Know Your 'Rafale'

[Vijyes]

the Indian Navy also has a joint working group (JWG) with the US Pentagon for designing an aircraft carrier. In fact, the proposed design of INS Vishal bears a strong American signature, with advanced features like the “electro-magnetic aircraft launch system” (EMALS) that exists only on the latest US aircraft carrier, USS Gerald R Ford.

https://www.business-standard.com/a...arrier-ins-vishal-on-hold-119050600047_1.html

During the working group the U.S. and Indian navies held candid and open discussions on various aspects of aircraft carrier development, including design, integration, test, evaluation, management and oversight of carrier construction‎.

The Joint Working Group on Aircraft Carrier Technology Cooperation, co-chaired by United States Navy’s Program Executive Officer for Aircraft Carriers, RADM Tom Moore, and India’s Controller for Warship Production and Acquisition, VADM G.S. Pabby, is part of the larger India-U.S. Defense Technology and Trade Initiative (DTTI).

https://in.usembassy.gov/u-s-india-...r-technology-cooperation-holds-first-meeting/

The upcoming INS Vishal has been designed from the ground up for the F18 SH.

When did INS Vishal start construction? As far as I know, it hasn't even completed its design. So, how come you are so confident of it having USA signature? Are you time traveller?

 

[arya]

Navy will get 57 F18 SH for it's tender. IAF will get 114 more Rafales.

F18 ok for Navy but 114 ore rafale is like a joke , yes we may buy 18-36 more rafale but not 114 . i think either f21 or euro fighter.

No chance for 114 more rafale while France is making higher version then why we should go for older one

 

[vampyrbladez]

Why not F35 B?no issue of S400 as navy will get them?

However, the Indian Navy has ruled out operating the F-35B Lightning II fighter, which the Royal Navy carriers embark. Those “short take off and vertical landing” (STOVL) aircraft are the most troubled variant of the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) programme.

https://www.business-standard.com/a...arrier-ins-vishal-on-hold-119050600047_1.html

S400 has no naval variant as of yet. Only S350E Poliment - Redut variant deployed by Admiral Gorshkov class frigates.

USAF is retiring SH

US Navy operates the F18 E/F (SH) and together with the USMC operates the F18 C/D variants.

Boeing Awarded $4B Multi-Year Deal for 78 Super Hornets

The Navy’s current five-year purchase plan – of which the new multi-year award is part – calls for buying 110 Super Hornets, according to Boeing.

https://news.usni.org/2019/03/21/42021

In March 2019, the company secured a three-year contract from the US Navy (USN) for 78 F/A-18E/F Block III Super Hornets, with a total contract value of about $4 billion. That follows a $1.8 billion order by the service in 2018 for 24 examples.

Boeing says it has enough business from the US Department of Defense, as well as international customers such as Kuwait, to maintain continuous Block III production until 2033.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...-hornets-find-place-in-stealth-fighte-457459/

 

[arya]

There is no magic in western technology. India is happy to have whatever works. Rafale is bought only because France has offered technology transfer. The $4 billion offset involves this. Otherwise, buying western plane instead of Russian ones merely because India already has them doesn't make sense. Russian planes have indigenisation and hence can be overhauled or made in India. MiG29 can be overhauled in India whereas Su30 can be made in India. If western planes offer lesser indigenisation, obviously, it will be rejected.



Who told you that India is buying F18 planes? Why does India need F18 when it has no aircraft carrier from which it can operate?

MMRCA order is big one either USA or Russia will grab it because India will also try to gains something from this order .

if i will be pm then i will talk to china and i will buy j31 and ask china to show green signal for UN permanent seat .

 

[Deathstar]

However, the Indian Navy has ruled out operating the F-35B Lightning II fighter, which the Royal Navy carriers embark. Those “short take off and vertical landing” (STOVL) aircraft are the most troubled variant of the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) programme.

https://www.business-standard.com/a...arrier-ins-vishal-on-hold-119050600047_1.html

S400 has no naval variant as of yet. Only S350E Poliment - Redut variant deployed by Admiral Gorshkov class frigates.



