Know Your 'Rafale'

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A nuclear warhead weighs around 300kg for 150kT as of current technology (US had them in 1990 itself). That is a very small payload. Even with additional wings and guidance system, it should weigh 400-500kg. Carrying these kind of bombs is not at all a weight issue

Now coming to bombing 3000km inside enemy territory, no sane person will plan such an adventure. The ferry range of a plane may be 6000km but that doesn't mean one will travel 3000km one way trip hoping that he will. Not have to maneuver, will not be trapped on the way by SAMs or interceptors. Today's radars are extremely powerful machines which can easily detect even stealth planes if they come too close. In such a scenario, you are expecting 3000km inroad into enemy territory, you are seriously joking.

No one would do such foolish thing when there is missiles available foe the job

why one need to came 3000km inside to drop a nuclear bomb.....when stretigic objectives can be achived by drop it 500km off the coast into the sea ......

It is referring to strategic bombing which was defined in WWII. It is any medium to long range penetration bomber that can take out strategic targets that support the capacity to wage war. Without aerial refueling the Rafale can strike 2300km from its base and return. It is a medium range penetration bomber, borderline strategic without a tanker. With a tanker it is easily strategic.

 

[BON PLAN]

A nuclear warhead weighs around 300kg for 150kT as of current technology (US had them in 1990 itself). That is a very small payload. Even with additional wings and guidance system, it should weigh 400-500kg. Carrying these kind of bombs is not at all a weight issue

absolutely not.
A 100-110kt warhead of M51 french sub missile weight arround 100kg. so a 150kt is under 150kg

 

[Vijyes]

why one need to came 3000km inside to drop a nuclear bomb.....when stretigic objectives can be achived by drop it 500km off the coast into the sea ......

Or also dropping into MARS? Right? Strategic bombing of World war 2 was done with planes because they didn't have missiles. It was only in 1960 that missile technology was perfected. After that strategic bombing was the job of missiles only.

 

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Or also dropping into MARS? Right? Strategic bombing of World war 2 was done with planes because they didn't have missiles. It was only in 1960 that missile technology was perfected. After that strategic bombing was the job of missiles only.

MARS ? ..arrey , reply was not intended to you....
just leave it....

 

[Armand2REP]

A nuclear warhead weighs around 300kg for 150kT as of current technology (US had them in 1990 itself). That is a very small payload. Even with additional wings and guidance system, it should weigh 400-500kg. Carrying these kind of bombs is not at all a weight issue

Now coming to bombing 3000km inside enemy territory, no sane person will plan such an adventure. The ferry range of a plane may be 6000km but that doesn't mean one will travel 3000km one way trip hoping that he will. Not have to maneuver, will not be trapped on the way by SAMs or interceptors. Today's radars are extremely powerful machines which can easily detect even stealth planes if they come too close. In such a scenario, you are expecting 3000km inroad into enemy territory, you are seriously joking.

No one would do such foolish thing when there is missiles available foe the job

The combat range of Rafale from take-off with a payload of three fuel tanks, 2 SCALP and 4 Mica is 1852km + 560km of SCALP. With cruise missiles the Rafale can take just about any path for interdiction it wants. That 560km range makes the shot easy to take outside their heavier defences and Spectra will make a nice map for you of the best path with least chance of detection. It is always sniffing, always mapping. We also have satellites that map radar emissions. I am sure a deal can be arranged to hand over the constellation to India for a short period.

 

[Vijyes]

The combat range of Rafale from take-off with a payload of three fuel tanks, 2 SCALP and 4 Mica is 1852km + 560km of SCALP. With cruise missiles the Rafale can take just about any path for interdiction it wants. That 560km range makes the shot easy to take outside their heavier defences and Spectra will make a nice map for you of the best path with least chance of detection. It is always sniffing, always mapping. We also have satellites that map radar emissions. I am sure a deal can be arranged to hand over the constellation to India for a short period.

No deal can be made to handover satellites to India at any cost.

Why scalp missile instead of MRBM? Scalp missile travels at 0.8 Mach speed and can be intercepted with SAMs

 

[smestarz]

Western RCS are always from front, and not top and bottom.,Do ask Dassault they will say "ITS CLASSIFIED"

Rafale VLO is from front and top down. It was designed for low level deep strike. At low level you won't pick up anything until you are dead.

