Know Your 'Rafale'

[BON PLAN]

So here's the image of how the F-35 compares according to pilot, keeping in mind that this is with the 7g control law limit

http://www.heritage.org/research/re...rocurement-and-concurrent-development-process

And these pilots are....

American (or GB).
pampered by LM.
Too proud to be among an elite to fly this new plane.
Probably flying some specialy studied scenarios.

So.... impartial ?

 

[BON PLAN]

For this time, F35 is only an exibition plane (and not very impressiv in fact).
Far the rest, we all have to wait first international exercices or conflict.

 

[StealthFlanker]

The plane was developped to be as manoeuvrable as F16. It is not.

It is according to pilot, even at current 7 G restriction F-35 have better high AoA performance and worse sustain turn rate

It mus be a long legs plane. It is short.

It is extremely long leg in fact

www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=21434

It must be able to carry 2 x 2000lbs bombs inside. Not possible.

Really ?

And who care about 2000 lbs JDAM when you have these :

It must be a 5th gen.... but as not supercruiser it is a 4,9 gen....

flying supersonic make you easier to be detect by thermal system ( increase detection range by 2 times ) so why bothered ?

 

[BON PLAN]

If I am not wrong, F-35 has ability to learn from trial and error.

On top of it F-35 has ability to come up with new solutions not already being thought.

For the moment It doesn't learn a lot about its own radar failure.

 

[StealthFlanker]

And these pilots are....

American (or GB).
pampered by LM.
Too proud to be among an elite to fly this new plane.
Probably flying some specialy studied scenarios.

So.... impartial ?

The same logic can also be applied to all pilot who fly Rafale , F-22 , Typhoon and so on

 

[BON PLAN]

And about SPECTRA... Seems the Libyan Radars were able to detect Rafales even when the Rafales were using SPECTRA.. thats SPECTRA in nutshell.. So when Libyan Radars can detect a plane which carries something that helps it be "invisible to radar" then there is something very much out of place.

Someone did talk about MACE etc .. The French are apparently happy using todays (or decade old tech) to outwit a Russain 2 decade old tech... priceless.

How many Rafale shoot down? zero. Spectra send false target location to Lybian radar.....

MACE : it was a SA10 missile site. 2 decades old tech? I'm not sure. And the other planes, like a dedicated F16CJ failed....

 

[BON PLAN]

That not how stealth works , you dont just magically detect stealth aircraft at any distance just because you use lower frequency radar, and there are problem of gain and resolution cell too , it not coincidence that fire contrrol radar mostly used X band
https://basicsaboutaerodynamicsandavionics.wordpress.com/2016/04/12/radar-electronic-countermeasure/

If you can locate a F35 from hundreds kilometers from, it's not important the precision is 5km. A fighter or a missile send to it will use its own radar or IR seeker largely potent at such a distance.

 

[BON PLAN]

How exactly can Spectra give Rafale advantages over F-35 ? the so called " active cancellation is super overrated to be honest , it doesnt work that well again frequency agile radar or multiple radars , and given the huge different in RCS the F-35 will enjoy significant advantages especially if both side have jamming support (since burn through range is proportional to signal-noise ratio)

https://basicsaboutaerodynamicsandavionics.wordpress.com/2016/03/29/electronic-countermeasure-ecm/

Btw , talking about short leg , an F-35 on internal fuel can fly far longer than Rafale on internal fuel , if you put external fuel tank on Rafale then it wont be quick or agile anymore and that will increase it's RCS dramatically too

The RCS of F35, SH, EF, Rafale are known only by their respective manufacturer.

Some say F25 stealthier than F22, some not. Some say F35 is stealthier only from front side, some not.

Some say EF has half the RCS of Rafale....

Stealth will vanish in the near future. Every body work on that. But contrary to F22, F35 without stealth cap will be a poor fighter.

 

[BON PLAN]

It is according to pilot, even at current 7 G restriction F-35 have better high AoA performance and worse sustain turn rate

Be serious ! The plane is still limited to 7G NINE years after first flight ? This story of the FBW limitation is just to earn some time before the truth will be known definitively.

 

[BON PLAN]

It is extremely long leg in fact

It is short to specifications. As SH18 was before it. A US speciality ?

 

[BON PLAN]

Really ?

Those are 1000lbs bombs .

 

[BON PLAN]

flying supersonic make you easier to be detect by thermal system ( increase detection range by 2 times ) so why bothered ?

It's LM marketing which said a 5th gen is :
Stealthier,
Supercruiser,
With sensor fusion.

I just check what LM said.

 

[StealthFlanker]

How many Rafale shoot down? zero. Spectra send false target location to Lybian radar.....

So how many typhoon , F-15 , F-16 , F-18 , F-22 got shoot down ? big deal

MACE : it was a SA10 missile site. 2 decades old tech? I'm not sure. And the other planes, like a dedicated F16CJ failed....

