Know Your 'Rafale'

[BON PLAN]

The APG-63v3 ( among the biggest and most power fighter radar till date ) and Sniper-XR failed to detect F-35

no Sniper used.
F35 IR trace is HUGE. and it need to use PC too often because it is fat = So easy to detect for a dedicated IR sensor.
Sniper is not dedicated for AtoA !

 

[StealthFlanker]

can carry, yes. But in this training it wasn't used. Sniper is mainly (not to say only) used for AtoG use.

So where is the official source that said it isnt used in this exercrise ? funny how you tried your best to down play F-35 just like you tried your best to play up the Rafale so where is your link for MACE exercise with F-16CJ and Rafale ( in which only Rafale survive ? ) ?

 

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Actually where is the evidence that Rafale structure limit is 11 G ? did you got that from Picard again ? , FYI , just because the pilots did pulled 11G before and the aircraft remain intact , that doesnt mean 11G is the structure limit of the aircraft

Rafale is structurally designed to pull up to 11 G. The FBW system able to reach to this limit in AtoA config. See this official document.

AND FOR SOME, READ THE END OF THE DOCUMENT, ABOUT SUPERCRUISING.

 

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So where is the official source that said it isnt used in this exercrise ? funny how you tried your best to down play F-35 just like you tried your best to play up the Rafale so where is your link for MACE exercise with F-16CJ and Rafale ( in which only Rafale survive ? ) ?

Just because the sniper pod is a air to ground pod.
So stop with you and give me YOUR proof USAF test a F15E with Sniper against F35 .

 

[BON PLAN]

it finished a 180 degrees turn in 7 seconds ( From 2:44-2:51) that equal to average turn rate of 25 -26 degrees/second , and F-35 is limited to 7G at the moment. A higher turn rate is considered dominating if the different is around 2 degrees/second or more. If Rafale is so much more agile than F-35 like the fanboy want to believe ,then where is the video of it performing a turn with turn rate of 40 degrees/second or more ? In fact i cant even find video of Rafale turning at 25 degrees/second.

You're wrong !
During a high G turn every plane lost energy, and F35 not less than another. That means the first quarter is faster than the second, itself faster than the third... So you can't multiply by 2 the first 180° to "calculate"a 360°.
this is rubbish

 

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No, you think F-35 is a strike aircraft because that what you read on some internet forum and magazine.

euh.....

JSF = Joint STRIKE aircraft. the name of the F35 program my dear.

 

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As already explained , the test was a flight control software ,not a dogfight to see who win like Reg flag exercise. And the purpose of the external fuel tank is to give the F-16 more time on the air to match the F-35. They can alternatively reduce the fuel load of the F-35 but that will just mean they have less testing time.

see this news. It was dog fight.
http://arstechnica.com/business/201...6-face-off-was-also-a-battle-of-philosophies/

and explain me why opposing F35 to F15E, why not a F15C ?

Maybe because F15E is a.... strike aircraft, like F35 !

 

[BON PLAN]

English Electric Lightning and F-16 can both reach mach 1.1 on dry thrust alone still they are not called supercruiser .

first time I read that. Maybe it's true. But I think they need some PC before to reach this speed and after maybe they can maintain this some miles.

 

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in 2014, the head of the Air Combat Command (ACC) of the US Air Force , the then General Mike Hostage , explained that the F- 35 : " was not built as a platform air superiority " and was therefore " need the F-22 ", another stealth product to less than 180 copies. Failing that, had he continued, " the fleet of F-35 will frankly irrelevant ."

F35 = JSF = strike fighter.

 

[StealthFlanker]

no Sniper used.

And where is the source for that?

F35 IR trace is HUGE. .

And that based on what? do you have any official study or simulation to show that F-35 have huge Infrared signature compared to Sukhoi or Rafale

and it need to use PC too often because it is fat = So easy to detect for a dedicated IR sensor. !

Wow how accurate, no number given just fan boy eye ball analysis

Sniper is not dedicated for AtoA !

So what? any evidence that FSO or OLS-35 can see further?