 

[smestarz]

Strategic bombing does in a way refer to putting a certain level of payload on enemies strategic assets.
Now during WW2 Strategic bombing involved taking off from England and striking Germany to take out the uboat pens or V1 launch sites or even important Dams. Rafale is fine when it comes to Pakistan its small country and Rafales range can hit most of the country, but China is a different beast al together. Even to hit the most important Southern City of Guangzhou and Shenzhen it does not have the Range or warload to make a statement. The most important Chinese asset 3 Gorges Dam is well outside range of Rafales. That too with say 5 CFTs. how exactly would be important to strike important Chinese targets?

It is referring to strategic bombing which was defined in WWII. It is any medium to long range penetration bomber that can take out strategic targets that support the capacity to wage war. Without aerial refueling the Rafale can strike 2300km from its base and return. It is a medium range penetration bomber, borderline strategic without a tanker. With a tanker it is easily strategic.

 

[smestarz]

The range what you indicated is surely Hi Hi Hi range and does not include :Lo at any point., The moment it comes to Lo the range will fall down, and the moment its high, its open to all sort of SAMs and Air interceptions.
It seems that the SPECTRA is indeed overhyped. I guess the french are just short of declaring it as Romulan device.

The combat range of Rafale from take-off with a payload of three fuel tanks, 2 SCALP and 4 Mica is 1852km + 560km of SCALP. With cruise missiles the Rafale can take just about any path for interdiction it wants. That 560km range makes the shot easy to take outside their heavier defences and Spectra will make a nice map for you of the best path with least chance of detection. It is always sniffing, always mapping. We also have satellites that map radar emissions. I am sure a deal can be arranged to hand over the constellation to India for a short period.

 

[BON PLAN]

Or also dropping into MARS? Right? Strategic bombing of World war 2 was done with planes because they didn't have missiles. It was only in 1960 that missile technology was perfected. After that strategic bombing was the job of missiles only.

Not only.
A carpet bombing, with precision guided bombs, can be made by USA (china? russia?) with ONE B52 or ONE B1.
With that you can destroy on one attack all an airfield, with all planes, all vehicules and all warehouses. To do the same job with missiles, you need a lot of them !

PS : this kind of carpet bombing is made after suppression of ennemy DCA and SAM, of course.

 

[tharun]

This thread derailed long back some one take time and clean thread please.

 

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A fully loaded Rafale-B in a deep penetration HVT strike configuration escorted by an Air-Air configured Rafale-C

The Rafale-B can be seen armed with 2x SCALP cruise missiles and 2x MICA-IR along with 3x 2000 litre droptanks, while the Rafale-C is armed with 6x MICA-RF/IR and 3x 1250 litre supersonic droptanks.

 

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The Indian Air Force (IAF) is planning to acquire an additional 36 Dassault Rafale jets over the proposed procurement of Russia’s Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA).

Times of India quoting Indian MoD sources said that the IAF has made “some presentations” on the operational need to procure 36 additional Rafales, with the force contending the French fighters would prove to be much cheaper than the proposed FGFA to be developed with Russia.

The report said that the IAF has started to pitch for acquiring another 36 Rafale fighters after it gets the first 36 jets under the 7.87 billion euro contract signed with France last September. The additional jets will cost just over 60% of the original acquisition price.

“But no final decision as yet has been taken on either the 36 more Rafales or the FGFA project,” the report quoted an unnamed MoD source as saying.

The 36 jets, which can also deliver nuclear weapons, are slated for delivery from November 2019 to mid-2022. IAF has told MoD that the infrastructure coming up at the proposed Rafale bases at Hasimara and Ambala can accommodate two Rafale squadrons each. “This will cut down the induction costs of the 36 additional fighters,” said the source.

However, an earlier report in the Hindustan Times said that defence ministry panel to examine different aspects of the FGFA project has said that India should co-develop and co-produce the stealth fighter with Russia.

The committee, headed by Air Marshal Simhakutty Varthaman (retd), has strongly recommended India should go ahead with it, the newspaper said quoting IAF sources said

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/20...ts_Over_Russian_Stealth_Fighter_#.WaYdlPm6bqB

 

[BON PLAN]

A fully loaded Rafale-B in a deep penetration HVT strike configuration escorted by an Air-Air configured Rafale-C

The Rafale-B can be seen armed with 2x SCALP cruise missiles and 2x MICA-IR along with 3x 2000 litre droptanks, while the Rafale-C is armed with 6x MICA-RF/IR and 3x 1250 litre supersonic droptanks.

