manner.

Well USA has given f404/ f414 export clearance for sell of f50 and gripen c/ E . So as long buyer country is not USA enemy engine clearance should be there.

 

[uoftotaku]

Well USA has given f404/ f414 export clearance for sell of f50 and gripen c/ E . So as long buyer country is not USA enemy engine clearance should be there.

Its a little bit more complicated than that. US exercises its veto mainly when there is a competition against an American product. Even Gripen exports have been affected when US denied them in cases where F-16 or F-18 were competing for sale.

F/A-50 sneaks through because its a different category of aircraft. It's genuinely Light, has limited value as a strategic asset and is low in terms of armaments capacity compared with Gripen. Price wise also it's very attractive for Tier 2/3 operators like Philippines who could never afford an F-16 for eg. That's the market that TAI has successfully tapped into and US for the most part doesn't interfere as they are not directly competitive with any American product.

Tejas as an export will do better if it is market in this same category. The current Mk.1 configuration (once its mature) is perfect for most countries that do not have any direct adversarial relationship with their neighbours but require a basic air defence and CAS capability for sovereign protection. In our immediate neighbourhood, a country like Sri Lanka, Myanmar, South Africa, Indonesia, Oman all would be good targets for sale.

But again, both HAL and the IAF need to stop their infighting, get their house in order and start churning out operational aircraft. As long as the plane is not seen in service with the IAF in substantial numbers, and without the IAF constantly moaning about its deficiencies in public, the export market will never open up.

 

[daya]

God knows when the Tejas will fly in flying colors.

 

[rone]

God knows when the Tejas will fly in flying colors.

first LCA already flying in its glory,it's undertaken several operational flight's,by beginning in a forum won't uncover what really happens in real IAF squ45, so just chill sit back and wait for FOC teajs this month

 

[rone]

Its a little bit more complicated than that. US exercises its veto mainly when there is a competition against an American product. Even Gripen exports have been affected when US denied them in cases where F-16 or F-18 were competing for sale.

F/A-50 sneaks through because its a different category of aircraft. It's genuinely Light, has limited value as a strategic asset and is low in terms of armaments capacity compared with Gripen. Price wise also it's very attractive for Tier 2/3 operators like Philippines who could never afford an F-16 for eg. That's the market that TAI has successfully tapped into and US for the most part doesn't interfere as they are not directly competitive with any American product.

Tejas as an export will do better if it is market in this same category. The current Mk.1 configuration (once its mature) is perfect for most countries that do not have any direct adversarial relationship with their neighbours but require a basic air defence and CAS capability for sovereign protection. In our immediate neighbourhood, a country like Sri Lanka, Myanmar, South Africa, Indonesia, Oman all would be good targets for sale.

But again, both HAL and the IAF need to stop their infighting, get their house in order and start churning out operational aircraft. As long as the plane is not seen in service with the IAF in substantial numbers, and without the IAF constantly moaning about its deficiencies in public, the export market will never open up.

first rushing mk1a order not in IAF mind they try to conculed MMRCA V2 now by yr end they go for mk1a orders the priority now mig29 and su30 order's then comes LCA becoz even they materialize mk1a order they only get product after 2021 second quarter, mean time HAL taking time to perfect FOC LCA adding more software upgrades and some new weapon integrations like our own anti-radiation missiles, we are not China to do everything like in hurry when comes to combat platform Indian military establishment have it's own standards

 

[Bleh]

Its a little bit more complicated than that. US exercises its veto mainly when there is a competition against an American product. Even Gripen exports have been affected when US denied them in cases where F-16 or F-18 were competing for sale.

F/A-50 sneaks through because its a different category of aircraft. It's genuinely Light, has limited value as a strategic asset and is low in terms of armaments capacity compared with Gripen. Price wise also it's very attractive for Tier 2/3 operators like Philippines who could never afford an F-16 for eg. That's the market that TAI has successfully tapped into and US for the most part doesn't interfere as they are not directly competitive with any American product.

Tejas as an export will do better if it is market in this same category. The current Mk.1 configuration (once its mature) is perfect for most countries that do not have any direct adversarial relationship with their neighbours but require a basic air defence and CAS capability for sovereign protection. In our immediate neighbourhood, a country like Sri Lanka, Myanmar, South Africa, Indonesia, Oman all would be good targets for sale.

But again, both HAL and the IAF need to stop their infighting, get their house in order and start churning out operational aircraft. As long as the plane is not seen in service with the IAF in substantial numbers, and without the IAF constantly moaning about its deficiencies in public, the export market will never open up.

Gripen competed against both F-16 & F/A-18 in MMRCA.

And Tejas SPORT (earlier called LIFT) is being developed for the purpose of fitting in the latter role.

If they install the cute Trainer/Navy canopy to single seat AF Tejas & they can fit the jammer inside the fuselage instead of another wing-pylon... maybe even make the fuel tank larger by moving stuff to the extra space created!

 

[patriots]

Apparently there is a tender out for pylon mounted MAWS sensors for the Tejas Mk1A

Copied from brf........

...this thread is getting bored

Bcoz of slow production of hal...will start posting once foc rolls ..,
Till then by

 

[Bleh]

Bcoz of slow production of hal...will start posting once foc rolls

Which month was that appear to be?

 

[patriots]

Which month was that appear to be?

According to latest report it's ... December............................

 

[Immanuel]

Forget about exports until Kaveri is mature. US will never give an export waiver for the Tejas while it's flying with F404/414. Plus don't forget its competition in the market is not JF junk but F/A-50 which is pretty mature and already has export orders.

In fact the T/F/A-50 Golden Eagle programme should be studied by HAL and IAF to see how a domestic aerospace programme should be conceptualised and brought to fruition in a planned and incremental manner.

Not true, US won't interfere with sales of Tejas, perhaps in the past, but now, not possible anymore.