Know Your 'Rafale'

[WolfPack86]

#French Ambassador to India Alexandre Ziegler on Friday said the first #Rafale fighter aircraft will be delivered within two months and it will be "perfectly on time".

 

[WolfPack86]

Second batch of five Rafales delivered to Qatar.

 

[BON PLAN]

Second batch of five Rafales delivered to Qatar.

a strange thing : as the Egyptian Rafale, they use 2 x 2000L tanks and one 1200L and not 3x2000L .....

 

[uoftotaku]

a strange thing : as the Egyptian Rafale, they use 2 x 2000L tanks and one 1200L and not 3x2000L .....

For any aircraft there is a balance consideration between the required flight range and amount of payload carried. At some point if you carry too much then you end up burning more fuel just lugging around the extra weight rather than gain any range benefit.

 

[BON PLAN]

For any aircraft there is a balance consideration between the required flight range and amount of payload carried. At some point if you carry too much then you end up burning more fuel just lugging around the extra weight rather than gain any range benefit.

But French AF, which has the better knowledge about this plane use 3x2000L or 2X2000L, 2 or 3x 1200L, never 2X2000 + 1x1200

 

[BON PLAN]

#French Ambassador to India Alexandre Ziegler on Friday said the first #Rafale fighter aircraft will be delivered within two months and it will be "perfectly on time".

Dassault, it is always :
ON SPECIFICATIONS,
ON TIME,
ON BUDGET.

Just compare with LM .....

 

[DMZ_dazzle]

Choosing any aircraft other than Rafale for MMRCA2 will be a foolhardy. We must not repeat MiG29 and Mirage 2000 episode

 

[arya]

Choosing any aircraft other than Rafale for MMRCA2 will be a foolhardy. We must not repeat MiG29 and Mirage 2000 episode

Well i dont think we are going to pick rafale under MMRCA2 , it may be either F21 which has much higher chances or F18 .

But yes i know soon we will give apporx 18 more Rafael order

 

[BON PLAN]

Well i dont think we are going to pick rafale under MMRCA2 , it may be either F21 which has much higher chances or F18 .

But yes i know soon we will give apporx 18 more Rafael order

F21 is just a rebrand F16 : IAF don't want it, because in high altitude trials it failed (where M2000 and now Rafale are excellents). A old indian forumer, very very well informed on another forum wrote "F16 costs 80% of Rafale, but only gives 66% capacity" or something like that.

SH18 is the main Rafale competitor. For me MMRCA2 will go to Rafale and Navy will pick SH18 (to have access to EMALS catapults, and to not put all the eggs in a single basket).

 

[WolfPack86]

Combination of Su-30MKI and Rafale potent enough to defeat all enemies: Vice Chief Air Marshal RKS Bhadauria

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Vice Chief Air Marshal RKS Bhadauria on Thursday said that once Su-30MKI and Rafale fighter jets will start operating together for Indian Air Force, it will be a potent combination to tackle all adversaries of India, including Pakistan and China.

“Once Su-30MKI and Rafale start operating together, it’ll be a potent combination against our adversaries. Be it Pak or anyone else,it’ll be a potent capability.Any adversary would be worried about such a combination,” Vice Chief Air Marshal Bhadauria told ANI. When asked if Pakistan would think to launch a February 27-type operation once Su-30MKI and Rafale jets start operating together for IAF, Vice Chief Air Marshal Bhadauria said that Pakistan would suffer huge losses if they dare to launch any such operation after the induction of Rafale jets in IAF’s arsenal.Vice Chief Air Marshal Bhadauria remarked that the losses for Pakistan will be huge because IAF would be able to hit back with larger and better weapons using Rafale and Sukhoi jets.

“For any such operation by Pak,they would have losses much more.We would have larger&better weapons. The attrition that we’ll inflict would be be very high,” remarked the Vice Chief Air Marshal.

It is to be noted that IAF is also planning to buy 18 more Sukhoi Su-30 MKI multirole fighters and 21 Mikoyan MiG-29 air superiority jets from Russia in order to strengthen its capabilities. The IAF currently has a sanctioned strength of 272 Su-30 MKIs and it also operates 69 MiG-29 UPGs.

A total of 42 squadrons are required by IAF to be effective during a two-front war with China and Pakistan but the IAF is currently operating with only 31 squadrons as it retires the older MiG-21 and MiG-27 aircraft. The additional Su-30 MKI and MiG-29 jets will add two more squadrons to the IAF fighter fleet.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/TeamAMCA/photos/?ref=page_internal

 

[WolfPack86]

There’s way too much to unpack here, so we aren’t going to try.

