LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Bleh]

It is a metal sheet, no way it is radar transparent. In fact, the convex surface is perfect for reflecting radar.

How do you know its metal?.. The plastic tip-cone of my pen is shiny too.

 

[Cruise missile]

cutway pic from 2002

Is there a new version ?

It is different version look properly.

 

[mokoman]

It is different version look properly.

obviously , its from 2002 . maybe for first flight design .

i was asking pic/diagram for latest design.

 

[AVAST]

I think it's radar transparent... Not sure what the thing is tho.

Its APU exhaust most likely made out of nickel alloys

 

[notaname]

 

[samsaptaka]

Sp 23
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Any high res pic available ?

 

[DivineLight]

Even if it is extremely unpopular to criticize HAL and ADA, have to ask serious question.

Can they deliver next 5 Tejas by march, 2021?

Earlier reports were about HAL working on war-footing to roll out SP-21,22,23,24. To quote it,

HAL officials say that they are confident of the first flight of SP-21 sometime this month with the aircraft currently undergoing various system integration checks.

~~~

HAL says two more aircraft (SP-22 and SP-23) are already under equipping stage and SP-24
will be moved to the equipping stage by mid of January.

~~~

The production facility at HAL is abuzz with activities as four sets of airframe structures (SP-25 to SP-28) are under advanced stages of completion. These structures will be ready to move to the coupling stage by end of March 2020.

“In these additional structures being built, one of the airframe structures will be dedicated for MAFT (Main Air-frame Fatigue Test Specimen), which will be used for testing to extend the life of aircraft to minimum 3000 hours of flying. Fabrication of this test specimen will be completed by March 2020,” the official adds.

Report was from jan 7th, 2020. It was posted in this very thread.

So airframes are ready for SP-25 to SP-28. One year passed. They have set target of march, 2021 to deliver all of them.

 

[Bleh]

Can they deliver next 5 Tejas by march, 2021?
...
So airframes are ready for SP-25 to SP-28. One year passed. They have set target of march, 2021 to deliver all of them.

Should be. There were more tidbits posted after that.

SP-23 was supposed to fly a 6 months ago. 24 & 25 are built, awaiting engine run... 26 & 27 are somewhere in final checks.
Didn't know about 28.

Let's see.

 

[DivineLight]

Let's see.

How will you feel if they miss the date? Cuz March is like 2 months from now. Are you going to be okay if they come up with some excuse?

 

[WARREN SS]

Next generation scientists things moving great
Finally we are catching up

 

[Cruise missile]

Next generation scientists things moving great
Finally we are catching up

So foundation has been laid

 

[Bleh]

How will you feel if they miss the date? Cuz March is like 2 months from now. Are you going to be okay if they come up with some excuse?

Feelings are not part of this equation.

This delay had logistical teething issues (what you've called "excuse") & last minute alterations (discussed before), that are not very clearly known to us yet. For some reason they're not going past ground engine-run. SP-23 had completed low & high-speed taxi trials, and was supposed to be ready for its first flight by end of September. a week after SP-22. That happened only now.

We know that several jets have been built & are lined up, they'll be handed over when they'll be handed over. Rushing it half-baked won't do any good.

 

[Cruise missile]

Sp 23.

 

[Pandora]

Sp 23.
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Finishing is top notch...Kudos to HAL

 

[Bleh]

Several countries have shown interest in Tejas: HAL chairman
By Manash Pratim Bhuyan
January 24, 2021 19:05 IST

The delivery of the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) to the Indian Air Force under a deal of total Rs 48,000-crore will begin from March 2024 & around 18 aircraft will be rolled out annually till the completion of the total supply of 83 jets, Chairman and Managing Director of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited R Madhavan said on Sunday.

In an interview to PTI, Madhavan also said that a number of countries have shown keen interest in procurement of the Tejas aircraft and that the first export order is likely to come by in the next couple of years.

