Know Your 'Rafale'

[StealthFlanker]

I did not say Picard, but PicDel.. he claims to be have been working in Dassault before... you know how it works on Rafale defence forum .. sorry IDF..

Ahh fair enough , do anyone have the links to one of these topics he is in ? Google search result doesnt show anything

 

[smestarz]

We can see how Desperate Dassault and France are for Indian order hahahahaah

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[smestarz]

Picard or picdel,,, pic del is in Rafale defence forum (ex-idf)

Ahh fair enough , do anyone have the links to one of these topics he is in ? Google search result doesnt show anything

 

[StealthFlanker]

Picard or picdel,,, pic del is in Rafale defence forum (ex-idf)

Actually just found him , he has an account in pakistan defense too : http://**********/threads/the-rafale-hidden-beauties-and-its-future.422896/
his account is Picdelamirand-oil

there is no chance that guy is actually a professional lol , dont be fooled , look at what he wrote about muti static radar and jamming :

AESA radar are used as emitters and PESA as passive receivers. The AESA radar emits and transmits over the dedicated link, data allowing PESA to build a replica of the signal, it can thus detect the direct signal

=> he thinks the different between AESA and PESA is that the passive part in PESA stand for listening

Current growler pods are offensive jammers and send blank noise with very high transmitted power and could hide several plane in the noise.
Next generation, like Carbone , Spectra will localise the threat duplicate the signal with DRFM, and send it several time to the emitter.

=>he thinks deceptive jamming is something new and only something like Spectra have it , yep guys this guys dont even know about something like RGPO or VGPO , or cross polarization or cross eye jamming and he called himself an expert ? give me a break

lol Picdelamirand-oil is a rafale fanboy that happened to read some research paper and know some scientific sounding words nothing more. In fact it probably another account of Picard

 

[Rahul Singh]

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Also this will put a full stop on the list. Considering the negotiations materialises into a deal.

 

[Zebra]

Any aircraft you purchase today which is not better than frontline fighters of your prime adversary is a waste of resources.

That is why I preferred Gripen E and F/A-18 ASH.

When i say today it means finite time any deal for such a purchase will take to materialize. Look at the time Rafale has taken. What suggests any deal with Sweden won't take more?

IAF needs fighters, true. But why can't it be meet by expediting development and then induction of LCA MK-2? Specially when if we sign a deal for Gripen E today we won't be getting first fighter for at least three years from the date.

It all depends on MoD.

If they prefer not to be a sticky nose, then all good.

Lets SAAB have freehand in it, a JV with an Indian company will do. What say......!

My arguments are based on so-called permanent solution. And of course it requires some sacrifices. If IAF waits for LCA MK-2 for just 5 years, its M-MRCA problem can be solved for forever. Another 10 years and its 5th generation aircraft requirement can be solved too. Together they will bring IAF to a stage when we will be issuing any RFI for front-line jet fighters no more. Such a decision takes heart and balls, something our primary adversary China is known for. That's why most fear it and least us.

What are the guaranty that all the aircrafts HAL develop and make will be 'better than frontline fighters of your prime adversary' as you said in your own post.

I am optimistic about HAL's products. But I don't want to be over optimistic about it.

HAL's products are great, but at-least I can't bet for nation's security on it. To be honest.

Sorry, but I said what I think.

And I am more happy and more comfortable with mixed fleet of fighter aircrafts.

 

[Rahul Singh]

That is why I preferred Gripen E and F/A-18 ASH.

If you are saying so keeping PAF in mind, then i have to say we don't need them. We already have more than enough. IAF's fleet of SU-30MKIs is already an overkill.

But i did not say those words keeping PAF in mind but PLAAF. They are about to induct a 5th generation fighter. And we should think about countering it instead of buying another 4th generation fighter as filler, only because we can buy.

If you are willing to spend then make sure it's an investment, not a misinvestment.

It all depends on MoD.

If they prefer not to be a sticky nose, then all good.

Lets SAAB have freehand in it, a JV with an Indian company will do. What say......!

After Modi Ji poked his own nose into the deal, MOD could not waste a second. This is as fast as it could go. And we all know how fast?

What are the guaranty that all the aircrafts HAL develop and make will be 'better than frontline fighters of your prime adversary' as you said in your own post.