US Navy operates the F18 E/F (SH) and together with the USMC operates the F18 C/D variants.

Boeing Awarded $4B Multi-Year Deal for 78 Super Hornets

The Navy’s current five-year purchase plan – of which the new multi-year award is part – calls for buying 110 Super Hornets, according to Boeing.

https://news.usni.org/2019/03/21/42021

In March 2019, the company secured a three-year contract from the US Navy (USN) for 78 F/A-18E/F Block III Super Hornets, with a total contract value of about $4 billion. That follows a $1.8 billion order by the service in 2018 for 24 examples.

Boeing says it has enough business from the US Department of Defense, as well as international customers such as Kuwait, to maintain continuous Block III production until 2033.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...-hornets-find-place-in-stealth-fighte-457459/

Isnt USAF replacing Hornets with F35B?whats the current status of F35Bs?

 

[vampyrbladez]

F18 ok for Navy but 114 ore rafale is like a joke , yes we may buy 18-36 more rafale but not 114 . i think either f21 or euro fighter.

No chance for 114 more rafale while France is making higher version then why we should go for older one

F 21 is an F 16V Blk 70 which is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy behind Rafale , Su 35BM and Eurofighter. Eurofighter has no AESA radar and by the time it arrives, Rafale will get upgraded to F4 standard which includes a comprehensive AESA radar upgrade as well.

Further system enhancements will be made to the Rafale’s sensor suite, including the RBE2 AESA radar, Talios targeting pod, and the OSF frontal sector optronics system. Likewise, the Spectra electronic warfare system will also receive improvements to maintain its ability to deter emerging threats.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2019-01-24/france-launches-rafale-f4-upgrade

https://www.janes.com/article/85706/update-france-launches-f4-upgrade-for-rafale

France plans to maintain the Rafale with its air and naval air forces at least through 2040, the French Ministry of Defense invests in the continuous modernization and upgrading of the aircraft.

https://defense-update.com/20170323_rafale-f4.html

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2019-06-17/can-typhoon-still-win-orders-era-f-35

 

[Vijyes]

MMRCA order is big one either USA or Russia will grab it because India will also try to gains something from this order .

if i will be pm then i will talk to china and i will buy j31 and ask china to show green signal for UN permanent seat .

Why is UN permanent seat important? What is the benefit?

What is USA giving India for India to buy from USA? France is giving technology and hence there is the deal. Is does not give technology, hence no deal. There is nothing other than Technology that India needs. Cheap goal like UNSC seat is useless

 

[IndianHawk]

the Indian Navy also has a joint working group (JWG) with the US Pentagon for designing an aircraft carrier. In fact, the proposed design of INS Vishal bears a strong American signature, with advanced features like the “electro-magnetic aircraft launch system” (EMALS) that exists only on the latest US aircraft carrier, USS Gerald R Ford.

https://www.business-standard.com/a...arrier-ins-vishal-on-hold-119050600047_1.html

During the working group the U.S. and Indian navies held candid and open discussions on various aspects of aircraft carrier development, including design, integration, test, evaluation, management and oversight of carrier construction‎.

The Joint Working Group on Aircraft Carrier Technology Cooperation, co-chaired by United States Navy’s Program Executive Officer for Aircraft Carriers, RADM Tom Moore, and India’s Controller for Warship Production and Acquisition, VADM G.S. Pabby, is part of the larger India-U.S. Defense Technology and Trade Initiative (DTTI).

https://in.usembassy.gov/u-s-india-...r-technology-cooperation-holds-first-meeting/

The upcoming INS Vishal has been designed from the ground up for the F18 SH.

These groups have delivered nothing . There was also a joint group for engine tech which also came to nothing.

Emals will itself cost upwards a billion $ inflating the cost of Vishal. The whole gist of so called us cooperation is selling expensive weapons and no tech transfer. We are going alone with Vishal.

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[IndianHawk]

These groups have delivered nothing . There was also a joint group for engine tech which also came to nothing.

