LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[IndianHawk]

Thanks for the photo Bhai...

Where u got this..
A good quality photo will be appreciated....
Now come to the point of Tejas cas...role

Tejas has ldp pod to guide laser guided bombs
Tejas foc will have a gun
Tejas can fire rockets but not tested yet
Only r73 ,derby (a2a),lgb are tested ......
No rockets or a2g missile tested yet
Recently Tejas tested for low speed (which is essential for ground . attack...

That's an old photo on the internet I found randomly . It's hard to believe Tejas hasn't tested rockets when lch has done it which came much later.

Anyway we don't see new photos with rocket pods and even in GAGAN Shakti Tejas droped bombs with LDP. So probably rockets are now sole domain of combat helicopter.

Slowing down a supersonic fighter to fire puny rockets seems inefficient when lch can do this more easily and more effectively. Lca can simply bomb the whole enemy caravan to the smithereens.

 

[IndianHawk]

Is it possible to produce Tejas by Pvt companies too.. along with hal
Pakistan has 100s of jf17
Because both pac(pakisPak) and caic (China ) are producing

Everything is possible. The question is of order volume. They just ordered 40 mk1 before mk1a comes in 2022. So what's the rush?

Similarly they just ordered 83 mk1a from 2022 before mwf is ready by 2027 . Again 83 aircraft in 5 years = 16 per year. + 3 .

Unless they order more numbers no point rushing production.

 

[IndianHawk]

Is it possible to produce Tejas by Pvt companies too.. along with hal
Pakistan has 100s of jf17
Because both pac(pakisPak) and caic (China ) are producing

Paki don't produce it. They assemble it and paint it. Su30mki is more Indian than jf17 is paki.

 

[ladder]

Wiki says they have capability of 25/year
..sorry it's 100+
Not 100s

Yes they have. Think about it. They have installed capacity to produce but they aren't able to. Why? They are waiting for silver bullet block 3. It's also possible that their economy isn't supporting larger number. It's also possible that block 2 can't be meaningfully upgraded to block 3 standard or to block 2++, that's why production has slacked.

In all, installing a capacity of 24 per year and not fully exploiting it shows a disconnect between what they had planned and what has transpired in the mean time, including in the exports front.

 

[ladder]

Well he might start with Mig-21. After a few sorties, either he'll go onto Rafale training or MKI or Tejas.

He is already qualified in Su30. In the old Rocky and Mayur video, he was a part of Su30 squadron.

 

[IndianHawk]

Yes they have. Think about it. They have installed capacity to produce but they aren't able to. Why? They are waiting for silver bullet block 3. It's also possible that their economy isn't supporting larger number. It's also possible that block 2 can't be meaningfully upgraded to block 3 standard or to block 2++, that's why production has slacked.

In all, installing a capacity of 24 per year and not fully exploiting it shows a disconnect between what they had planned and what has transpired in the mean time, including in the exports front.

There economy can't even buy jf17 now. They are flying 50-60 years old mirage 3 and 5 and Chengdu f7.

Wikipedia says they have 90 mirage 3 + 90 mirage 5 + 80 f7 = 260 obsolete plane . And yet they are waiting for block 3? Can they afford 260 block 3 jets ? Even at 40 million a piece it will cost = 10billion + for just the planes. And then infrastructure and maintenance of Russian engine with high crash rate.

Paki can't keep up the charade. If they want semi decent modern plane there airforce need to reduce numbers.

Even there older f16 are 30 years old and we have shot one down .lol.

 

[Longewala]

100s ?? They have 50 block 1 and 50 block 2. Additionally they have ordered 12 single seater and a few trainers to tide over the time till block 3 comes into production.

So, about 100 to 110 jf17 were produced in 11 years ( 2008 to current year). The average is about 10/yr. Not an extraordinary feat by any means.

You forgot to add on all those hundreds of export orders

 

[ladder]

You forgot to add on all those hundreds of export orders

Oh yes Sir. 3 to be delivered to Nigeria. Rest 97+ are waiting in showroom wrapped in red ribbon for customers.

Let's take further discussion to appropriate thread.

 

[Bleh]

You forgot to add on all those hundreds of export orders

Are you high?.. Myanmar has 6 (one squadron ordered) & Nigeria ordered 3, not one has been delivered yet!

 

[Saichand K]

That's an old photo on the internet I found randomly . It's hard to believe Tejas hasn't tested rockets when lch has done it which came much later.

Anyway we don't see new photos with rocket pods and even in GAGAN Shakti Tejas droped bombs with LDP. So probably rockets are now sole domain of combat helicopter.

Slowing down a supersonic fighter to fire puny rockets seems inefficient when lch can do this more easily and more effectively. Lca can simply bomb the whole enemy caravan to the smithereens.

We all know that Tejas is a multi-role aircraft and it can fire multiple weapons during various roles. However, my point is Tejas has not been tested for rocket firing yet, which is surprising. I guess once the gun firing trails are completed, they might attempt rocket firing as well (keeping in mind vibration tests). Tejas can fire rockets at tank columns and then move away from the SAMs of the tank columns more easily as compared to LCH. We should note that one important criteria for replacing Mig-27 is the ability to fire rockets and gun seamlessly (for CAS operation). In the same note, one important criteria to replace Mig-21 bison in today's norms is the ability to fire BVR and WVR missiles.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

83 LCAs Order: HAL may finally agree to lower price


BENGALURU: Staring at a depleting order book, defence PUS Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) — negotiating price for the 83 Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas aircraft order — is likely to agree to a price that is significantly lower than its quotation.

