Know Your 'Rafale'

[Assassin 2.0]

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any more info about spectra ?

 

[Bhurki]

F-35 is a multi role aircraft. So obviously it will not be a match against an aircraft which fulfills a special role.

If you'd have read that comment in its entirety, you'd know that was what i was implying.

 

[Jameson Emoni]

If you'd have read that comment in its entirety, you'd know that was what i was implying.

I may have quoted the wrong post.

 

[Jameson Emoni]

Eurofighter is specially designed for air superiority. The F-35 is multirole. On a 1vs1 fight between these 2 planes starting from 1000 kms away, which aircraft would you prefer?

F-35 ......................................................................

 

[BON PLAN]

The future is now...

The fighter just IOC 13 years after pre serial flight? NO.
This plane is just a cash machine for LM, and a marvellous US propaganda tool. Not a war machine.

 

[BON PLAN]

F-35 ......................................................................

OF COURSE ......

 

[Bhurki]

OF COURSE ......
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Which one would you choose? One that will be seen 30km away or one that's visible from 100+km?

 

[asianobserve]

Which one would you choose? One that will be seen 30km away or one that's visible from 100+km?

He will always choose Rafale. To him Rafale will defeat all F-15, EF, F-35, F-22, even USAF's planned 6th gen, USN's NGAD and UK's Tempest. The only current and future fighter that Rafale will not defeat in the next 70 years is SCAF.

 

[BON PLAN]

He will always choose Rafale. To him Rafale will defeat all F-15, EF, F-35, F-22, even USAF's planned 6th gen, USN's NGAD and UK's Tempest. The only current and future fighter that Rafale will not defeat in the next 70 years is SCAF.

No.
F22 is in another class of its own.
F15, EF and SH are no more hard nuts.
F35 is IOC. That's an enough answer. The swiss contest will be very intersting....

 

[asianobserve]

No.
F22 is in another class of its own.
F15, EF and SH are no more hard nuts.
F35 is IOC. That's an enough answer. The swiss contest will be very intersting....

Rafale already lost to F-35 in all major contests where the fighter choosen will actuslly go to war. It even lost in Belgium of all countries! Recently Dassault just pulled out from Canadian fighter competition crying like a baby. The Swiss will not go to war. Their sovereignty and neutraluty is guaranteed by NATO, Russia. So even KAI FA-50 will be enough for them.

 

[BON PLAN]

Rafale already lost to F-35 in all major contests where the fighter choosen will actuslly go to war. It even lost in Belgium of all countries! Recently Dassault just pulled out from Canadian fighter competition crying like a baby. The Swiss will not go to war. Their sovereignty and neutraluty is guaranteed by NATO, Russia. So even KAI FA-50 will be enough for them.

Dassault leave the canadian contest because the competition was unfair once you are not a member of the big five. Despite the canadian words, the competiton is not open.
Belgium : I see a next move in the coming years, seeing belgium and Netherlands army to merge. Once NL choose F35 (remember, the then paper F35, supercruising and affordable at those time, won by 0.02 point on 10... (*) ), it was quite natural Belgium follow.

(*) affordable : the NL acquisition programm was for 85 planes. They will NEVER purchase 85 birds. Not because NL economy is not worthy (it's one of the best economical situation in europe) but because the flying brick cost was not the one intended and promoted by LM.

 

[Jameson Emoni]

OF COURSE ......
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That is just VPN. I am Indian.

 

[BON PLAN]

That is just VPN. I am Indian.

OK !!!
I also use one sometimes.
What is your VPN supplier? Mine is Hot Spot Shield. The best i have tried so far.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Meteor BVRAAM integration on Korean KF-X fighter program should raise eyebrows in India


