Know Your 'Rafale'

abingdonboy

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The IAF sustainability is already a nightmare due to the diversity of jets.
Once Rafale is entered service, I've a big doubt they will purchase another one, not more efficient. So no way for IAF. And IN will follow because their bulk order is becoming smaller.
My opinion is that SH18 is only a dog used by indian top brass to bargain with Dassault.
Frankly I think the Navy admirals are high, they know MRCBF is a non-starter, their second aircraft carrier is set to enter service in the next 18 months so for 2 carriers they'll have to make do with the MiG-29K fleet (which is dwindling at an alarming rate)

The biggest issue is that the Aviation complex of BOTH carriers has been designed around the 29K and the SH and Rafale will both faces challenges operating from IAC-1 (Vikky is a non-starter) hence why MRCBF has effectively died a quiet death since it was mooted 3+ years ago.

There's a reason why TEDBF was greenlit- it will be a cleensheet design that will be a direct replacement for the 29Ks and will be designed from the outset to fit into the 29K's footprint and hence compatible on both Vikky and Vikrant/IAC-1

I would love to know what Dassualt proposed to the Indian Navy though to overcome the challenges operating from the IAC-1 (lifts being too small and potentially the RGS not being compatible), I know Boeing had proposed a purpose built jig for the SH to be angled on the a/c lifts and they had said the aircraft brakes would be used instead of the RGS- the latter point is (IMO) the moment the navy stopped taking MRCBF seriously.

If the Navy is seriously going to combine their needs with the IAF's that only means 1 thing- they want the Rafale

Either way MRFA and MRCBF are both pipe dream
 

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Frankly I think the Navy admirals are high, they know MRCBF is a non-starter, their second aircraft carrier is set to enter service in the next 18 months so for 2 carriers they'll have to make do with the MiG-29K fleet (which is dwindling at an alarming rate)

The biggest issue is that the Aviation complex of BOTH carriers has been designed around the 29K and the SH and Rafale will both faces challenges operating from IAC-1 (Vikky is a non-starter) hence why MRCBF has effectively died a quiet death since it was mooted 3+ years ago.

There's a reason why TEDBF was greenlit- it will be a cleensheet design that will be a direct replacement for the 29Ks and will be designed from the outset to fit into the 29K's footprint and hence compatible on both Vikky and Vikrant/IAC-1

I would love to know what Dassualt proposed to the Indian Navy though to overcome the challenges operating from the IAC-1 (lifts being too small and potentially the RGS not being compatible), I know Boeing had proposed a purpose built jig for the SH to be angled on the a/c lifts and they had said the aircraft brakes would be used instead of the RGS- the latter point is (IMO) the moment the navy stopped taking MRCBF seriously.

If the Navy is seriously going to combine their needs with the IAF's that only means 1 thing- they want the Rafale

Either way MRFA and MRCBF are both pipe dream
Its better IMO to expand the lifts later in a refit and plan the design now, instead of forcing unwanted aerodynamic restrictions on the TEDBF that happened with the LCA. Else you are looking to repeat the same problems again. Once the lift redesign is final the same can be informed to the TEDBF team to design the plane accordingly. Remember wing folding adds complexity and weight to the wings, and is technically a single point of failure for structural issues.
 

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First separation tests of Safran’s 1,000-kg AASM “Hammer” air-to-ground weapon on Rafale a success
The new 1,000-kilogram version of the AASM “Hammer”* air-to-ground modular weapon, designed and produced by Safran Electronics & Defense, successfully completed its first two inert separation tests from a Rafale omnirole fighter. The tests were conducted at the French defense procurement agency DGA’s Cazaux flight test center in southwest France.

The separation dynamics observed during the two firings were in line with simulations. These industrial validation tests were designed to check the correct sequencing of all components of the wing hardpoint and the weapon, as well as the wing deployment mechanism on the range extension kit. Following these successful separation tests, the first live firing tests will be conducted in 2021 as part of the final development and qualification of the 1,000-kg AASM.

The 1,000-kg AASM features a guidance kit derived from the 250-kg version and a specific range extension kit. The 1,000-kg AASM has the same modular characteristics as the 250-kg version with the BLU109 penetrating bomb body and MK84 conventional body, as well as its close functional integration with the Rafale, especially for fire control system and configuration options.


This new weapon will give the Rafale an enhanced strike capability, with payload configurations of up to three 1,000-kg AASMs per aircraft. Its standoff range is also extended, thanks to the integrated propulsion system.

Developed and produced by Safran Electronics & Defense based on existing bombs from 250 kg to 1,000 kg, the AASM Hammer family is the air-to-ground weapon of choice for the Rafale. The 1,000-kg version rounds out the AASM range. Qualification is planned for 2022, leading to service entry on the new Rafale F4 standard.
 

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Greece to be the 4th export customer before the end of the year.
The french defense minister to be in Athens the 23rd of December to ink the sale of 18 Rafale.

next serious targets : Croatia / Switzerland / Indonesia / Finland
 

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Greece to be the 4th export customer before the end of the year.
The french defense minister to be in Athens the 23rd of December to ink the sale of 18 Rafale.

next serious targets : Croatia / Switzerland / Indonesia / Finland
Greece will get some used rafales too
4 may be.....
 