According to sources privy to the negotiations, HAL quoted Rs 450 crore per aircraft as the basic price. “MoD and IAF (customers) are firm that this price is not competitive and are negotiating for a price that is less than Rs 300 crore per aircraft. Negotiations are nearly complete and final price is likely to be in the range of Rs 250 crore and Rs 275 crore,” a source said.

If the price is Rs 275 crore, then the value of 83 LCAs would be about Rs 22,825 crore compared to Rs 37,350 crore if it was Rs 450 crore. This value would be excluding maintenance and other aspects of the overall deal. It’s noteworthy that former defence minister Nirmala Sitharaman had pegged the total value of LCA order at Rs 50,000 crore in January.

“HAL really has no choice. If we need to sustain our production lines and the employees, we need fresh orders, and this is one of the bigger orders which will go on for at least five years,” a source said.
At present HAL has orders worth only Rs 45,000 crore, with a major concern brewing in its plant in Nasik, which has orders to sustain only until March 2020. According to MoD, HAL has orders for 48 fixed wing aircraft—only 12 of these for Nasik plant—67 helicopters, 80 engines and 26 sets of rocket structures placed by Isro (See graphic).

One source claimed: “The Gripen, which has features similar to LCA, was costing less than Rs 300 crore per plane and that HAL must become competitive and be able to offer similar price.” Gripen is manufactured by Swedish firm SAAB.

Another source said that this would benefit HAL in the long run to increase efficiency to reduce costs. Eventually, the aim is to export LCAs and HAL has already expressed an interest in supplying them to Malaysia. If it wants to export, it needs to price aircraft in the same range as others.

“Why would anybody pay Rs 450 crore for Tejas if they can buy Gripens for cheaper,” the source argued, adding: “Also, HAL quoted 2.5 lakh man hours to build one aircraft and the customers want it to be 1.5 lakh hours,” a source said.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...agree-to-lower-price/articleshow/70823895.cms

HAL bonds Indian Air Force to pay to for their inefficiencies.why would anybody a for your inefficiency?

 

[Bleh]

Tejas can fire rockets at tank columns and then move away from the SAMs of the tank columns more easily as compared to LCH.

Mig-27's style is from a bygone era... Tejas can (comperatively) much more safely drop off-bore LGBs on said anti-aircraft elements of their tank column while fending off enemy's aerial resistance.

After that workhorses like LCH (..maybe UAVs in future) will take over the job of firing long-range ATGMs at their armour.

 

[patriots]

Tejas from baharin air show ....

With all manuevers..........

 

[Bleh]

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[patriots]

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Hmmm....
I have written baharin air show..........
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[Bleh]

Hmmm....
I have written baharin air show..........
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This is the best Tejas display until now!! Won't you agree?

We should have participated in Paris airshow too, follow jf-17 everywhere... I guess we don't have enough to spare yet.

 

[IndianHawk]

This is the best Tejas display until now!! Won't you agree?

We should have participated in Paris airshow too, follow jf-17 everywhere... I guess we don't have enough to spare yet.

There are no potential customers in Europe.

 

[Bleh]

There are no potential customers in Europe.

Sure there are... We won't be selling to France, nor in hundreds! But there are several small fry still operate Mig-21s & old unupgraded shit.

Like Slovenian, Croatian, Bosnia-Herzegovinan, Romanian, Serbian, Bulgarian, Albanian, Montenegro, Moldovan, Belarusian, Lithuanian, Latvian, Estonian etc. air forces.
We could land orders for a squadron here, another there is we actually got off our asses & fucking tried.

 

[IndianHawk]

Sure there are... We won't be selling to France, nor in hundreds! But there are several small fry still operate Mig-21s & old unupgraded shit.

Like Slovenian, Croatian, Bosnia-Herzegovinan, Romanian, Serbian, Bulgarian, Albanian, Montenegro, Moldovan, Belarusian, Lithuanian, Latvian, Estonian etc. air forces.
We could land orders for a squadron here, another there is we actually got off our asses & fucking tried.

These are either under influence of Russia or NATO. And they have European / American options f16 and gripen which are NATO compatible.

We should focus on South East Asia. Latin America and Africa and smaller gulf countries.

 

[IndianHawk]

We all know that Tejas is a multi-role aircraft and it can fire multiple weapons during various roles. However, my point is Tejas has not been tested for rocket firing yet, which is surprising. I guess once the gun firing trails are completed, they might attempt rocket firing as well (keeping in mind vibration tests). Tejas can fire rockets at tank columns and then move away from the SAMs of the tank columns more easily as compared to LCH. We should note that one important criteria for replacing Mig-27 is the ability to fire rockets and gun seamlessly (for CAS operation). In the same note, one important criteria to replace Mig-21 bison in today's norms is the ability to fire BVR and WVR missiles.

For destroying tanks helicopters are anyday better than jets as they can fly real slow and targets tanks and armoured vehicles better.

Mig27 is a legacy of a world without combat helicopters like Apache or lch.

And of you want to destroy whole column of enemy rather than few tanks than lgb are best bet. For that lca has already demonstrated.