LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Chinmoy]

Isn't Sp-41 to Sp-50 also Trainers ?

As the order of 83 have 10 mk1 Trainers and 73 Mk1a ?




So 2028/29 onwards Mk2 ....

Yes. Out of 83, 10 would be trainers. But whether it would be SP-41 to 50 or SP-114 to SP-123, not known as of now. The trainers would be made in a different facility and in all probability these would be last in the line.

 

[samsaptaka]

THAT'S YOUR PERSONAL OPINION.

An operational Tejas would not exist if we had prioritised our effort on Kaveri (money cannot hasten engine development, as the Chinks found out)... If imported engines weren't used we'd be tampering with engines upto 2030, instead today we're designing TEDBF from scratch in 1 year!

I think you are inferring hidden meanings. Nowhere did I say that we should have built Tejas with indigenous engine only. Money is also very much required along with time when it comes to jet engine development. In fact for any RnD Money is the starting point. Compared to chinks we have spent peanuts in engine development. In fact even the basics are not there, like a flying test bed, etc.. Development of engine and manufacturing of Tejas with GE engine can and should happen in parallel. We simply CANNOT be completely dependant on Unkil for the engine, esp. since now we have a commie Biden as POTUS whose strings are pulled by porkies and leftists

 

[Bleh]

I think you are inferring hidden meanings. Nowhere did I say that we should have built Tejas with indigenous engine only. Money is also very much required along with time when it comes to jet engine development. In fact for any RnD Money is the starting point. Compared to chinks we have spent peanuts in engine development. In fact even the basics are not there, like a flying test bed, etc.. Development of engine and manufacturing of Tejas with GE engine can and should happen in parallel. We simply CANNOT be completely dependant on Unkil for the engine, esp. since now we have a commie Biden as POTUS whose strings are pulled by porkies and leftists

Ok my bad. But we've had multipke "commie" US prez before... Nuke test got us into sactions. Not just any political powerplay.

 

[Trololo]

Yes statistically that makes sense but does it mean Rafale is underpowered because of M88 engines or there is more to it than just the pure thrust numbers?

Obviously aerodynamic shaping, performance requirements, and mission profiles add more to the story than the raw numbers. But in sheer performance terms the Rafale lacks the massive excess power that the Typhoon enjoys, which makes it so capable in the high altitude high performance A2A game (even trumps the MKI here). TEDBF and ORCA will most likely mitigate this problem.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

Obviously aerodynamic shaping, performance requirements, and mission profiles add more to the story than the raw numbers. But in sheer performance terms the Rafale lacks the massive excess power that the Typhoon enjoys, which makes it so capable in the high altitude high performance A2A game (even trumps the MKI here). TEDBF and ORCA will most likely mitigate this problem.

There is no ORCA. Please stop it. ORCA as mooted as a design, but as the recent videos have shown, we now have a better design in the works for TEDBF. If by ORCA you mean TEDBF-Air Force version (which is still unconfirmed), then please just call it TEDBF-AF or something. ORCA as it was originally mooted is not happening. Period.

 

[Bhumihar]

Yes statistically that makes sense but does it mean Rafale is underpowered because of M88 engines or there is more to it than just the pure thrust numbers?

TBDEF is supposed to be heavier than Rafale I guess besides u need higher thrust on seas anyway.

 

[Bleh]

There is no ORCA. Please stop it. ORCA as mooted as a design, but as the recent videos have shown, we now have a better design in the works for TEDBF. If by ORCA you mean TEDBF-Air Force version (which is still unconfirmed), then please just call it TEDBF-AF or something. ORCA as it was originally mooted is not happening. Period.

I think he meant TEDBF only...

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

I think he meant TEDBF only...

Its confusing bro.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Yes. Out of 83, 10 would be trainers. But whether it would be SP-41 to 50 or SP-114 to SP-123, not known as of now. The trainers would be made in a different facility and in all probability these would be last in the line.

Why will we opt for Mk1 configuration for trainers at the end when we already have Mk1a configuration with AESA radar and other improvements.

What I can understand is these 10 might be a buffer to keep assembly line running.

 

[aviationgeek]

Why will we opt for Mk1 configuration for trainers at the end when we already have Mk1a configuration with AESA radar and other improvements.

What I can understand is these 10 might be a buffer to keep assembly line running.

they will be from SP41 onwards

 

[Roland55]

Has the Tejas received any ASM armament ? (Brahmos?, exocet?, maybe something russian?)

 

[Bleh]

Has the Tejas received any ASM armament ? (Brahmos?, exocet?, maybe something russian?)

We're still working on our AShM. Brahmos-NG & RudraM-3 will be equipped on Mark2. But India is to use Tejas for CAP & CAS mostly.

Mark1 is less likely to get those... Maybe the LIFT export version.

 

[Chinmoy]

Why will we opt for Mk1 configuration for trainers at the end when we already have Mk1a configuration with AESA radar and other improvements.

What I can understand is these 10 might be a buffer to keep assembly line running.

Who said we are opting for Mk1 configuration in Mk1A trainers?

 

[Flying Dagger]

Who said we are opting for Mk1 configuration in Mk1A trainers?

The article mentioned contract for 10 mk1 trainers and 73 Mk1a single seat fighter jet that's why I asked in the first place.

If it's Mk1a trainer then it's fine.

 

[Bleh]

Who said we are opting for Mk1 configuration in Mk1A trainers?

Far too lower costs for trainer to nbe Mark1A... Maybe will get AESA radar, but definitely not some other avionic components.

 

[Bleh]

 

[Chinmoy]

Far too lower costs for trainer to nbe Mark1A... Maybe will get AESA radar, but definitely not some other avionic components.

Yeah, it seems the trainer variant would be Mk1 standard instead of Mk1A.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Yeah, it seems the trainer variant would be Mk1 standard instead of Mk1A.

Yup, all 18 trainers(8 from the 40 Mk1 deal + 10 from the Mk1A deal) are going to be of Mk1 FOC standards.

 

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[Chandragupt Maurya]

I hear Astra mk2 is about to be tested from Su30mki