Know Your 'Rafale'

[aditya10r]

Wrong.

Anyway, please elaborate that red color part.

Isn't tejas supposed to replace mig 27s.
We got 250 sukhoi.
Another 120 mig 29 and mirages.
150 jaguars.
And if we add 200 tejas the total number of combat aircraft is 720.lets add 36 rafales now and the total is 750+.that's 42 squadrons of combat aircrafts,the sanctioned strength.
I do not think more than 50+ or even 30+ rafales will be ordered.


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[abingdonboy]

Isn't tejas supposed to replace mig 27s.
We got 250 sukhoi.
Another 120 mig 29 and mirages.
150 jaguars.
And if we add 200 tejas the total number of combat aircraft is 720.lets add 36 rafales now and the total is 750+.that's 42 squadrons of combat aircrafts,the sanctioned strength.
I do not think more than 50+ or even 30+ rafales will be ordered.

The LCA isn't going to replace the MiG-27 only the 21.

Another 90 Rafales will be ordered for the IAF at least (otherwise it makes no sense for the GoI to be spending 1.5bn Euro on Indian specific modifications) and the IN have a requirement for at least 5 SQNs of the Rafale M.

 

[aditya10r]

Wrong.

Anyway, please elaborate that red color part.

Because of the sanctioned strength of the air force
Current sanctioned strength is 750 combat Ac(very less considering two front scenario at least 900-1100 combat aircraft is needed).
There will be 36 rafales and another 250 sukhois and another 270 mig 29,mirages,jaguars so the total is 560 aircrafts and if we add another 36 rafales the total number of aircraft is 600 without LCA.
LCA being replacement for mig 21 and 27's which are 300-320 in number I think air force will order 200 lca's for sure.
Now adding the earlier 600 aircrafts and 200 tejas's it's 800 aircrafts more than 750 aircrafts sanctioned strength.
There won't be any make in india combat aircraft.

Plus why do feel I am wrong?

 

[republic_roi97]

The LCA isn't going to replace the MiG-27 only the 21.

Another 90 Rafales will be ordered for the IAF at least (otherwise it makes no sense for the GoI to be spending 1.5bn Euro on Indian specific modifications) and the IN have a requirement for at least 5 SQNs of the Rafale M.

Yup that is what I was thinking, 36+90=126 i.e, the originally required number............

 

[abingdonboy]

Yup that is what I was thinking, 36+90=126 i.e, the originally required number............

Yup. The only thing that has changed is the initial off the shelf purchase has been expanded from 18 to 36 to meet the IAF's most urgent needs as expressed by mode in Paris.

The remaining 90 will be made in India and will be a real asset to the IAF (offer far greater availability and utility than the MKIs and LCAs). There could even be more for the IAF beyond 90 but I won't get my hopes up too high right now.

 

[Imaxxx]

Parrikar a true common man(unlike that other chap mosquito) from my state, ex-minister from my hometown, my idol, FINALLY DID IT!!!

Yes. Unfortunately for #Pathankot and #Uri he has not finally did it.

 

[Akshay_Fenix]

Yes. Unfortunately for #Pathankot and #Uri he has not finally did it.

I cant help you in that, any operations carried out by the Indian Army will not be disclosed to the public due to our presstitutes creating hullabaloo about it and since there is no media in pokistan, you wont get to know anything from them as well.

 

[aditya10r]

The LCA isn't going to replace the MiG-27 only the 21.

Another 90 Rafales will be ordered for the IAF at least (otherwise it makes no sense for the GoI to be spending 1.5bn Euro on Indian specific modifications) and the IN have a requirement for at least 5 SQNs of the Rafale M.

I do not think an expensive jet such as Rafale is a proper replacement for mig 27.no doubt Rafale has amazing ground attack capabilities but still expensive.the proper replacement is tejas only considering every factor.
Rafale is good for deep strike roles but with 100mn usd plus price tag,i don't think it's possible and consider cost per hour flight training spares and other things will be very expensive.



Why do you think tejas won't replace mig 27??????

 

[aditya10r]

Yup that is what I was thinking, 36+90=126 i.e, the originally required number............

Then what about mii offer of gripen-e,f-18sh and super viper????

 

[abingdonboy]

I do not think an expensive jet such as Rafale is a proper replacement for mig 27.no doubt Rafale has amazing ground attack capabilities but still expensive.the proper replacement is tejas only considering every factor.
Rafale is good for deep strike roles but with 100mn usd plus price tag,i don't think it's possible and consider cost per hour flight training spares and other things will be very expensive.