 

[BON PLAN]

There’s way too much to unpack here, so we aren’t going to try.

Technology transfert is on the way

 

[Deathstar]

Technology transfert is on the way

How did u infer that??........

 

[bose]

F21 is just a rebrand F16 : IAF don't want it, because in high altitude trials it failed (where M2000 and now Rafale are excellents). A old indian forumer, very very well informed on another forum wrote "F16 costs 80% of Rafale, but only gives 66% capacity" or something like that.

SH18 is the main Rafale competitor. For me MMRCA2 will go to Rafale and Navy will pick SH18 (to have access to EMALS catapults, and to not put all the eggs in a single basket).

There is another possible scenario as follows.

1) Order additional two (2) squadron of Rafale under fly away condition from France and 57 of those for Indian Navy
2) Select MIG - 35 for MMRCA 2.0 with full technology transfer and local manufacturing under Make In India ...

 

[WolfPack86]

French Air Force Rafales refuelling from Indian Il-78 tanker.

 

[BON PLAN]

There is another possible scenario as follows.

1) Order additional two (2) squadron of Rafale under fly away condition from France and 57 of those for Indian Navy
2) Select MIG - 35 for MMRCA 2.0 with full technology transfer and local manufacturing under Make In India ...

Why not.
But I think IAF and IN want western fighters because they are already too russian equipped.
Naval Mig29K is not reliable enough. Su30 is not so reliable also.
Once they will taste to Rafale, I'm afraid the russian planes will have a difficult way to win !
The low purchase price is one thing, the reliability and cost to sustain is another. Russian fighters are affordable, but cost a lot to sustain and are less reliable. Quantity versus Quality....

 

[vampyrbladez]

Why not.
But I think IAF and IN want western fighters because they are already too russian equipped.
Naval Mig29K is not reliable enough. Su30 is not so reliable also.
Once they will taste to Rafale, I'm afraid the russian planes will have a difficult way to win !
The low purchase price is one thing, the reliability and cost to sustain is another. Russian fighters are affordable, but cost a lot to sustain and are less reliable. Quantity versus Quality....

Navy will get 57 F18 SH for it's tender. IAF will get 114 more Rafales.

 

[Deathstar]

Navy will get 57 F18 SH for it's tender. IAF will get 114 more Rafales.

Why not F35 B?no issue of S400 as navy will get them?USAF is retiring SH

 

[Vijyes]

There is no magic in western technology. India is happy to have whatever works. Rafale is bought only because France has offered technology transfer. The $4 billion offset involves this. Otherwise, buying western plane instead of Russian ones merely because India already has them doesn't make sense. Russian planes have indigenisation and hence can be overhauled or made in India. MiG29 can be overhauled in India whereas Su30 can be made in India. If western planes offer lesser indigenisation, obviously, it will be rejected.

Navy will get 57 F18 SH for it's tender. IAF will get 114 more Rafales.

Who told you that India is buying F18 planes? Why does India need F18 when it has no aircraft carrier from which it can operate?

 

[vampyrbladez]

Who told you that India is buying F18 planes? Why does India need F18 when it has no aircraft carrier from which it can operate?

the Indian Navy also has a joint working group (JWG) with the US Pentagon for designing an aircraft carrier. In fact, the proposed design of INS Vishal bears a strong American signature, with advanced features like the “electro-magnetic aircraft launch system” (EMALS) that exists only on the latest US aircraft carrier, USS Gerald R Ford.

https://www.business-standard.com/a...arrier-ins-vishal-on-hold-119050600047_1.html

During the working group the U.S. and Indian navies held candid and open discussions on various aspects of aircraft carrier development, including design, integration, test, evaluation, management and oversight of carrier construction‎.

The Joint Working Group on Aircraft Carrier Technology Cooperation, co-chaired by United States Navy’s Program Executive Officer for Aircraft Carriers, RADM Tom Moore, and India’s Controller for Warship Production and Acquisition, VADM G.S. Pabby, is part of the larger India-U.S. Defense Technology and Trade Initiative (DTTI).

https://in.usembassy.gov/u-s-india-...r-technology-cooperation-holds-first-meeting/

The upcoming INS Vishal has been designed from the ground up for the F18 SH.