LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Hydra3]

tejas is generation ahead of jf17 in design and aerodynamics.

Nobody wil comes to know untill these two faces each other in combat scenario.And jf17 is induced & in combat duty by PAF. Tejas is still not have foc,not even a gun or BVR. Even I too want to tell Tejas is superior,but....

 

[fire starter]

Nobody wil comes to know untill these two faces each other in combat scenario.And jf17 is induced & in combat duty by PAF. Tejas is still not have foc,not even a gun or BVR. Even I too want to tell Tejas is superior,but....

who said tejas does not have foc are you living in cave . both gun and bvr are available right now. there is always one member in forum who is always dissatisfied and never understands anything even when facts are presented multiple times in front of him.

 

[Hydra3]

who said tejas does not have foc are you living in cave . both gun and bvr are available right now. there is always one member in forum who is always dissatisfied and never understands anything even when facts are presented multiple times in front of him.

Facepalm....
Man gun has mounted on Tejas and tested on ground,but found vibration is outside tollarence limit. And further tweaking is going on. Once completed the ground testing they will taken to air and test it again. You can believe otherwise but fact remains the same,Tejas doesn't have Gun right now.
Derby was chooses as of now,if my information is correct it yet to mount on Tejas( I am not sure about it).

 

[Hydra3]

This man used to upload very good videos and most of them are bit technical. @muzzies slayer

 

[Ajax01]

Facepalm....
Man gun has mounted on Tejas and tested on ground,but found vibration is outside tollarence limit. And further tweaking is going on. Once completed the ground testing they will taken to air and test it again. You can believe otherwise but fact remains the same,Tejas doesn't have Gun right now.
Derby was chooses as of now,if my information is correct it yet to mount on Tejas( I am not sure about it).

Don't you follow the news gun was delinked from FOC and FOC HAS ALREADY BEING GIVEN TO TEJAS.

 

[Ajax01]

Nobody wil comes to know untill these two faces each other in combat scenario.And jf17 is induced & in combat duty by PAF. Tejas is still not have foc,not even a gun or BVR. Even I too want to tell Tejas is superior,but....

Tejas is RSS design,better CLAW and FBW,extremely high amount of composites they don't have to fight to know that.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

tejas is generation ahead of jf17 in design and aerodynamics.

Tejas Mk1A, even though belongs to a different weight class than J-10, is on par with it in terms of avionics.
The J-10B(bulk of the fleet) has a pulse doppler radar with range of 75-130km. Mk1A ELTA 2052 radar has a range of 150km for RCS of 1m^2.

 

[porky_kicker]

Don't fall for trolls pretending to be Indian's.

These stupid porky bots

 

[porky_kicker]

All these farts built around bander is nothing but farts

The last crash of bander in the Arabian sea which por..... tried to cover up but nevertheless which got out thanks to social media .

That crash says a lot about the banders so called capabilities

Non existence of Disorientation Recovery Function (DRF) mode forget about other advance modes like auto low-speed recovery (ALSR) etc

Bander is a positive stability aircraft by design like 3rd generation aircrafts .

It is not an unstable aerodynamic ( RSS ) design like Rafale typhoon f16 Tejas j20 etc

Only fighter aircraft in the modern era to not implement RSS ( relaxed static stability ) design. Yet I am super duper which even the designers refuse to induct. Because they know it's worth.

Because it is a stable design , it was flying with conventional flight controls and later hybrid flight controls like in passenger aircrafts.

Aerodynamically unstable aircrafts won't be able to even takeoff without a digital fly by wire.

Advantages of RSS design coupled with FULL FBW are
1.it provides good handling capability
2.it also provides invariant response with respect to variations in aerodynamics , fuel etc and facilitates robust performance.
3.it enables the pilot to fly the mission without worrying about exceeding of flight parameters beyond the safe limits.in flight safety is increased.
4.precise response control , reduced lag and overshoots results in vastly improved response and tracking accuracy of the pilot-airframe system.

Aerodynamically unstable aircrafts need full FBW not only to make them fly but to implement advance flight control and safety features like auto low-speed recovery (ALSR) mode ,Disorientation Recovery Function (DRF) mode etc .

So there goes the farts of jf17 bander block 1 and 2 .

Now coming to block 3 , which is literally the same base aircraft by design. Meaning it is aerodynamically stable like the older blocks but with a new con job , that is a FBW .

Any aircraft designer worth his salt will tell you implementing a FBW on a aerodynamically stable aircraft offers no advantage other than SWaP ( size weight and power ) savings . Reason why full FBW requirement in jf17b twin seater and hence implementation first before single seater bander bk 3.

No ALSR , DRF modes etc , no enhanced maneuverability nothing .

So there goes the farts of jf17 blunder block 3 because it ran short of that too. Now it is shitting

Did I mention hot refuelling , ok forget about it , try hot refuelling with Russian engines bander will disappear in a big fiery fart.

As for KLJ 7A air cooled radar selection tells one thing that is limited power availablity. Oh let's not even mention the form factor limitations due to air cooling.
Also air cooled radars have lower MTBF and as a result degradation in performance, to what extent , that is subject to speculation which I don't want to go into.

Also did somebody realise when jf17 block 1 & 2 actually got its operational certification to fire bvraams.

Anybody ?

Por......... were claiming bvraam firing capability since last 10+ years but ironically
qualification test / handing over of qualification certification for bvr firing capability was done in 2018. I have the video .

So another fart which didn't age too well.

Banders aura of invensibility is in the head of dhoti shivering dimmis with a penchant for gossiping and ofcourse in the well oiled propaganda fart generator of por...........

