LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Haldilal]

Great opportunity for comparison ruined by some retard... Couldn't even align the two videos with Tejas one starting at 2-3 second (about 30° angle) lag. Anybody has the video editing skill to download & fix the mismatch?

Nonetheless the rate of turn is absolutely same in this case.


Not only unauthorised, but too costly... A full BVR armament load would cost a much as the whole Tejas jet.

Fuck . Time to ramp up production of Astra Mk1 foreign mal bohot hua.

Maverick Bharat is dong all the work with the 20,000 rupees laptop that he brought from crowd funding on the tweet. I also donated to him but that was an extremely low amount.

 

[Bleh]

Good news if Python can be integrated on Tejas it's a cost saver in comparison to ASRAAM , but isn't the airframe itself had turbulence launching it ?

Though R-73 took down a F-16 and now R-74 and K-74 /m2 are also available what is so unreliable now after more than a decade ?

Python-5 is back as an option. Don't know any details on how, or its present status.

And R-73 missed a fucking flare in one exercise, a banshee target drone at tail-chase in another. Rusky sensor-software & electronics is crap.
Also so-called "dogfight" on 27th was very shady... The Mig-21 didn't fire BVR & had drop-tanks still attached. There's a high probability that the F-16 was pretending to be bait as another shot BVR at the Indian jet.

 

[Kumata]

Python-5 is back in the game. Don't know details.

And R-73 missed a fucking flare in one exercise, a banshee target drone at tail-chase in another. Rusky sensor-software & electronics is crap.
Also so-called "dogfight" on 27th was very shady... The Mig-21 didn't fire BVR & had drop-tanks still attached. There's a high probability that the F-16 was pretending to be bait as another shot BVR at the Indian jet.

So are we saying that Abhinanda did not shot down F 16 ....

 

[Bleh]

So are we saying that Abhinanda did not shot down F 16 ....

I meant Varthaman most possibly thought he was sneaking up on the F-16 pair until the BVR hit him. That explains not firing BVR & not punching tanks (only other explanation would be criminal-level overconfident rambo attitude).

In which case the R-73 had a straight simple path to impact as the F-16 wasn't at hard maneuvre... So it doesn't prove its capability. That was my point.

Keep in mind here that IAF wants Derby-Mica integrated to Su-30 as stopgap until Astra is available in bulk, despite ordering a huge batch of "latest" R-VV in 2019... Russian missile tech is that bad!

 

[JBH22]

Python-5 is back as an option. Don't know any details on how, or its present status.

And R-73 missed a fucking flare in one exercise, a banshee target drone at tail-chase in another. Rusky sensor-software & electronics is crap.
Also so-called "dogfight" on 27th was very shady... The Mig-21 didn't fire BVR & had drop-tanks still attached. There's a high probability that the F-16 was pretending to be bait as another shot BVR at the Indian jet.

Going by same logic AMRAAM fucked up big time when it missed Sukhoi 30 Mki.
Technology, Tactics and some luck saves the day
It's a fact whether you use indigenous, western or eastern tech

 

[Bleh]

Going by same logic AMRAAM fucked up big time when it missed Sukhoi 30 Mki.

No. Incorrect... AMRAAM didn't fuck up. They were launched at max limit from 100km away. Not at all the same as R-73 missing flares & target drones within visual range in exercise.

Used in a proper way at proper range, with proper AWACS support AMRAAM could indeed shoot down Su-30. It successfully shot down Syrian Mig-29 quite recently.

 

[Kumata]

No. Incorrect... AMRAAM didn't fuck up. They were launched at max limit from 100km away. Not the same as missing flares & target drones in exercise.

Used in a proper way at proper range, with proper AWACS support AMRAAM could indeed shoot down Su-30. It successfully shot down Syrian Mig-29 quite recently.

Story is that AAMRAMS were bleeded to death by SU 30 powerful radars . rest, we know that SU did not fired back since they were carrying R73

 

[Bleh]

AAMRAMS were bleeded to death by SU 30 powerful radars.

I'm not sure how that'd work. But it's off-topic & pointless now 1.5years later.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Python-5 is back as an option. Don't know any details on how, or its present status.

And R-73 missed a fucking flare in one exercise, a banshee target drone at tail-chase in another. Rusky sensor-software & electronics is crap.
Also so-called "dogfight" on 27th was very shady... The Mig-21 didn't fire BVR & had drop-tanks still attached. There's a high probability that the F-16 was pretending to be bait as another shot BVR at the Indian jet.

I remember that happened in last year exercise ASRAAM was chosen for the same reason to replace R-73 and Russia offered R-74 and now K-74m2 is also going to be available.

Even Astra mk1 missed the target. Had russian seeker then ?

ASRAAM and python both are better choices though.

But what do you mean shady ?

You don't believe in Abhi or IAF account of that dogfight ?

 

[Shashank Nayak]

What about the order for 248 Astra Mk1.. are they going to be equipped with Indian Seeker?
Also, how many FOC LCA tejas delivered? 2 ?

 

[Bleh]

Even Astra mk1 missed the target. Had russian seeker then ?

Yep. Prototype.

About the dogfight I explained in details what I meant... Punching tanks is 1st thing to do before entering high-G. The tank was still attached, which means no hard maneuvers was done by either before the Mig-21 shot the R-73 & was hit itself, pointing at sneaking up on the F-16 (or so he was led to believe). Not doing BVRs suggest that too, it would alert the Paki pilots.

What about the order for 248 Astra Mk1.. are they going to be equipped with Indian Seeker?
Also, how many FOC LCA tejas delivered? 2 ?

