LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Karthi]

http://idrw.org/tedbf-orca-who-will-fund-2-billion-while-iaf-remains-non-commital/



We should cancel Mk 1A and MMRCA , buy another 36 Rafale and Mk1 . Invest the money in MWF , ORCA and AMCA . Upgrade Tejas MK 1 with MWF avionics in future

 

[Kumata]

http://idrw.org/tedbf-orca-who-will-fund-2-billion-while-iaf-remains-non-commital/



We should cancel Mk 1A and MMRCA , buy another 36 Rafale and Mk1 . Invest the money in MWF , ORCA and AMCA . Upgrade Tejas MK 1 with MWF avionics in future

Is not that typical propoganda of western world forces and arms dealer. UNtill how far can we rely on russians and americans with 2 asshole neighbors. Fact is we need to be self reliant in defence manufacturing. We must go thru this development cycle and build our own platforms .

2 billion USD Is peanuts for a 3 trillion economy.. wont call it even a pocket change ..

 

[Hydra3]

Nope... the same tactics were used via which ubcle sam's famed boys were roasted during a exercise in gwalior ..and same roast was repeated next year as well..

U can stop your propoganda.. not one is buying it...

https://greatgameindia.com/mig-21-bison/

Now go back to CCP and ask for more propoganda material... Numbers do not win war.. tactics and brain do... incase CCP do not tells u...

and stop using that old VPN software to hide ur real ip... I know which hole u r typing in from...

You are free to any software to check my ip address you idiot. I am not gonna show my adhar, pan card to any filthy brain.

 

[Kumata]

You are free to any software to check my ip address you idiot. I am not gonna show my adhar, pan card to any filthy brain.

Don't teach your father how to fuck...u were born out of his night of pleasure ... get lost now...

 

[fire starter]

http://idrw.org/tedbf-orca-who-will-fund-2-billion-while-iaf-remains-non-commital/



We should cancel Mk 1A and MMRCA , buy another 36 Rafale and Mk1 . Invest the money in MWF , ORCA and AMCA . Upgrade Tejas MK 1 with MWF avionics in future

orca/tedbf is complete waste of money it would have made sense if it came 10 years before no one will develop 4.5 gen jet in 2030 better to invest that money on AMCA rather than creating mess.

 

[Hydra3]

Don't teach your father how to fuck...u were born out of his night of pleasure ... get lost now...

But i can teach you well, specimens in your home.

 

[IndianHawk]

orca/tedbf is complete waste of money it would have made sense if it came 10 years before no one will develop 4.5 gen jet in 2030 better to invest that money on AMCA rather than creating mess.

Tedbf is necessary because naval amca is far far away. Naval jets need to be developed first with amca we are developing air Force jet first so naval amca will need lot of redesign and come much later than amca.

Tedbf saves a lot of money while promoting indegination as it substitutes the import of 57 foreign naval jets.

Think about it. 57 rafale -m or f18 will cost up upwards 10 billion USD.
While tedbf even if it takes 2 billion USD in development ( entire lca cost 1 billion USD in development and tedbf will have all enternals common with mwf ). And 100 million per jet to procure yet 60 tedbf will cost only 6+2 = 8 billion .

It will also come fast as all enternals radar / ew suite / spj /rwr/ maws/ weaponary will be common with mwf. Could be here before the third carrier is build by 2035 .

Orca will be just an spinoff of tedbf . Much easier to achieve then vice - versa. Depends on airforce .

BTW stealth is not just costly to make or procure but also to maintain. We can't go full stealth anytime soon. Stealth fighters will be used for special missions and to break the door in war but bulk of the job from patrolling to bombimg will be done by 4-4.5 gen birds. So orca will still be very relevant even in 2050-60 .

And don't forget porky can't afford stealth plane and can't maintain them even if China spares a few junk31. So 4-4.5 gen birds will be able to hold porky frontier freeing amca to take on chinks.

 

[IndianHawk]

http://idrw.org/tedbf-orca-who-will-fund-2-billion-while-iaf-remains-non-commital/



We should cancel Mk 1A and MMRCA , buy another 36 Rafale and Mk1 . Invest the money in MWF , ORCA and AMCA . Upgrade Tejas MK 1 with MWF avionics in future

Cancelling mk1a makes no sense. It is a pre-curser to mwf. Internal ew suite of mk1a will go on to fit into mwf. Elta 2052 aesa experience on mk1a will help fine tune uttam for mwf. Similarly weapon integration on mk1a will pave way for faster adoption on mwf. ( Both Astra and derby bvr). On top of that mk1a is very cheap. Mwf will be costly by comparison.

 

[Hydra3]

Tedbf is necessary because naval amca is far far away. Naval jets need to be developed first with amca we are developing air Force jet first so naval amca will need lot of redesign and come much later than amca.

Tedbf saves a lot of money while promoting indegination as it substitutes the import of 57 foreign naval jets.

Think about it. 57 rafale -m or f18 will cost up upwards 10 billion USD.
While tedbf even if it takes 2 billion USD in development ( entire lca cost 1 billion USD in development and tedbf will have all enternals common with mwf ). And 100 million per jet to procure yet 60 tedbf will cost only 6+2 = 8 billion .

It will also come fast as all enternals radar / ew suite / spj /rwr/ maws/ weaponary will be common with mwf. Could be here before the third carrier is build by 2035 .

Orca will be just an spinoff of tedbf . Much easier to achieve then vice - versa. Depends on airforce .

