LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Prashant12]

A mega-deal for the purchase of Akash surface to air missiles and 83 light combat aircraft has been cleared by the Union Cabinet.


New Delhi: The Union Cabinet has cleared a mega Rs 5500 crore deal for Akash Surface to Air Missile and 83 light combat aircraft. According to sources,contract for 15 light combat helicopters is also likely to be signed this year. Moreover, in what is likely to simplify the procurement of weapons, the Centre is expected to roll out a new defence procurement policy by March 2020.

https://www.timesnownews.com/india/...-akash-missile-system-at-rs-5500-crore/482896

 

[Longewala]

A mega-deal for the purchase of Akash surface to air missiles and 83 light combat aircraft has been cleared by the Union Cabinet.


New Delhi: The Union Cabinet has cleared a mega Rs 5500 crore deal for Akash Surface to Air Missile and 83 light combat aircraft. According to sources,contract for 15 light combat helicopters is also likely to be signed this year. Moreover, in what is likely to simplify the procurement of weapons, the Centre is expected to roll out a new defence procurement policy by March 2020.

https://www.timesnownews.com/india/...-akash-missile-system-at-rs-5500-crore/482896

The vibes are increasingly positive for Tejas orders, though clearly much of the IAF would still rather have 2x priced foreign maal.

I don't do much on my own bdays any more but the day they announce firm orders for 1A and hopefully 2 as well, I am going to bring home the biggest, most expensive cake to celebrate.
83 candles might be difficult to fit though.

 

[patriots]

The vibes are increasingly positive for Tejas orders, though clearly much of the IAF would still rather have 2x priced foreign maal.

I don't do much on my own bdays any more but the day they announce firm orders for 1A and hopefully 2 as well, I am going to bring home the biggest, most expensive cake to celebrate.
83 candles might be difficult to fit though.

We Tejas lovers are waited for a long time ..
Now waiting for foc first flight..mk1a .mwf...amca

 

[IndianHawk]

The vibes are increasingly positive for Tejas orders, though clearly much of the IAF would still rather have 2x priced foreign maal.

I don't do much on my own bdays any more but the day they announce firm orders for 1A and hopefully 2 as well, I am going to bring home the biggest, most expensive cake to celebrate.
83 candles might be difficult to fit though.

IAF seems to have accepted it's destiny. It knows very well we can't afford rafale like birds in huge numbers only limited numbers can be purchased die to high costs. We can afford Russian fighters in huge numbers but they remain behind wester in avionics and weaponary as well as very costly and high maintenance .

So the way forward for affordable available and advanced airforce is indigenation.

 

[mayfair]

Tejas gives us strategic independence like no other- granted engines are Amreeki, but far better than having a system which one can modify, alter, tweak, re-purpose and customise as per own use and not having to run to a foreign OEM for every upgrade.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Article is bullshit. Complaining about range and payload for a fighter whose size was restricted to be that of mig21 is just stupid. They should have designed mwf from get go if they wanted more payload and range.

Aesa is not is mk1. But where is aesa in iaf inventory only on few jaguars? It's not on su30mki , it's not on upgraded mirage , it's not on mig29 ?

Anyway it can always be added to mk1 with upgrade ( which is already planned iirc) . World over fighter aircrafts go through evolution. USA f15 are currently getting aesa. No body called them obsolete because they didn't had aesa for past many years. Even golden boy rafale got an aesa just a few years ago.a

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I have repeatedly maintained that all these electronics comes and go. What is important is basic things of the aircraft. Its aerodynamics, weight carrying, T/W ratio etc. You can add latest electronics including AESA and EW any time. This is the reason I always stressed on improvement of Tejas as a Basic Platform. MK1+ is gong to be better than Mk1 in terms of maneuverability, range, aerodynamics etc in addition to AESA and EW.

 

[Daisy]

Sure there are... We won't be selling to France, nor in hundreds! But there are several small fry still operate Mig-21s & old unupgraded shit.

Like Slovenian, Croatian, Bosnia-Herzegovinan, Romanian, Serbian, Bulgarian, Albanian, Montenegro, Moldovan, Belarusian, Lithuanian, Latvian, Estonian etc. air forces.
We could land orders for a squadron here, another there is we actually got off our asses & fucking tried.

Can we replace American Engines with French. How about Kaveri Engine developed by DRDO.