1 delivered. 1 status unknown. Both could be back for latest updates. 4 waiting for updates installation before delivery. 4 in jigs. Read post from last 2 pages. Everything I got right now I wrote down. Waiting for more.

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

Any idea how capable are the R27 ET1/ER1 that India bought and the R 77-1.

Is Derby ER better?

 

[Bleh]

Any idea how capable are the R27 ET1/ER1 that India bought and the R 77-1.

Is Derby ER better?

Can't make absolute statements ofcourse, but IAF now wants vintage MICA integrated to Su-30 alongside Derby. That should tell you all you need to know about the BVRs ordered in 2019.

The 248 Astra will take time. 50 limited series have been cleared. Integration on various platforms will take place with the 1st.

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

Can't make absolute statements ofcourse, but IAF now wants vintage MICA integrated to Su-30 alongside Derby. That should tell you all you need to know about the BVRs ordered in 2019.

The 248 Astra will take time. 50 limited series have been cleared. Integration on various platforms will take place with the 1st.

May be because Mica can act as a short range missile in dog fights?

 

[Bleh]

May be because Mica can act as a short range missile in dog fights?

It can't beat ASRAAM already being integrated for short & mid ranges.

 

[scatterStorm]

Going by same logic AMRAAM fucked up big time when it missed Sukhoi 30 Mki.
Technology, Tactics and some luck saves the day
It's a fact whether you use indigenous, western or eastern tech

It didn't failed, we just depleated it's dmax advantage, by simply staying very far off and using evasive maneuver too.

 

[porky_kicker]

About the dogfight I explained in details what I meant... Punching tanks is 1st thing to do before entering high-G. The tank was still attached, which means no hard maneuvers was done by either before the Mig-21 shot the R-73 & was hit itself, pointing at sneaking up on the F-16 (or so he was led to believe). Not doing BVRs suggest that too, it would alert the Paki pilots.

A fighter looking to shoot down another one with WVR or BVR doesn't need to drop tanks . Tanks are rated to their corresponding G's especially supersonic tanks. Considerable maneuvering can be done with supersonic tanks attached, upto the G load to which the tanks and connectors are rated to.

Tanks are dropped when the aircraft needs to enter high Gs close to its airframe rated limits ( and that is obviously beyond the tanks G load ) inorder to evade incomming missiles or is forced into a dog fighter which requires him to pull high G's close to the airframes G limit. Even than a aircraft can retain the tanks without resorting to high G's if the pilot resorts to terrain masking or maneuvers into the radar notch , provided the situation/conditions so allows.

And Mig 21 trying to sneak in or snap up the F16 with a WVR launch has no reason to drop her supersonic tanks. And with an incoming missile very close a pilot will eject rather than fiddle with the option of dropping the tanks.

WVR was choosen because it allows the pilot to snap up the target very quickly compared to a BVR launch which requires a longer time to generate a firing solution and lock on.

 

[porky_kicker]

Python-5 is back as an option. Don't know any details on how, or its present status.

And R-73 missed a fucking flare in one exercise, a banshee target drone at tail-chase in another. Rusky sensor-software & electronics is crap.
Also so-called "dogfight" on 27th was very shady... The Mig-21 didn't fire BVR & had drop-tanks still attached. There's a high probability that the F-16 was pretending to be bait as another shot BVR at the Indian jet.

Problem with Russian missiles is serviceability and maintenance .

Indian procurement is crap they imported Soviet era missiles from multiple countries in different batches. Hence the imported stocks had lot of problems. Plus no thought was given to invest in supporting the testing , servicing and maintenance of the stocks.

Missing a flare is not that of a problem because the proximity detonation mechanism fails to be initiated by a very small sized target .

Target drones generally tow a flare so the reason to fail to detonate could be the same as above.

Western missiles of corresponding generation too will have the same problems more or less.

But all said and done this cannot be used as a excuse . Every weapon needs to be upgraded to retain its viability.

And than the said F16 was a poor bait lol because I remember seeing a video on twitter with the Mig 21 chasing the F16 at almost tree top heights.

The reason why the mig 21 got hit was because

His wing man was missing from the fight , nobody was there to cover his tail. While the F16 has cover from multiple F16s in the periphery.

The Mig 21 ended right among the enemies , IMO he should have broken off as nobody was there to cover him . Atleast 4 indian fighters should have entered the fight to make a good show .

IAF was it fault , it was out witted by PAF tactically .

Indian military mindset of senior officers is like that of a donkey , they always follow the trodden path . No capacity or will to innovate . ( Except for navy to some extent ) . This can still be seen in their British era mindset in the name of pig shit traditions , which they are yet to loose even after 70 years of independence.

 

[porky_kicker]

It didn't failed, we just depleated it's dmax advantage, by simply staying very far off and using evasive maneuver too.

The moment a radar guided missile is fired at Dmax , it is a waste. The very reason why it is termed as " mad dog " launch.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Can't make absolute statements ofcourse, but IAF now wants vintage MICA integrated to Su-30 alongside Derby. That should tell you all you need to know about the BVRs ordered in 2019.

The 248 Astra will take time. 50 limited series have been cleared. Integration on various platforms will take place with the 1st.

Derby ER has range advantage while MICA IR doesn't need integration with radar . It just needs aircraft to launch it as it is already mated with Israeli HMDS we use. We did the same with M2k by using R-73 on it for a decade.

Also we made billions of dollars of purchase of MICA missiles. That needs to be put in some use.