F-16CJ didnt joined MACE XIII exercise there was only F-16A aircraft from Denmark, F-18C from Spain, Mirage 2000 and Rafale D in France, the DA-20 Falcon in Norway, and Laarjet 40 from Germany, F-4 from Turkey and the MIG-20 and L-39(Albatros) from Slovakia. And there wasnt any official source stated that only Rafale survive , there is only rumour

 

[StealthFlanker]

If you can locate a F35 from hundreds kilometers from, it's not important the precision is 5km. A fighter or a missile send to it will use its own radar or IR seeker largely potent at such a distance.

The problem is you wont be able to locate F-35 from hundreds km , and the precision wont be 5 km , precision must be viewed in term of resolution cell , a L-band arrays with similar aperture to fighter fire control radar can achieve angular accuracy of 10-20 degree at best , good luck shot down anything with that.
and even 5 km precision is horrible given that long-range missile have to follow ballistic arcs , you missiles will dive down ways before it can find it's target.

 

[BON PLAN]

So how many typhoon , F-15 , F-16 , F-18 , F-22 got shoot down ? big deal


F-16CJ didnt joined MACE XIII exercise there was only F-16A aircraft from Denmark, F-18C from Spain, Mirage 2000 and Rafale D in France, the DA-20 Falcon in Norway, and Laarjet 40 from Germany, F-4 from Turkey and the MIG-20 and L-39(Albatros) from Slovakia. And there wasnt any official source stated that only Rafale survive , there is only rumour

In Lybia? The first to enter the Lybian airspace was Rafale. EF only some days after.

No F22. no F18 (at least at the beginning. After I don't remember). F16 : UAE was not given the right to use their beautiful block 60 .... so they send Mirage 2000-9. As Qatar (tiret 5)

 

[StealthFlanker]

The RCS of F35, SH, EF, Rafale are known only by their respective manufacturer.
Some say F25 stealthier than F22, some not. Some say F35 is stealthier only from front side, some not.
Some say EF has half the RCS of Rafale....

RCS can be estimated ( to a certain degree of accuracy ) by software, especially if airframe is in optical region of the wavelength , they have done that for aged.

Stealth will vanish in the near future. Every body work on that. But contrary to F22, F35 without stealth cap will be a poor fighter.

No it wont , all big nations ( USA , China , Russia ) tried their best to have a stealth fighter nowadays , even the european whan stealth UAV and stealth missiles.

Those are 1000lbs bombs

no , they are 2000 lbs , google it

.It is short to specifications. As SH18 was before it. A US speciality ?

i dont care if it is 3% shorter than it's own specifications , the point is it still have much longer leg than most others fighters.

Be serious ! The plane is still limited to 7G NINE years after first flight ? This story of the FBW limitation is just to earn some time before the truth will be known definitively.

have a look when is it's IOC ,and FOC date is ,and it normal that more modern aircraft have longer development time.

 

[BON PLAN]

F-16CJ didnt joined MACE XIII exercise there was only F-16A aircraft from Denmark, F-18C from Spain, Mirage 2000 and Rafale D in France, the DA-20 Falcon in Norway, and Laarjet 40 from Germany, F-4 from Turkey and the MIG-20 and L-39(Albatros) from Slovakia. And there wasnt any official source stated that only Rafale survive , there is only rumour

USA came with F16, and it was F16CJ. I don't find more precision on web. Do you have?

Rumour.... it he EW world, all is rumour.... but what was not a rumour is that all the other planes were taken.

 

[StealthFlanker]

In Lybia? The first to enter the Lybian airspace was Rafale. EF only some days after.

No F22. no F18 (at least at the beginning. After I don't remember). F16 : UAE was not given the right to use their beautiful block 60 .... so they send Mirage 2000-9. As Qatar (tiret 5)

Rafale go in and hit 1 tanks , big deal
SEAD roles was done by Italian F-16 and tornado , still none get shoot down.

 

[StealthFlanker]

USA came with F16, and it was F16CJ. I don't find more precision on web. Do you have?

No F-16 CJ came to Mace XIII , F-16 CJ is very distinguishable by their ASQ-213
http://foto.poork.pl/en/fotoreportaze/mace-xiii-cwiczenia-nato/

http://www.kamov.net/general-aviation/trial-mace-xiii-exercise-in-slovakia/#.dpuf
if you can find any official source indicated F-16CJ joined MACE XIII then go ahead and try
As far as official information showed there were only F-4E, F-16AM, Mig-29AS, Mig-29UBS, Mirage 2000D, Learjet 35A, Rafale B. and E-3

what was not a rumour is that all the other planes were taken.

Give an official source then , this is similar to the BS that someone pulled before , they posted a picture of a fuselage with many F-22 marking and claimed that Rafale did that , funny how it later turned out to be a T-38 who did the shooting

 

[Zebra]

For the moment It doesn't learn a lot about its own radar failure.

May be one more software bug. Go through post #4413 again, please.