Why do you think tejas won't replace mig 27??????

The LCA was never meant to be a replacement for the MiG-27. It was always meant to replace the MiG-21 in the rear guard/point defence/air policing roles. Yes it has evolved into a very capable platform with true multi role capabilities but the role it will be given remains the same.

This does not detract from the LCA one bit, for what it is it is an exceptional beast and will serve in vast numbers.

The Rafale is another kettle of fish and will be ordered too in vast numbers for a very different role (deep strike). The cost India is getting the Rafale is actually less than the Super MKI offered to India AND the Rafale will have FAR higher availability rates and lower maintenance/flight hour costs than the MKI.


These days all high tech military equipment is expensive and India can afford it.

 

[abingdonboy]

Then what about mii offer of gripen-e,f-18sh and super viper????

Hoaxes. Why would India get American jets when they offer no meaningful ToT and would impose restrictive end user agreements on India and the Gripen would kill the LCA project in its tracks.

The Rafale is the only MII jet offer worth considering.

 

[Imaxxx]

I cant help you in that, any operations carried out by the Indian Army will not be disclosed to the public due to our presstitutes creating hullabaloo about it and since there is no media in pokistan, you wont get to know anything from them as well.

That's a lame cover for inaction.

 

[republic_roi97]

Then what about mii offer of gripen-e,f-18sh and super viper????

My friend the fact is, americans have lost their opportunity to sell their fighter jets to India, we simply have no need of any more fighters, one might disagree talking about F-35, but buying it means to throw our FGFA and AMCA programs into dustbin. Now with Rafale, large number of LCA upcoming FGFA, AMCA and upgrades of Sukhoi 30 MKI, MiG 29s and Mirage, adding anymore "different" jet(s) into our inventory would mean a headache for the sake of maintenance, compatibility and other factors.

So I think that Americans are a little late to having good relations with India "when it comes to Jet Fighters".

 

[Scarface]

90 more foreign purchased aircraft will be ordered,Rafale is a possibility but it's not a far favorite


Defence minister Manohar Parrikar has been quoted saying the follow-up 90 aircraft will be one of the following
Gripen-E
F-16 blk 70
F-18 SH/ASH
Eurofighter Typhoon
Rafale(which the minister isn't particularly fond of and has been quoted calling it "expensive")

Also he has been very vocal in his satisfaction with Boeing and Tata joint ventures,F-18 is probably a very serious contender

 

[Vilander]

We do have a data-link for our birds, but no 3D radars and Yes I agree with you that IAF should also have there own air theater and conduct exercises like Red Flag, but I think it won't be feasible as it requires a very large airspace covering several thousand miles. Do you have any place in mind?

First post. Only read the comments here.

Andaman/Thar could be areas considered for this.

 

[aditya10r]

My friend the fact is, americans have lost their opportunity to sell their fighter jets to India, we simply have no need of any more fighters, one might disagree talking about F-35, but buying it means to throw our FGFA and AMCA programs into dustbin. Now with Rafale, large number of LCA upcoming FGFA, AMCA and upgrades of Sukhoi 30 MKI, MiG 29s and Mirage, adding anymore "different" jet(s) into our inventory would mean a headache for the sake of maintenance, compatibility and other factors.

So I think that Americans are a little late to having good relations with India "when it comes to Jet Fighters".

Then we can expect 400+ amca to be inducted in the air force.

 

[Hardi]

That makes ZERO sense, there is next to no overlap between the Rafale and LCA. The LCA is the replacement for the MiG-21, the Rafale is the replacement for the Mig-27 and Jaguars. The LCA's payload and range is but a fraction of the Rafale's and it simply isn't suited to the same low profile deep strike missions the IAF seek their Rafales for.

LCA is Indian..Proud on it..

But No ware comparison it's with Rafale...
Rafale is a Highly..Develops Aircraft War Machine..
And it's choice Because only confront to Chinese jet.. and Chinese war game.

 

[WolfPack86]

India's #RafaleDeal to be signed tomorrow afternoon at the MoD. Stay tuned for updates
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[WolfPack86]

India's #RafaleDeal to be signed tomorrow afternoon at the MoD
https://twitter.com/livefist?lang=en

 

[Scarface]

Rafale is a dud on the China front in current numbers,
China's high-low mix,assuming the high is J-20 will be able to counter Rafale,in high enough numbers maybe we can take out good amount of China's low mix fighters without losing the air battle,but enduring heavy losses.