 

[StealthFlanker]

Rafale is structurally designed to pull up to 11 G. The FBW system able to reach to this limit in AtoA config. See this official document.

AND FOR SOME, READ THE END OF THE DOCUMENT, ABOUT SUPERCRUISING.

And i already explained to you that structure Glimit mean little when comparing aircraft agility, even the F-14 which was a 6.5G aircraft can and did pulled 11G and still remains intact

 

[StealthFlanker]

Just because the sniper pod is a air to ground pod.
So stop with you and give me YOUR proof USAF test a F15E with Sniper against F35 .

Sniper-XR is like a default for F-15E configuration, it rarely fly without it, just like it doesn't fly without CFT, in fact you cant even find a picture of F-15E whether in exercise or war configuration without targeting pod.

 

[StealthFlanker]

first time I read that. Maybe it's true. But I think they need some PC before to reach this speed and after maybe they can maintain this some miles.

then you think wrong then

 

[StealthFlanker]

You're wrong !
During a high G turn every plane lost energy, and F35 not less than another. That means the first quarter is faster than the second, itself faster than the third... So you can't multiply by 2 the first 180° to "calculate"a 360°.
this is rubbish

oh really am i wrong ?, ever heard of something called a sustained turn rate? ever heard of specific excess power ?

btw if Rafale turn so much faster than F-35 then how come you still haven't posted video of Rafale that finished 180 degrees in shorter time?

in 2014, the head of the Air Combat Command (ACC) of the US Air Force , the then General Mike Hostage , explained that the F- 35 : " was not built as a platform air superiority " and was therefore " need the F-22 ", another stealth product to less than 180 copies. Failing that, had he continued, " the fleet of F-35 will frankly irrelevant ."

funny how you care about what an American General said now, didn't you forget they also said F-35 is more than enough to deal with PAk-FA and J-20?

 

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And where is the source for that?

and where is your source for saying F15E in this AtoA test was carrying a Sniper ? It's not logical.

 

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And that based on what? do you have any official study or simulation to show that F-35 have huge Infrared signature compared to Sukhoi or Rafale

read this :
http://defense-update.com/20160812_f35_thermal.html

I note :
"Critics of the F-35 claim that while its stealth design denies its detection by radars, infrared imagers can easily spot the aircraft at long range, by its heat signature."

 

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Wow how accurate, no number given just fan boy eye ball analysis

Not to be a supercruiser explain a lot of things between aerodynamic and TWR of F35.
It is fat (you just have to look at to understand) and designed to be a Strike aircraft (replace A10) so it need more thrust to compete in AtoA. The training loose against a F16D with external tanks emphasive the lack of energy of the wild turkey. oups... sorry... the F35.

 

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oh really am i wrong ?, ever heard of something called a sustained turn rate? ever heard of specific excess power ?

btw if Rafale turn so much faster than F-35 then how come you still haven't posted video of Rafale that finished 180 degrees in shorter time?

When you want to impress the world, and it was the case, you don't turn at the sustained turn rate ! Don't try to change reality (and trial against F16D was the best proof) in your fantasm.
In some days or week you will be (auto) convinced F35 is the best agile plane in the world .... self persuasion it will be.

Sorry I have no video of Rafale turn. But every body knows Rafale and Gripen are the most agile plane maybe except F22 (but Gripen lost its energy faster because inferior TWR in war config, ie not clean as for aero show)

 

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Sniper-XR is like a default for F-15E configuration, it rarely fly without it, just like it doesn't fly without CFT, in fact you cant even find a picture of F-15E whether in exercise or war configuration without targeting pod.

With laser pod, but no Sniper....

 

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funny how you care about what an American General said now, didn't you forget they also said F-35 is more than enough to deal with PAk-FA and J-20?

Too big to fail....
It's part of LM propaganda and marketing. F35 is a strike fighter (sorry... will be), PAK FA will be a fighter, a competitor to F22. Not the same use, not the same spec.
It's like to say Hurricane was able to match FW190D .... maybe with a drunked german pilot.