Madhavan said that Tejas Mark 1A jet has superior performance levels compared to China's JF-17 combat aircraft as it has better engine, radar system and electronic warfare suit, besides an edge in the overall technology.

"The biggest difference, of course, is the air-to-air refuelling which is non-existent in the competitor's plane," he said.

The Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) chaired by Prime Minister Narendra Modi on January 13 approved the Rs 48,000-crore deal to procure 73 Tejas Mk-1A variants and 10 LCA Tejas Mk-1 trainer aircraft from the HAL to boost the Indian Air Force's combat prowess.

Giving a break-up of the cost components, Madhavan said the basic price of the aircraft will be around Rs 25,000 crore while Rs 11,000 crore will be used for ground support equipment and other required infrastructure at the bases and around Rs 7,000 for basic customs duty and output GST.

The HAL chairman said the cost for each fighter version of the aircraft will be ₹309 crore and ₹280 crore for the trainer.

"The price is tight but we are fine with it," Madhavan said.
The total cost of Rs 48,000 crore includes design and development cost of Rs 2,500 crore to be given to Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and around Rs 2,250 crore set aside for variations in foreign currency exchange rate.

The Tejas Mk-1A will be equipped with an active electronically scanned array radar, beyond visual range missile, electronic warfare suite and air-to-air refuelling system.

A formal contract for the deal is expected to be signed between the HAL and the IAF on February 5 at the Aero India exhibition in the presence of President Ram Nath Kovind.

"Three years is the strategic timeline for developing infrastructure as well as delivery of the aircraft. We will meet the timeline.
"The first aircraft is expected to be delivered by March 2024. Initially we will supply around 8 aircraft & increase the number to atleast 16 annually by 2025," Madhavan said.
"We are planning for more than 16 aircraft annually so that in case of any other order coming in, we can take it up. We are already increasing production rates.
The second phase of the LCA plant has already come up, though we need it after 2024-25," he said.

The IAF has already inducted a batch of Tejas aircraft as part of its initial order of 40 jets.
Madhavan said the Tejas programme will boost the overall aerospace sector in India, noting that it currently involves 563 domestic enterprises. "And it will go up to 600 to 650. This is important for the ecosystem."

He said Tejas will be able to operate as efficiently as any other aircraft in all regions including mountainous Ladakh.

The government has been majorly focusing on boosting domestic defence production and set a target of Rs 1.75 lakh crore ($25 billion) turnover in defence manufacturing by 2025. According to estimates, the Indian armed forces are projected to spend around $130 billion in capital procurement in the next five years. In May last year, Finance Minister Nirmala Sitharaman rolled out several reform measures for the defence sector including making separate budgetary outlay to procure Indian-made military hardware, increasing foreign direct investment limit from 49 per cent to 74 percent under the automatic route and generating a year-wise negative list of weapons which won't be imported.

 

[Pandora]

Several countries have shown interest in Tejas: HAL chairman
By Manash Pratim Bhuyan
January 24, 2021 19:05 IST

The delivery of the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) to the Indian Air Force under a deal of total Rs 48,000-crore will begin from March 2024 & around 18 aircraft will be rolled out annually till the completion of the total supply of 83 jets, Chairman and Managing Director of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited R Madhavan said on Sunday.

In an interview to PTI, Madhavan also said that a number of countries have shown keen interest in procurement of the Tejas aircraft and that the first export order is likely to come by in the next couple of years.

Madhavan said that Tejas Mark 1A jet has superior performance levels compared to China's JF-17 combat aircraft as it has better engine, radar system and electronic warfare suit, besides an edge in the overall technology.

"The biggest difference, of course, is the air-to-air refuelling which is non-existent in the competitor's plane," he said.

The Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) chaired by Prime Minister Narendra Modi on January 13 approved the Rs 48,000-crore deal to procure 73 Tejas Mk-1A variants and 10 LCA Tejas Mk-1 trainer aircraft from the HAL to boost the Indian Air Force's combat prowess.