Emals will itself cost upwards a billion $ inflating the cost of Vishal. The whole gist of so called us cooperation is selling expensive weapons and no tech transfer. We are going alone with Vishal.

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Btw by the Vishal will come online we'll have NAMCA flying.

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[arya]

Why is UN permanent seat important? What is the benefit?

What is USA giving India for India to buy from USA? France is giving technology and hence there is the deal. Is does not give technology, hence no deal. There is nothing other than Technology that India needs. Cheap goal like UNSC seat is useless

Well large number of us companies in china are looking some alternate option , if USA want order of MMRCA then he should invest in india and make sure these companies come to india , but now uncle sam is looking toward shree lanka or nepal .

its all about money

 

[vampyrbladez]

Isnt USAF replacing Hornets with F35B?whats the current status of F35Bs?

F35 A>F16 C/D>F18 E/F~F35 B>>F35 C in terms of kinematics.

http://elementsofpower.blogspot.com/2015/02/the-f-35-and-infamous-transonic.html

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...ter-than-or-equal-to-typhoon-or-super-382078/

 

[vampyrbladez]

Well large number of us companies in china are looking some alternate option , if USA want order of MMRCA then he should invest in india and make sure these companies come to india , but now uncle sam is looking toward shree lanka or nepal .

its all about money

Sucking Chink dick will get India nowhere. This Hindi - Chini bhai - bhai bullshit doomed us in 1962.

J 31!

Only Paki ******s deserve such crap.

 

[Vijyes]

Well large number of us companies in china are looking some alternate option , if USA want order of MMRCA then he should invest in india and make sure these companies come to india , but now uncle sam is looking toward shree lanka or nepal .

its all about money

If it is all about money, why can't Saudi Arabia buy technology and infrastructure? Wjo is looking towards Nepal or Lanka? When did USA set up anything in these countries? What dis these countries offer? Why spread fake new?

 

[arya]

Sucking Chink dick will get India nowhere. This Hindi - Chini bhai - bhai bullshit doomed us in 1962.

J 31!

Only Paki ******s deserve such crap.

Just a bone for china .

Rest 30 words you can assume

 

[vampyrbladez]

Just a bone for china .

Rest 30 words you can assume

Only bone China deserves is my lau#a!

 

[Armand2REP]

Boeing Awarded $4B Multi-Year Deal for 78 Super Hornets

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...-hornets-find-place-in-stealth-fighte-457459/

This order is a clear indication of the failure of the F-35 programme.

 

[vampyrbladez]

This order is a clear indication of the failure of the F-35 programme.

F 35A (Excellent replacement for the F 16 // Has F 18 E/F AoA and maneuverability + F 16 level kinematics + F 22 level sensor fusion and AoA)

F 35B (Excellent replacement for the F 18 C/D and Harrier // Has F 18 E/F AoA and maneuverability + F 22 level sensor fusion and AoA + Yak 141 STOVL)

F 35C (Not a satisfactory replacement for the F 18 C/D and F 18 E/F // Has F 18 E/F AoA + F 22 level sensor fusion and AoA)

Conclusion : Buy F 18 E/F to complement F 35C into the future.

 

[Shekhar Singh]

If it is all about money, why can't Saudi Arabia buy technology and infrastructure? Wjo is looking towards Nepal or Lanka? When did USA set up anything in these countries? What dis these countries offer? Why spread fake new?

He is from another planet. Lol.

 

[itsme]

Can someone tell me what version of Rafale we are getting? F3 or F4? Also the weapons and pods we getting with the fighter.?Wasnt able to find proper details.

 

[uoftotaku]

Can someone tell me what version of Rafale we are getting? F3 or F4? Also the weapons and pods we getting with the fighter.?Wasnt able to find proper details.

Basic version of F3R which is the current manufacturing standard. F4 has not yet been produced as the details have only just been finalized. Our birds are also being customized and certified to carry Israeli pods and munitions ( Litening / SPICE / Griffin etc ) which are already in common use in IAF rather than the French package (although SCALP & Meteor are included)