MBDA Missile Systems announced that Meteor beyond visual range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) will be integrated into the Republic of Korea Air Force’s (RoKAF’s) future KF-X fighter aircraft. MBDA has been awarded the contract for integration and trials campaign by Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) which is a nodal agency for the development of a 5th generation fighter jet in Blocks over the years. According to Hanwha Thales, a local defense firm which won the preferential bidder for the radar development in 2016, announced in 2017 that Israeli firm Elta will be its consultant in the testing of the indigenous radar developed by Hanwha Thales but insisted that ELTA will be limited to provide support to the sophisticated technology to test an AESA radar system and integrate it with aircraft. In 2018, Saab has received an order for support of algorithm development and evaluation for airborne AESA fighter radar by the KAI. South Korea decided to develop its AESA radar system after the US rejected its request to transfer core technologies to be applied to the KF-X jets in 2015 and many believe that Israeli ELTA is the technology provider not to test the Radar made by Hanwha Thales but will also provide some of its technology to the firm for local development of an AESA Radar. Israeli contractor Elta Systems will provide technical supports on the radar’s transmitting and receiving devices and among others as per Korean media reports. Hanwha Thales has confirmed that by 2026, Aesa Radar will no only be tested and integrated it will also enter production by that time which means it is based on the technology which is already available with ELTA but will go through some level of customization to meet requirements of the RoKAF. ELTA’s ELM-2052 AESA Fire control Radar most likely will be a used a base to develop the Aesa radar for the RoKAF with some technical inputs from the Hanwha Thales along with software developed by Saab, later MBDA Missile Systems will help in integration of the Meteor BVRAAM in the aircraft. MBDA’s Double standard towards India Back home, MBDA Missile Systems turned down India’s request to integrate its Meteor BVRAAM in the 83 LCA-Tejas Mk1A fighter jet which will be equipped with the ELTA’s ELM-2052 Aesa Radar. According to MBDA’s official statement ” Meteor BVRAAM integration with a Non-European Radar will compromise its technology and hence it was turned down”. MBDA Missile Systems also refused to integrate Meteor BVRAAM with 272 Russian Sukhoi-30MKI fleet with IAF due to the same reasons even though it practically was first to offer India its Meteor BVRAAM for Su-30MKI fleet away before even India brought 36 Dassault Rafale fighter jet which now comes to India with Meteor BVRAAMs. By denying to integrate Meteor BVRAAM with LCA-Tejas Mk1A and Su-30MKI fleet, many defense analysts in India in the past have raised questions if it was done by France which is a major stakeholder in the MBDA Missile Systems so that it can make it only Dassault Rafale exclusive and make India buy more of it! Deal with KAI for its KF-X jet program which will be riding on Aesa Radar partially developed by ELTA should raise some eyebrows back in India after a request to integrate them on IAF’s Mirage-2000 fleet which is equipped with French Thales developed Radar was also turned down on basics of high integration costs requirements and lack of market need with other operators. MBDA Missile Systems has not confirmed or denied if Meteor BVRAAM can be provided to be integrated into UTTAM AESA Radar which has been under development for IAF’s MWF and AMCA fighter jet program along with Navy’s TEDBF program. India rightfully has to move beyond Astra Mk1 BVRAAM which was developed locally and field a Meteor Class BVRAAM in near future soon so that it can’t be arm-twisted by foreign vendors. NOTE: Hanwha Thales started as a joint venture between Hanwha Group and Thales Group, a French multinational aerospace and defense company but in 2016, Thales Group decided to sell its 50 percent stake in Hanwha Thales to Hanwha Group. So Thales is not providing Radar technology to the Republic of Korea Air Force’s (RoKAF’s) future KF-X fighter aircraft program. Disclaimer : Articles published under ” MY

idrw.org .Read more at India No 1 Defence News Website https://idrw.org/meteor-bvraam-inte...should-raise-eyebrows-in-india/#disqus_thread .

 

[cyclops]

Meteor BVRAAM integration on Korean KF-X fighter program should raise eyebrows in India