Giving a break-up of the cost components, Madhavan said the basic price of the aircraft will be around Rs 25,000 crore while Rs 11,000 crore will be used for ground support equipment and other required infrastructure at the bases and around Rs 7,000 for basic customs duty and output GST.

The HAL chairman said the cost for each fighter version of the aircraft will be ₹309 crore and ₹280 crore for the trainer.

"The price is tight but we are fine with it," Madhavan said.
The total cost of Rs 48,000 crore includes design and development cost of Rs 2,500 crore to be given to Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and around Rs 2,250 crore set aside for variations in foreign currency exchange rate.

The Tejas Mk-1A will be equipped with an active electronically scanned array radar, beyond visual range missile, electronic warfare suite and air-to-air refuelling system.

A formal contract for the deal is expected to be signed between the HAL and the IAF on February 5 at the Aero India exhibition in the presence of President Ram Nath Kovind.

"Three years is the strategic timeline for developing infrastructure as well as delivery of the aircraft. We will meet the timeline.
"The first aircraft is expected to be delivered by March 2024. Initially we will supply around 8 aircraft & increase the number to atleast 16 annually by 2025," Madhavan said.
"We are planning for more than 16 aircraft annually so that in case of any other order coming in, we can take it up. We are already increasing production rates.
The second phase of the LCA plant has already come up, though we need it after 2024-25," he said.

The IAF has already inducted a batch of Tejas aircraft as part of its initial order of 40 jets.
Madhavan said the Tejas programme will boost the overall aerospace sector in India, noting that it currently involves 563 domestic enterprises. "And it will go up to 600 to 650. This is important for the ecosystem."

He said Tejas will be able to operate as efficiently as any other aircraft in all regions including mountainous Ladakh.

The government has been majorly focusing on boosting domestic defence production and set a target of Rs 1.75 lakh crore ($25 billion) turnover in defence manufacturing by 2025. According to estimates, the Indian armed forces are projected to spend around $130 billion in capital procurement in the next five years. In May last year, Finance Minister Nirmala Sitharaman rolled out several reform measures for the defence sector including making separate budgetary outlay to procure Indian-made military hardware, increasing foreign direct investment limit from 49 per cent to 74 percent under the automatic route and generating a year-wise negative list of weapons which won't be imported.

CC to Mr Yusuf daaruwala......dafaux

 

[HawkisRight]

Several countries have shown interest in Tejas: HAL chairman
By Manash Pratim Bhuyan
January 24, 2021 19:05 IST

The delivery of the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) to the Indian Air Force under a deal of total Rs 48,000-crore will begin from March 2024 & around 18 aircraft will be rolled out annually till the completion of the total supply of 83 jets, Chairman and Managing Director of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited R Madhavan said on Sunday.

In an interview to PTI, Madhavan also said that a number of countries have shown keen interest in procurement of the Tejas aircraft and that the first export order is likely to come by in the next couple of years.

Madhavan said that Tejas Mark 1A jet has superior performance levels compared to China's JF-17 combat aircraft as it has better engine, radar system and electronic warfare suit, besides an edge in the overall technology.

"The biggest difference, of course, is the air-to-air refuelling which is non-existent in the competitor's plane," he said.

The Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) chaired by Prime Minister Narendra Modi on January 13 approved the Rs 48,000-crore deal to procure 73 Tejas Mk-1A variants and 10 LCA Tejas Mk-1 trainer aircraft from the HAL to boost the Indian Air Force's combat prowess.

Giving a break-up of the cost components, Madhavan said the basic price of the aircraft will be around Rs 25,000 crore while Rs 11,000 crore will be used for ground support equipment and other required infrastructure at the bases and around Rs 7,000 for basic customs duty and output GST.

The HAL chairman said the cost for each fighter version of the aircraft will be ₹309 crore and ₹280 crore for the trainer.