 

[patriots]

IAF seems to have accepted it's destiny. It knows very well we can't afford rafale like birds in huge numbers only limited numbers can be purchased die to high costs. We can afford Russian fighters in huge numbers but they remain behind wester in avionics and weaponary as well as very costly and high maintenance .

So the way forward for affordable available and advanced airforce is indigenation.

Bdw according to that report only akash with 55kcr is clearded ,83 mk1a and 15 lch lsp will be cleared next

Again no news in other news channel it's a source based news

Now coming to Tejas ...
If u will see ....then Tejas is a beauty ....which has some desi and isarael avionics
..... western engine...
Can carry induaI , western ,iIsraeli..and Russian missile......
Though baba said 114 rafale are coming still it seems ...diffficult
Western jets are costly ..and Russiian jets are cheap ...but with high maintenance cost
.....guys one question we know about performance of Chinese jets ....
But what's about their maintenance...

 

[Bleh]

Can we replace American Engines with French. How about Kaveri Engine developed by DRDO.

Kaveri as of now is a decent first attempt, but F404-IN20 is far better... best in its weight class for the thrust produced.

Indigenous content of the Tejas was 59.7% by value and 75.5% by number of line replaceable units in 2016. So, let India concentrate on the 70-119kn class engine for MWF & AMCA. Mark 1/A ia going to have limited orders anyway.

 

[IndianHawk]

Bdw according to that report only akash with 55kcr is clearded ,83 mk1a and 15 lch lsp will be cleared next

Again no news in other news channel it's a source based news

Now coming to Tejas ...
If u will see ....then Tejas is a beauty ....which has some desi and isarael avionics
..... western engine...
Can carry induaI , western ,iIsraeli..and Russian missile......
Though baba said 114 rafale are coming still it seems ...diffficult
Western jets are costly ..and Russiian jets are cheap ...but with high maintenance cost
.....guys one question we know about performance of Chinese jets ....
But what's about their maintenance...

Akash itself is a very successful program and has saved us approx 15-20 billion USA which would have gone to foreign missile if akash was not accepted . So credit to IAF and IA for induction of akash in huge numbers.

Lca program is pretty much locked in. Mk1a orders were already approved it was just price haggle with HAL. Now that seems sorted orders will be placed shortly.

Same with mwf it's development is already sanctioned as lca mk2 project. Tender for fuselage of prototype were out already.

 

[IndianHawk]

Kaveri as of now is a decent first attempt, but F404-IN20 is far better... best in its weight class for the thrust produced.

Indigenous content of the Tejas was 59.7% by value and 75.5% by number of line replaceable units in 2016. So, let India concentrate on the 70-119kn class engine for MWF & AMCA. Mark 1/A ia going to have limited orders anyway.

There will be 123 mk1a ( including mk1 upgrades)
Over lifetime they may require 123*3= 369 engine.
Including higher thrust engine for mid life upgrade. And not just lca mk1a . All other birds with f404 may require and upthrust engine for upgrade with same dimensions.

Gripen c/d version , Korean f50 and all the trainers based on f404. So Kaveri if can be made slightly better than f404 within next 10-15 years it will have a huge market to cater too.

Just like we are now struggling to upgrade jaguar engines all f404 planes might struggle to find upgraded/ uprated engine. We should not give up on Kaveri just yet.

 

[patriots]

There will be 123 mk1a ( including mk1 upgrades)
Over lifetime they may require 123*3= 369 engine.
Including higher thrust engine for mid life upgrade. And not just lca mk1a . All other birds with f404 may require and upthrust engine for upgrade with same dimensions.

Gripen c/d version , Korean f50 and all the trainers based on f404. So Kaveri if can be made slightly better than f404 within next 10-15 years it will have a huge market to cater too.

Just like we are now struggling to upgrade jaguar engines all f404 planes might struggle to find upgraded/ uprated engine. We should not give up on Kaveri just yet.

Bdw... akash is inducted in eastern air bases ....where pechora Nd Spyder are deployed in western bases

Why akash is not deployed in weastern bases

 

[IndianHawk]

Bdw... akash is inducted in eastern air bases ....where pechora Nd Spyder are deployed in western bases

Why akash is not deployed in weastern bases

No idea. Pechora will get replaced with new akash squadron coming in anyway.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Pricing of the LCA, which was under discussion with the costing committee, has been finalised two days back in a meeting with the Secretary of Defence Production. Now, discussion for the support package is on. That also should be finalised in a month or two. So we should be in a position to sign the contract for the aircraft in the next 3-4 months,” he said at a seminar on Indian aerospace industry, jointly organised by the Centre for Air Power Studies and Society of Indian Defence Manufacturers. ( yupieeeeeeee indigenous is the way forward.)