In the end I will mention

Any aircraft is just an instrument , what equally matters is capabilities of pilot and then the tactics. It's a combination of the three which decides the effectiveness of the same.

So credit the bander only what it is due.

 

[Hydra3]

Tejas is RSS design,better CLAW and FBW,extremely high amount of composites they don't have to fight to know that.

This says Tejas is a better engineered product,but that doesn't mean that it will outshine jf17 if Tejas went without proper weaponry. As of now Tejas isn't battle ready.

 

[Hydra3]

Don't you follow the news gun was delinked from FOC and FOC HAS ALREADY BEING GIVEN TO TEJAS.

Then I will blame IAF for inducting a half cooked aircraft,Tejas is to replace mig21s in interceptor role in forward bases.it must have a gun.

 

[Aaj ka hero]

Reason why full FBW requirement in jf17b twin seater and hence implementation first before single seater bander bk 3.

Sir that can also be the case for training.
First get train into the functionality and then transfer to the main system.

 

[porky_kicker]

Yeah ab battle ready ka certifications online denge

 

[Hydra3]

Tejas Mk1A, even though belongs to a different weight class than J-10, is on par with it in terms of avionics.
The J-10B(bulk of the fleet) has a pulse doppler radar with range of 75-130km. Mk1A ELTA 2052 radar has a range of 150km for RCS of 1m^2.

Mk1A is still not done it's first flight so far and it won't do this year too. And do you aware of what is jf17 bk3 spec. It is having an AESA radar,may not be as capable as 2052,still have .

 

[porky_kicker]

Sir that can also be the case for training.
First get train into the functionality and then transfer to the main system.

What ?

kindly read what you again
What does FBW implementation has to do for training ?

FBW implementation in bander 2 seater does not offer any advantage associated with FBW perse , since bander is a non RSS design.

Only advantage was in savings of weight size and power , ie 2 seater had additional weight requirements due to extra pilot so SWaP requirements had to be compensated for the extra pilot , which was done through inclusion of FBW , replacing all heavy hydraulic lines and associated LRUs with light weight FBW actuators .

The weight saved allowed for the bander 2 seater to have a decent Thrust to weight ratio.
Otherwise it will be too overwight to fly.

But other than that no advantage because bander is a non RSS design like 3 rd gen aircrafts . It cannot exploit the advantage of FBW other that SWaP saving .

Incase one still don't understand SWaP saving means bander will lower some size ( internal volume increased ) , lower some weight ( mtow is kept within design req to actually let bander 2 seater fly ) , lower some power ( power savings ).

 

[Aaj ka hero]

What ?

kindly read what you again
What does FBW implementation has to do for training ?

Sir maybe this was the pakis first time handling FBW on China maal so familiarisation because we know how much pakis fears for their life.

 

[Mindrapper]

So Tuesday it is Watch up guys.

 

[porky_kicker]

Sir maybe this was the pakis first time handling FBW on China maal so familiarisation because we know how much pakis fears for their life.

Hell no , stimulators can replicate it easily if that was the case.

FBW in bander 2 or 1 seater is a cosmetic job perse because FBW full advantage is with only RSS design aircrafts only . BANDER JF17 SINGLE OR TWIN SEATER IS NOT A RSS DESIGN.

Jf17 bander is the ONLY FIGHTER AIRCRAFT which is CLAIMED TO BE 4 TH GENERATION but is a aerodynamically stable design WHICH IS A 3RD GENERATION FEATURE . Which is why the Chinese did not even induct it in their airforce.

FBW implementation in bander 2 seater does not offer any advantage associated with FBW perse , since bander is a non RSS design.

Only advantage was in savings of weight size and power , ie 2 seater had additional weight requirements due to extra pilot so SWaP requirements had to be compensated for the extra pilot , which was done through inclusion of FBW , replacing all heavy hydraulic lines and associated LRUs with light weight FBW actuators and associated systems. So there was saving in weight size and power which was required for jf17 b inorder to be flight worthy

The weight saved allowed for the bander 2 seater to have a decent Thrust to weight ratio.
Otherwise it will be too overwight to fly.

But other than that no advantage because bander is a non RSS design like 3 rd gen aircrafts . It cannot exploit the advantage of FBW other that SWaP saving .

Incase one still don't understand SWaP saving means bander will lower some size ( internal volume increased ) , lower some weight ( mtow is kept within design req to actually let bander 2 seater fly ) , lower some power ( power savings ).

 

[Atcjurvin]

Mk1A is still not done it's first flight so far and it won't do this year too. And do you aware of what is jf17 bk3 spec. It is having an AESA radar,may not be as capable as 2052,still have .

Aa gaye madarchod........................

 

[Ajax01]

This says Tejas is a better engineered product,but that doesn't mean that it will outshine jf17 if Tejas went without proper weaponry. As of now Tejas isn't battle ready.

And what supa pawa weapons does Blunder have ? You know Tejas isnt battle ready? What is the requirement for battle ready?

Then I will blame IAF for inducting a half cooked aircraft,Tejas is to replace mig21s in interceptor role in forward bases.it must have a gun.

Will be integrated but it won't stop the Tejas from getting FOC.

Mk1A is still not done it's first flight so far and it won't do this year too. And do you aware of what is jf17 bk3 spec. It is having an AESA radar,may not be as capable as 2052,still have .

Blunder 3 has a shit AESA KLJ 7A isn't half as capable as 2052 or Uttam. Tejas still has First Look First Shoot. Thing is Porks are treating Blunder like a Pizza , its a shit pizza with toppings which are not even properly supported by the power generation of Russki engine. So toppings are Chinese bat droppings