BTW stealth is not just costly to make or procure but also to maintain. We can't go full stealth anytime soon. Stealth fighters will be used for special missions and to break the door in war but bulk of the job from patrolling to bombimg will be done by 4-4.5 gen birds. So orca will still be very relevant even in 2050-60 .

And don't forget porky can't afford stealth plane and can't maintain them even if China spares a few junk31. So 4-4.5 gen birds will be able to hold porky frontier freeing amca to take on chinks.

Do we have the time to develop tedbf, lca took 19 years of development cycle from its first flight in 2001. Being a twin engine airframe, tedbf will require vigorous testings,ut may not take the same time as that of lca though.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Do we have the time to develop tedbf, lca took 19 years of development cycle from its first flight in 2001. Being a twin engine airframe, tedbf will require vigorous testings,ut may not take the same time as that of lca though.

Nope we don't need to redevelop everything this time. The time period won't be more since ADA is already working on AMCA . Tedbf seems to be slightly modified twin engine Tejas just like Mirage 4000 concept .

5-6 years will be enough to get it done.

 

[IndianHawk]

Do we have the time to develop tedbf, lca took 19 years of development cycle from its first flight in 2001. Being a twin engine airframe, tedbf will require vigorous testings,ut may not take the same time as that of lca though.

Lca was strverd of funding and it's components kept changing from engine to radar to radome . Tedbf and mwf have everything fixed already. Majority of components are already ready. If funding flows it will be on time. It's a derivative after all not a new plane. Think mirage iv from mirage.

 

[IndianHawk]

Nope we don't need to redevelop everything this time. The time period won't be more since ADA is already working on AMCA . Tedbf seems to be slightly modified twin engine Tejas just like Mirage 4000 concept .

5-6 years will be enough to get it done.

Exactly it's parallel development. Mwf , tedbf/orca , amca will share a lot . From radar to ew components to weapons and even lot of lrus ( smaller internal once ).

That is the benefit of lca program . We now have an ecosystem of Indian products .
Uttam radar , astra missile family , displays , fuel tanks, maws , digital rwr , secure sdr , Indian pods ,
Internal spj, senor fusion etc.

Once you have basic components in place outer platform is not that difficult to build unless it's stealth which is a different game.

In next 7-8 years we will not only deliver mwf to iaf but also tedbf will be flying and reaching ioc . Beside amca and aura both will be flying in advance prototypes.

Just wait and watch and explosion of Indian aerospace is coming.

 

[Hydra3]

Lca was strverd of funding and it's components kept changing from engine to radar to radome . Tedbf and mwf have everything fixed already. Majority of components are already ready. If funding flows it will be on time. It's a derivative after all not a new plane. Think mirage iv from mirage.

I dont think coding for tedbf fly by wire system will be written with ease, every thing will have to write from scratch. Its my opinion.

 

[Gaurav Rai]

Bencho bhar bhar k kam se kam 500 tejas order krdo 250 mk1a fir tb tk mk2 bn jaega to baki mk2. Gaand faadni h porkies ki jaldi se jaldi.

 

[ashdoc]

Bencho bhar bhar k kam se kam 500 tejas order krdo 250 mk1a fir tb tk mk2 bn jaega to baki mk2. Gaand faadni h porkies ki jaldi se jaldi.

Production rate of tejas is 8 per year at the moment , even though it is planned to double it this year. Calculate how many years it will take to produce 500 tejas at this rate.

 

[Snowcat]

orca/tedbf is complete waste of money it would have made sense if it came 10 years before no one will develop 4.5 gen jet in 2030 better to invest that money on AMCA rather than creating mess.

Just for mere numbers we can't abandon the 4.5 gen platform. The problem with going straight to AMCA will be a complete change of platform, single engine to double engine

Production rate of tejas is 8 per year at the moment , even though it is planned to double it this year. Calculate how many years it will take to produce 500 tejas at this rate.

If they get such large orders, obviously they would be ramping up the production line. But they won't thus no need to talk about it.

 

[dude00720]

Production rate of tejas is 8 per year at the moment , even though it is planned to double it this year. Calculate how many years it will take to produce 500 tejas at this rate.

Production lines can be increased. And HAL is going system Integrator, so logically most pieces can be assembled.

In the end, Mk1A is in an interceptor aka defensive role. MWF will be offensive along with AMCA . in 2 years we will be a different country in Aviation. We will be talking 6th gen design.

 

[Lancer]

Production rate of tejas is 8 per year at the moment , even though it is planned to double it this year. Calculate how many years it will take to produce 500 tejas at this rate.

We need 1-2 additional, private lines.

 

[Longewala]

Production rate of tejas is 8 per year at the moment , even though it is planned to double it this year. Calculate how many years it will take to produce 500 tejas at this rate.

Increase it further to 24, about 20 years. Not a long time considering it was just 40 years back we had only mig-21s in our fleet.

In other words, at roughly 20 per year on average, by early to mid 2030s (including 40 initial tranche) enough to replace 125 bisons, 120 Jaguars, plus a few dozen spare to adjust for the earlier batch mig 21mfs that were never really replaced.

Then we start replacing mig 29s and m2ks.

 

[Longewala]

We need 1-2 additional, private lines.

Lines can be added as long as financial capacity exists along with willingness from IAF.
Look at it this way, if at constant 2020 pricing India has an average GDP of 4-5tn over the next 15 years (not very far fetched)
Just half of 0.1% of GDP is sufficient for well over 30 jets per annum.