I am optimistic about HAL's products. But I don't want to be over optimistic about it.

HAL's products are great, but at-least I can't bet for nation's security on it. To be honest.

Sorry, but I said what I think.

And I am more happy and more comfortable with mixed fleet of fighter aircrafts.

There is but one guarantee that all those aircraft developed by HAL can be made better suited to IAF's requirement than any other imported airframe. And this is what matters. Swedes know how to jam Galileo Raven ES-05 AESA that they are proposing with Gripen E. They can sell this information to anyone willing to pay. But how could anyone possibly know how to jam an Uttam with this ease? This is just one example illustrating the point.

 

[BON PLAN]

You are really born stupid, hahahaha
You yourself said here that Rafale was presenting false targets to Libyan air defence, you know what you posted.
Further the guy who you believe to be expert on other forum (Pic del) he did say that SPECTRA is active cancellation.. So if its active cancellation then Rafale should be invisible on Radar.

So, either he is giving BS or you are giving BS or importantly Both... the balls are in your court,. hit them at your own discretion.... Thats the proof for you.. source,... you

OK, i'm stupid and You are an idiot.
Spectra can use a variety of tactics. Sending a false target to them was enough. No need to use other tactics when everybody sniff your plane.

Rafale used active cancelation on training against EF some years ago.... they see nothing. But as everybody we don't show all the capacity we have.

Understand Idiot?

PS : I'm also able to use insult Bro.....

 

[BON PLAN]

and you didnt understand that RCS can be estimated by software ?

Only if you have the exact shape and materials (RAM including) of the object. And no one will give it !

 

[BON PLAN]

I did not say Picard, but PicDel.. he claims to be have been working in Dassault before... you know how it works on Rafale defence forum .. sorry IDF..

He worked for DA. And YOU ? making Big Mac ?

 

[BON PLAN]

Doesnt matter , F-16 with GBU-31 have SEAD capabilities too , point is in Lybia it was Tornado and F-16 which do the job of hunting and destroying radar and neither of them got shot down either , so the fact that Rafale survive is nothing special.

NO. Rafale enter first, and some days before ALL the others.

 

[BON PLAN]

And where is your source for Rafale survive air defense while F-16CJ didnt in MACE XIII ?

yep that why Russian , China , USA , Canada , Australia , Israel , Norway , UK , Japan , Korean ..etc all want stealth fighters

and you didnt understand that RCS can be estimated by software ?

Doesnt matter , F-16 with GBU-31 have SEAD capabilities too , point is in Lybia it was Tornado and F-16 which do the job of hunting and destroying radar and neither of them got shot down either , so the fact that Rafale survive is nothing special.

did i talk about cobra maneuver ? no
when i talk about high AoA i mean snap shot and scissor capabilities

When I see the F35 in air show, it is all but impressiv ! high AoA ? when ???

 

[BON PLAN]

Omfg did someone really believed that Picard is an expert he is the biggest morons ever, that clown doesnt even understand basic aerodynamic and electronics and just making up number as he go. There was 1 time i visited his blog and interrogated him about some number he put on there , at first he tried to throw around some science sounding words but then he realised i know what iam talking about , it was so funny , never seen someone gone quiet so quick

A Guy with less than 50 posts says that.... Whaou ....

 

[gadeshi]

When I see the F35 in air show, it is all but impressiv ! high AoA ? when ???

How can ANYBODY have SEAD capabilities with less than 100km capable GBU-31 or SDB against dense, network centric AD consisting of 250-400km capable SAMs???
Americans just fool themselves and their customers with such declarations.

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[BON PLAN]

Actually just found him , he has an account in pakistan defense too : http://**********/threads/the-rafale-hidden-beauties-and-its-future.422896/
his account is Picdelamirand-oil

there is no chance that guy is actually a professional lol , dont be fooled , look at what he wrote about muti static radar and jamming :

=> he thinks the different between AESA and PESA is that the passive part in PESA stand for listening



=>he thinks deceptive jamming is something new and only something like Spectra have it , yep guys this guys dont even know about something like RGPO or VGPO , or cross polarization or cross eye jamming and he called himself an expert ? give me a break

lol Picdelamirand-oil is a rafale fanboy that happened to read some research paper and know some scientific sounding words nothing more. In fact it probably another account of Picard

This guy was involved in the Atlantic 2 radar system. And he worked for the french nuclear simulation center... and you? speak us a little bit of you......