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...out-defence-ministry/article29340242.ece/amp/

 

[Bleh]

LCA pricing issue sorted out: Defence Ministry

Dinakar Peri
NEW DELHI, SEPTEMBER 05, 2019

Director General Acquisition in Ministry also outlines major changes in defence procurement procedure
The issue of pricing of 83 Light Combat Aircraft (LCA)-Mk1A, to be manufactured by the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), has been finalised and the contract could be signed in the next few months, said Apurva Chandra, Director General (DG) Acquisition in the Defence Ministry.

Procurement of additional Akash surface-to-air missiles (SAM) for the Indian Air Force (IAF), worth Rs. 5500 crore, had also been cleared by the Union Cabinet last week and it would be signed within a week, he stated.

Mr. Chandra said the Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP) and the Defence Procurement Manual (DPM) 2009 are currently being revised.

said the Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP) and the Defence Procurement Manual (DPM) 2009 are currently being revised.

“Pricing of the LCA, which was under discussion with the costing committee, has been finalised two days back in a meeting with the Secretary of Defence Production. Now, discussion for the support package is on. That also should be finalised in a month or two. So we should be in a position to sign the contract for the aircraft in the next 3-4 months,” he said at a seminar on Indian aerospace industry, jointly organised by the Centre for Air Power Studies and Society of Indian Defence Manufacturers.

The Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) had given the initial clearance for the 83 LCA-Mk1A aircraft in November 2016 and the IAF issued the Request For Proposal (RFP) in December 2017. However, negotiations have been stuck due to the steep price quoted by the HAL which, the IAF had said, was more than the price of a Su-30MKI.

The 83 jets are in addition to the 40 LCAs already ordered by the IAF in two batches of 20 each in the Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) configuration and the Final Operational Configuration (FOC) configuration.

Revision of DPP, DPM
In August, Defence Minister Rajnath Singh appointed an 11-member committee headed by the DG Acquisition to revise the DPP and the DPM, with a six-month time frame to submit their recommendations. “We will come out with new versions by March 2020,” Mr. Chandra said.

There would be separate chapters on ship-building and air platforms, and sub-committees have been appointed to look into them. ‘’We would like to have a separate chapter on Information and Communication Technology (ICT) too", he stated.

In the DPM, the main thought process now was that it was common for all procurements, civil, stationary or military. “We should have three different approaches,” he added.

 

[Saichand K]

Do u guys think it will be Akash 1s or simply Akash 1 ?

 

[vishnugupt]

Finally, there is some good sign on horizon. Air chief must be crying in his office as IAF did everything they could do to kill Tejas. Dhanoa and his predecessors went around the world, took shorties in different aircrafts and praised them but unfortunately, nothing worked. 100/100 marks to MOD and best job done by ADA and HAL.
Hopefully MOD will take these people to task and make them order LCH as well

 

[ForigenSanghi]

went around the world, took shorties in different aircrafts

Of course them "shorties" be hot. The big dog Dhanoa be taking them on different aircraft.

but unfortunately, nothing worked.

That be his advanced age maybe.
Pop1, Pop2... it all be working well. Them shorties be feeling the Dhanoa.

 

[WolfPack86]

The issue of pricing of 83 Light Combat Aircraft (LCA)-Mk1A, to be manufactured by the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), has been finalised and the contract could be signed in the next few months

 

[Bleh]

Anyone here has experience in editing Wikipedia?
Then do India a favour and please change the unit cost of HAL Tejas Mark 1A from ₹463Crores to ₹275Crores, updating this news in the Wikipedia page.


There's not a single post-2013 image in the page... Not of it refueling, nor recieving FOC. Nothing about SPORT, nor MWF (when Mark 2 deserve a seperate fucking page of its own)!!

There are several superb images here, can't they be inserted there & update the HAL Tejas's Wikipedia page to make it look like Tejas has made some progress since 2010?
...because i swear, anyone who doesn't already know can't tell that by seeing it.

Anyone interested?
I can help by going through pick out the best images & news links from the threads.