MBDA Missile Systems announced that Meteor beyond visual range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) will be integrated into the Republic of Korea Air Force’s (RoKAF’s) future KF-X fighter aircraft. MBDA has been awarded the contract for integration and trials campaign by Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) which is a nodal agency for the development of a 5th generation fighter jet in Blocks over the years. According to Hanwha Thales, a local defense firm which won the preferential bidder for the radar development in 2016, announced in 2017 that Israeli firm Elta will be its consultant in the testing of the indigenous radar developed by Hanwha Thales but insisted that ELTA will be limited to provide support to the sophisticated technology to test an AESA radar system and integrate it with aircraft. In 2018, Saab has received an order for support of algorithm development and evaluation for airborne AESA fighter radar by the KAI. South Korea decided to develop its AESA radar system after the US rejected its request to transfer core technologies to be applied to the KF-X jets in 2015 and many believe that Israeli ELTA is the technology provider not to test the Radar made by Hanwha Thales but will also provide some of its technology to the firm for local development of an AESA Radar. Israeli contractor Elta Systems will provide technical supports on the radar’s transmitting and receiving devices and among others as per Korean media reports. Hanwha Thales has confirmed that by 2026, Aesa Radar will no only be tested and integrated it will also enter production by that time which means it is based on the technology which is already available with ELTA but will go through some level of customization to meet requirements of the RoKAF. ELTA’s ELM-2052 AESA Fire control Radar most likely will be a used a base to develop the Aesa radar for the RoKAF with some technical inputs from the Hanwha Thales along with software developed by Saab, later MBDA Missile Systems will help in integration of the Meteor BVRAAM in the aircraft. MBDA’s Double standard towards India Back home, MBDA Missile Systems turned down India’s request to integrate its Meteor BVRAAM in the 83 LCA-Tejas Mk1A fighter jet which will be equipped with the ELTA’s ELM-2052 Aesa Radar. According to MBDA’s official statement ” Meteor BVRAAM integration with a Non-European Radar will compromise its technology and hence it was turned down”. MBDA Missile Systems also refused to integrate Meteor BVRAAM with 272 Russian Sukhoi-30MKI fleet with IAF due to the same reasons even though it practically was first to offer India its Meteor BVRAAM for Su-30MKI fleet away before even India brought 36 Dassault Rafale fighter jet which now comes to India with Meteor BVRAAMs. By denying to integrate Meteor BVRAAM with LCA-Tejas Mk1A and Su-30MKI fleet, many defense analysts in India in the past have raised questions if it was done by France which is a major stakeholder in the MBDA Missile Systems so that it can make it only Dassault Rafale exclusive and make India buy more of it! Deal with KAI for its KF-X jet program which will be riding on Aesa Radar partially developed by ELTA should raise some eyebrows back in India after a request to integrate them on IAF’s Mirage-2000 fleet which is equipped with French Thales developed Radar was also turned down on basics of high integration costs requirements and lack of market need with other operators. MBDA Missile Systems has not confirmed or denied if Meteor BVRAAM can be provided to be integrated into UTTAM AESA Radar which has been under development for IAF’s MWF and AMCA fighter jet program along with Navy’s TEDBF program. India rightfully has to move beyond Astra Mk1 BVRAAM which was developed locally and field a Meteor Class BVRAAM in near future soon so that it can’t be arm-twisted by foreign vendors. NOTE: Hanwha Thales started as a joint venture between Hanwha Group and Thales Group, a French multinational aerospace and defense company but in 2016, Thales Group decided to sell its 50 percent stake in Hanwha Thales to Hanwha Group. So Thales is not providing Radar technology to the Republic of Korea Air Force’s (RoKAF’s) future KF-X fighter aircraft program. Disclaimer : Articles published under ” MY

idrw.org .Read more at India No 1 Defence News Website https://idrw.org/meteor-bvraam-inte...should-raise-eyebrows-in-india/#disqus_thread .

Blessing in disguise, would only push us to R&D and induct Uttam and SFDR.

 

[BON PLAN]

Meteor BVRAAM integration on Korean KF-X fighter program should raise eyebrows in India


MBDA Missile Systems announced that Meteor beyond visual range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) will be integrated into the Republic of Korea Air Force’s (RoKAF’s) future KF-X fighter aircraft. MBDA has been awarded the contract for integration and trials campaign by Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) which is a nodal agency for the development of a 5th generation fighter jet in Blocks over the years. According to Hanwha Thales, a local defense firm which won the preferential bidder for the radar development in 2016, announced in 2017 that Israeli firm Elta will be its consultant in the testing of the indigenous radar developed by Hanwha Thales but insisted that ELTA will be limited to provide support to the sophisticated technology to test an AESA radar system and integrate it with aircraft. In 2018, Saab has received an order for support of algorithm development and evaluation for airborne AESA fighter radar by the KAI. South Korea decided to develop its AESA radar system after the US rejected its request to transfer core technologies to be applied to the KF-X jets in 2015 and many believe that Israeli ELTA is the technology provider not to test the Radar made by Hanwha Thales but will also provide some of its technology to the firm for local development of an AESA Radar. Israeli contractor Elta Systems will provide technical supports on the radar’s transmitting and receiving devices and among others as per Korean media reports. Hanwha Thales has confirmed that by 2026, Aesa Radar will no only be tested and integrated it will also enter production by that time which means it is based on the technology which is already available with ELTA but will go through some level of customization to meet requirements of the RoKAF. ELTA’s ELM-2052 AESA Fire control Radar most likely will be a used a base to develop the Aesa radar for the RoKAF with some technical inputs from the Hanwha Thales along with software developed by Saab, later MBDA Missile Systems will help in integration of the Meteor BVRAAM in the aircraft. MBDA’s Double standard towards India Back home, MBDA Missile Systems turned down India’s request to integrate its Meteor BVRAAM in the 83 LCA-Tejas Mk1A fighter jet which will be equipped with the ELTA’s ELM-2052 Aesa Radar. According to MBDA’s official statement ” Meteor BVRAAM integration with a Non-European Radar will compromise its technology and hence it was turned down”. MBDA Missile Systems also refused to integrate Meteor BVRAAM with 272 Russian Sukhoi-30MKI fleet with IAF due to the same reasons even though it practically was first to offer India its Meteor BVRAAM for Su-30MKI fleet away before even India brought 36 Dassault Rafale fighter jet which now comes to India with Meteor BVRAAMs. By denying to integrate Meteor BVRAAM with LCA-Tejas Mk1A and Su-30MKI fleet, many defense analysts in India in the past have raised questions if it was done by France which is a major stakeholder in the MBDA Missile Systems so that it can make it only Dassault Rafale exclusive and make India buy more of it! Deal with KAI for its KF-X jet program which will be riding on Aesa Radar partially developed by ELTA should raise some eyebrows back in India after a request to integrate them on IAF’s Mirage-2000 fleet which is equipped with French Thales developed Radar was also turned down on basics of high integration costs requirements and lack of market need with other operators. MBDA Missile Systems has not confirmed or denied if Meteor BVRAAM can be provided to be integrated into UTTAM AESA Radar which has been under development for IAF’s MWF and AMCA fighter jet program along with Navy’s TEDBF program. India rightfully has to move beyond Astra Mk1 BVRAAM which was developed locally and field a Meteor Class BVRAAM in near future soon so that it can’t be arm-twisted by foreign vendors. NOTE: Hanwha Thales started as a joint venture between Hanwha Group and Thales Group, a French multinational aerospace and defense company but in 2016, Thales Group decided to sell its 50 percent stake in Hanwha Thales to Hanwha Group. So Thales is not providing Radar technology to the Republic of Korea Air Force’s (RoKAF’s) future KF-X fighter aircraft program. Disclaimer : Articles published under ” MY