The plane with the SCALP can also carry 2 more MICA on each side of the frame.

It's a classical config.
With 4 medium AAM (and the 2 on the frame can be replaced by 2 METEOR on F3R next year), no need of air escort.

It's a marketing quite old pic, to show on the air 2 very differents config.

 

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The plane with the SCALP can also carry 2 more MICA on each side of the frame.

It's a classical config.
With 4 medium AAM (and the 2 on the frame can be replaced by 2 METEOR on F3R next year), no need of air escort.

It's a marketing quite old pic, to show on the air 2 very differents config.

Lets have have a look on Max weapon load that is 9.5 tons (21,000 lbs)
3x 2000 liter drop tanks = 6.7 tons
2x SCALP = 2.6 tons
2x MICA = 240 Kg

Total = 6.7 + 2.6 + 240 kgs = 9.54 tons
which is already overloaded by 40kgs
http://defense-update.com/20140127_rafale_omnirole_configuration.html

But you can further add more weight on pylons but than you have to reduce the quantity of internal fuel.
choice is yours.

Good Day..

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

Lets have have a look on Max weapon load that is 9.5 tons (21,000 lbs)
3x 2000 liter drop tanks = 6.7 tons
2x SCALP = 2.6 tons
2x MICA = 240 Kg

Total = 6.7 + 2.6 + 240 kgs = 9.54 tons
which is already overloaded by 40kgs
http://defense-update.com/20140127_rafale_omnirole_configuration.html

But you can further add more weight on pylons but than you have to reduce the quantity of internal fuel.
choice is yours.

Good Day..

What is the range of Rafale with internal fuel load only?The combat radius.

What is the weight of a Meteor?

 

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What is the range of Rafale with internal fuel load only?The combat radius.

Rafale-C internal fuel capacity = 4.7 tons
and ferry range with internal fuel will be about 1800kms but combat radius will be nearly 700kms with full weapon load

What is the weight of a Meteor?

It will be nearly 185kg

 

[Vijyes]

Rafale-C internal fuel capacity = 4.7 tons
and ferry range with internal fuel will be about 1800kms but combat radius will be nearly 700kms with full weapon load

It will be nearly 185kg

Noooooo! Ferry range means entire distance from take off to landing, including both way trips. For example, a plane takes off from agra, bombs karachi and then comes back, its ferry range is twice the distance of agra to karachi.

The ferry range of Rafale is 2200km with internal fuel. 1700km is the ferry range of tejas with fuel capacity of 2.4 ton. Rafale, though has 4.7 ton fuel and twice the weight of Tejas, the increase in drag is lower than the ratio of weights

 

[TPFscopes]

Noooooo! Fange means entire distance from take off to landing, including both way trips. For example, a plane takes off from agra, bombs karachi and then comes back, its ferry range is twice the distance of agra to karachi.

The ferry range of Rafale is 2200km with internal fuel. 1700km is the ferry range of tejas with fuel capacity of 2.4 ton. Rafale, though has 4.7 ton fuel and twice the weight of Tejas, the increase in drag is lower than the ratio of weights

Don't try to be smart buddy. I know what does it mean.

RAFALE-C have a range of 3700kms with 2 CFTs and 3 Drop tanks. But here we are talking about range with internal fuel only. And the maximum range with internal fuel only is nearly 1800km.

Ferry Range: The maximum distance that an aircraft can fly without refueling and arrive at the destination with a specified reserve of fuel.

Hope, you understand it.

Good Day

 

[Vijyes]

Don't try to be smart buddy. I know what does it mean.

RAFALE-C have a range of 3700kms with 2 CFTs and 3 Drop tanks. But here we are talking about range with internal fuel only. And the maximum range with internal fuel only is nearly 1800km.

Ferry Range: The maximum distance that an aircraft can fly without refueling and arrive at the destination with a specified reserve of fuel.

Hope, you understand it.

Good Day

AFAIK, it is said to be 2200 km. I am just saying that,not being smart