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More muscle to IAF with at least 3 more Rafales flying-in next month



This would make almost a full squadron of Rafales. Does anyone remember how long the first batch of Indian pilots trained for in France? I vaguely remember reading it was 1.5 years. I know for sure the first batch of pilots were highly experienced, some with almost two decades in the IAF.

I think the combination of how capable the Rafale is, coupled with the prior experience of IAF pilots now training in France and learning all the Rafale strengths, weaknesses and tactical advantages which the French perfected over more then a decade will ensure even new Rafale pilots will be a force to be reckoned with since they are already experienced pilots that got trained and likely debriefed on the Rafale during real combat operations.
 

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This would make almost a full squadron of Rafales. Does anyone remember how long the first batch of Indian pilots trained for in France? I vaguely remember reading it was 1.5 years. I know for sure the first batch of pilots were highly experienced, some with almost two decades in the IAF.

I think the combination of how capable the Rafale is, coupled with the prior experience of IAF pilots now training in France and learning all the Rafale strengths, weaknesses and tactical advantages which the French perfected over more then a decade will ensure even new Rafale pilots will be a force to be reckoned with since they are already experienced pilots that got trained and likely debriefed on the Rafale during real combat operations.
Also consider the fact that we do have exercises with france with them flying rafales and we with our migs..and SUs.
so..the spectrum of knowledge out pilots gained would be much superior.
 

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INDIA STOCKS UP MISSILE ARSENAL AS IT PREPARES FOR ANOTHER TENSE SUMMER IN LADAKH
New Delhi: India is in the process of stocking up its missile arsenal as the stand-off with China in eastern Ladakh continues for the eighth consecutive month and the services extensively plan for the challenges that may emerge in the summer.


According to a report published in Jane’s Defence Weekly, a noted publication on military matters, India has awarded a $200 million contract to Israel’s Rafael Advanced Defence Systems for supplying an undisclosed number of SPICE bomb-guidance kits, and between 300 and 320 Spike-Long Range Anti-Tank Guided Missiles (ATGMs), besides the BNET broadband IP software defined radios, which are pitched as a system for secure communications during on-the-move tactical operations.

The equipment, the report dated 24 December states, will be delivered by early 2021. It has been procured under the emergency powers given to the armed forces by the Union defence ministry this July to procure weapons systems worth up to Rs 300 crore on an urgent basis.

A senior IAF officer said the fresh purchase of the SPICE-2000 air-to-ground missiles is an emergency procurement.

This weapon has already been integrated into the Mirage-2000 fleet and the Sukhoi-30 fighters of the IAF. The SPICE-2000 bombs, which weigh 500 kg, can also be integrated onto Jaguars and the indigenous Tejas as well, the officer added.

“The Spice 2000 bombs have proven their worth during the Balakot strikes. It will enhance the capabilities of the IAF by adding to the inventory of missiles that can hit the targets from a long range with pinpoint accuracy, which is particularly important during the ongoing conflict,” the officer added.

He, however, said the numbers ordered will still be inadequate for the approximately 250 Sukhoi-30s and the 50 Mirage-2000s that the IAF currently has.

Earlier this year, after the stand-off in Ladakh had begun, the IAF had opted for the French HAMMER air-to-ground precision-guided weapon system exclusively for its Rafale fighter jets.

HAMMER, or Highly Agile and Manoeuvrable Munition Extended Range, consists of a guidance kit and a range-extension kit fitted on a standard Mk 82 bomb of 250 kg.

Aside from this, the IAF’s inventory also has laser-guided bombs with a range of 10 to 15 km.

“Every ground-attack aircraft should have a minimum of five bomb loading, which means the aircraft should be able to carry 10 bombs per mission, and should have a minimum of 10×5 = 50 bombs,” said the IAF officer.

As for the ATGMs, the Army has been planning to place a repeat order for Spike-LR (Long Range) ATGMs as an emergency procurement since earlier this year.

The Army’s Leh-based 14 Corps had projected a requirement of around 40 Spike ATGM launchers with an undisclosed number of missiles, among other equipment.

India deployed its existing ATGMs at important heights in Ladakh during the ongoing stand-off.

A senior Army officer said that the Spike is a fourth-generation missile that has an accuracy of up to 4 km, which makes it a lethal weapon during the ongoing conflict. “Though primarily anti-tank, it can be effectively used against enemy field fortifications and bunkers,” the officer said.

Another Boost For Arsenal

The new missiles ordered will add to the Indian arsenal after another massive stocking-up exercise last year.

The Modi government ordered weaponry worth about $700 million for the Indian Air Force (IAF) from Russia last year — including close to 300 short-range air-to-air missiles, the R-73, and 400 medium-range air-to-air guided missiles, the RVV-AE, also known as the R-77, and a radar-busting missile called X-31.

These missiles are designed to arm the Russian-made MiG and Sukhoi aircraft.

The R-73’s range is 30 km. The R-77 is the Russian counterpart to the US medium-range AIM-120 AMRAAM missile.

The American missile was used by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) to target Indian Su-30 MKIs on 27 February, a day after the IAF strikes on terror camps in Balakot in the wake of the 14 February Pulwama attack.

 

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