 

[BON PLAN]

How can ANYBODY have SEAD capabilities with less than 100km capable GBU-31 or SDB against dense, network centric AD consisting of 250-400km capable SAMs???
Americans just fool themselves and their customers with such declarations.

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I doubt a SAM is effective at such a range. Well well over the horizon.... You need a system to track. It will be destroyed first.

 

[Zebra]

If you are saying so keeping PAF in mind, then i have to say we don't need them. We already have more than enough. IAF's fleet of SU-30MKIs is already an overkill.
But i did not say those words keeping PAF in mind but PLAAF. They are about to induct a 5th generation fighter. And we should think about countering it instead of buying another 4th generation fighter as filler, only because we can buy.
If you are willing to spend then make sure it's an investment, not a misinvestment.

Than IAF has its own requirements for 5th gen aircraft also.

On top of it, any country won't replace their fleet of 4th gen aircrafts with all 5th gen aircrafts in short period of time either.

In-fact PLAAF itself got many new 4th gen aircrafts in recent past only.

What about short of squadrons in IAF........!

After Modi Ji poked his own nose into the deal, MOD could not waste a second. This is as fast as it could go. And we all know how fast?

There is but one guarantee that all those aircraft developed by HAL can be made better suited to IAF's requirement than any other imported airframe.

IAF has many requirements, one of them could be aircrafts must suit Indian weather and geography.

And second requirement could be, as you mentioned before..................... 'better than frontline fighters of your prime adversary' .

What about that second point..? I ask it second time.

And this is what matters. Swedes know how to jam Galileo Raven ES-05 AESA that they are proposing with Gripen E. They can sell this information to anyone willing to pay. But how could anyone possibly know how to jam an Uttam with this ease? This is just one example illustrating the point.

The same story one can apply for Russians, French, US, Israelis and for entire euro fighter consortium also.

In other words, you wants a situation where IAF can't buy any aircrafts developed by any other country.

Just bcz they might sell some information to anyone who are willing to pay.

And how uttam your "Uttam" radar is in real world........? Can it fulfil the requirements you yourself raised....!

This one, I am talking about ---> 'better than frontline fighters of your prime adversary'

 

[StealthFlanker]

NO. Rafale enter first, and some days before ALL the others.

Nope , not some days, only one day earlier than Denmark , Rafales entered on 22 March , while Denmark F-16AM entered on 23 March , big deal . And still SEAD was carried out by F-16 and tornado and i dont see them got shot down at all.

Only if you have the exact shape and materials (RAM including) of the object. And no one will give it !

simulated shape is actually simple , RAM ? ok you wont know their exact absorbing capabilities , however as i said it is an estimate and you see still see the radar scattering pattern

When I see the F35 in air show, it is all but impressiv ! high AoA ? when ???

Up until now there is only one power demo , it havent really go to air show yet , so no high AoA capabilities havent been show off. However, i wouldnt really say it's power demo unimpressive
From 2:44-2:51 ( or 7 seconds) ,F-35 finished a 180 degrees turn, that equal to average turn rate of 25.7 degrees/second,and that is with the 7G restriction in place.
for comparison purpose F-16 with no G restriction can do around 22.5 degree/sec at the same altitude

A Guy with less than 50 posts says that.... Whaou

Doesnt matter if i have 1 post or 10000 pots here, the truth remain the same.

This guy was involved in the Atlantic 2 radar system. And he worked for the french nuclear simulation center

No he didnt , stop fooling yourself , no expert will make such mistakes like he does

 

[StealthFlanker]

How can ANYBODY have SEAD capabilities with less than 100km capable GBU-31 or SDB against dense, network centric AD consisting of 250-400km capable SAMs???
Americans just fool themselves and their customers with such declarations.

Just because your SAM has kinematic range of 250-400 km that doesnt mean you will be able to shot down anything in that radius. As already explained , you need to lock on target and get a firing solution first, and there are so many different factors that can and will reduce that lock on range such as low RCS , low altitude , Jamming , clutter and so on

 

[Jagdish58]

http://www.defencenews.in/article/I...-30MKI-upgrade-amid-delay-in-Rafale-deal-7555
Is this final nail in rafale coffin