"The price is tight but we are fine with it," Madhavan said.
The total cost of Rs 48,000 crore includes design and development cost of Rs 2,500 crore to be given to Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and around Rs 2,250 crore set aside for variations in foreign currency exchange rate.

The Tejas Mk-1A will be equipped with an active electronically scanned array radar, beyond visual range missile, electronic warfare suite and air-to-air refuelling system.

A formal contract for the deal is expected to be signed between the HAL and the IAF on February 5 at the Aero India exhibition in the presence of President Ram Nath Kovind.

"Three years is the strategic timeline for developing infrastructure as well as delivery of the aircraft. We will meet the timeline.
"The first aircraft is expected to be delivered by March 2024. Initially we will supply around 8 aircraft & increase the number to atleast 16 annually by 2025," Madhavan said.
"We are planning for more than 16 aircraft annually so that in case of any other order coming in, we can take it up. We are already increasing production rates.
The second phase of the LCA plant has already come up, though we need it after 2024-25," he said.

The IAF has already inducted a batch of Tejas aircraft as part of its initial order of 40 jets.
Madhavan said the Tejas programme will boost the overall aerospace sector in India, noting that it currently involves 563 domestic enterprises. "And it will go up to 600 to 650. This is important for the ecosystem."

He said Tejas will be able to operate as efficiently as any other aircraft in all regions including mountainous Ladakh.

The government has been majorly focusing on boosting domestic defence production and set a target of Rs 1.75 lakh crore ($25 billion) turnover in defence manufacturing by 2025. According to estimates, the Indian armed forces are projected to spend around $130 billion in capital procurement in the next five years. In May last year, Finance Minister Nirmala Sitharaman rolled out several reform measures for the defence sector including making separate budgetary outlay to procure Indian-made military hardware, increasing foreign direct investment limit from 49 per cent to 74 percent under the automatic route and generating a year-wise negative list of weapons which won't be imported.

Man all these years patience, hard work paying dividends slowly..LCA programme paved way for mk1a and mk1a will pave the way for Mk2/MWF...I have a gut felling that multirole fighter Tejas Mk2/MWF will become a success story for Indian fighter MIC..Keep ur heads down and keep doing hard work sincerely a lot of good times ahead..Now only thing required is GoI should push for privatization and Armed forces should come together to develop a strong MIC for India's requirements...DRDO should be solely left for r&d

 

[samsaptaka]

Man all these years patience, hard work paying dividends slowly..LCA programme paved way for mk1a and mk1a will pave the way for Mk2/MWF...I have a gut felling that multirole fighter Tejas Mk2/MWF will become a success story for Indian fighter MIC..Keep ur heads down and keep doing hard work sincerely a lot of good times ahead..Now only thing required is GoI should push for privatization and Armed forces should come together to develop a strong MIC for India's requirements...DRDO should be solely left for r&d

I think you forget the most important thing - our own engine. Without this we will not attain true indigenous aircraft MIC. That should be *the* first priority of any govt. But sadly I don't see the required amount of investment in that direction.

 

[Bleh]

I think you forget the most important thing - our own engine. Without this we will not attain true indigenous aircraft MIC. That should be *the* first priority of any govt. But sadly I don't see the required amount of investment in that direction.

THAT'S YOUR PERSONAL OPINION.

An operational Tejas would not exist if we had prioritised our effort on Kaveri (money cannot hasten engine development, as the Chinks found out)... If imported engines weren't used we'd be tampering with engines upto 2030, instead today we're designing TEDBF from scratch in 1 year!

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

THAT'S YOUR PERSONAL OPINION.

An operational Tejas would not exist if we had prioritised our effort on Kaveri (money cannot hasten engine development, as the Chinks found out)... If imported engines weren't used we'd be tampering with engines upto 2030, instead today we're designing TEDBF from scratch in 1 year!

having a 110 kn engine will be a bigger achievement