idrw.org .Read more at India No 1 Defence News Website https://idrw.org/meteor-bvraam-inte...should-raise-eyebrows-in-india/#disqus_thread .

A bad news for India.... and maybe an error from MBDA....

 

[Wisemarko]

Well, well, well.....
MBDA will never give anything more than Raytheon or LM will give. But they will charge you three times more.There’s a misconception in Indian defense community that somehow European firms give more technological access. They don’t. If they really did, India would be self-reliant in all defense technologies after 50-years of European defense purchases.

India has been deliberately kept dependent on European technology with systemic corruption, vicious arms dealers, shortsighted politicians and distain for local private industry.

If you ask any private industry, they would prefer dealing with US companies over any other minus the Israelis.

Also, European defense firms are highly corrupt. ALL OF THEM have been involved in bribing officials in middle east, Austria, Malaysia, Pakistan, Indonesia and India.

So next time when you hear the explanation of India purchasing something from Europe, always keep the bribery factor in mind.

Gotta go. Gobble gobble.
Happy Thanksgiving to Y’all.

 

[BON PLAN]

Well, well, well.....
MBDA will never give anything more than Raytheon or LM will give. But they will charge you three times more.There’s a misconception in Indian defense community that somehow European firms give more technological access. They don’t. If they really did, India would be self-reliant in all defense technologies after 50-years of European defense purchases.

India has been deliberately kept dependent on European technology with systemic corruption, vicious arms dealers, shortsighted politicians and distain for local private industry.

If you ask any private industry, they would prefer dealing with US companies over any other minus the Israelis.

Also, European defense firms are highly corrupt. ALL OF THEM have been involved in bribing officials in middle east, Austria, Malaysia, Pakistan, Indonesia and India.

So next time when you hear the explanation of India purchasing something from Europe, always keep the bribery factor in mind.

Gotta go. Gobble gobble.
Happy Thanksgiving to Y’all.

The US has nothing on par with Meteor.
And India already has access to Meteor thanks to Rafale.

for the rest, the know how good transfert depends on the 2 sides.... I see no reason to blame the european one.

 

[Bhurki]

The US has nothing on par with Meteor.
And India already has access to Meteor thanks to Rafale.

for the rest, the know how good transfert depends on the 2 sides.... I see no reason to blame the european one.

Amraam D has the same range and way more launches and tests under its belt.
Also its half the price of Louis Vuitton meteor.

 

[BON PLAN]

Amraam D has the same range and way more launches and tests under its belt.
Also its half the price of Louis Vuitton meteor.

LOL.

Another proof of the "uber alles" US technology (at least the unrivaled US propaganda, for sure) : a AA missile with classical powder engine having the same range than a slightly heavier and ramjet engine powered missile.

Maybe in a pure ballistic trajectory. Is it a air to ground fixed target missile ?

YOU ARE INCREDIBLE ! You are pulling our legs, but are incredible....