Know Your 'Rafale'

p2prada

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Hmmm - although I don't agree with Dr Kopp about the F-35, I kind of liked this article about the Superhornet ...

Flying the F/A-18F Super Hornet
Kopp is right with the points he made. But experts believe the points he made may no longer be valid in the future. That's about it.

He has always praised Russian jets like the Flanker for the right reasons and to pitch the Flankers strenghts against the F-35s weaknesses.

It does not mean he is wrong, just that he is not looking at the overall picture of air warfare over a longer period of time. His main contention is that the F-35 is more suitable for the USAF with their vast resources. Smaller countries cannot afford such resources to utilize the F-35 fully.
 

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This is an a pure fabricated Internet pipe dream. There is no sure concern from the Indian govt period. Tell me a scenario were US will sanction a hugely important client and trade partner like India? Give me one scenario...to back up this fabricated claim
Why dont you type a text on twitter saying "America must be destroyed" i am sure they will deport you back to the back water land where you really belong. USA always sells it weapons with strings to be pulled when ever they want to control someone.
 

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You have no clue about your own country, world politics do you? There will be no future nuclear test . Just because you think you will wear bigger pants does not make a nuclear test happen. There is a world wide sanction against it, there will no further cooperation on nuclear deals, no Aussie imports, severely hampered exports, economic sanctions for any country that does a nuclear test , period. Also gou have no clue that russians did not help india on civilian nuclear deals because of the sanctions and that it took the US to open it back up vor india worldwide.

And I leave alone this childish banter about the French having more geopolitical say that the US. That's Baghdad bob like proclamations.



You make me laugh.... Ever heard about Koodankulam nuke power plant???? It was constructed by the russians here... Russia was the only country which was openly co operating with us prior to nuclear deal.... so dont even dare say russians did not co operaate with us on nuclear field, also they have the most no of nuclear power plant contracts with us sadly for you that too after the nuke deal....


And about Australia.... Why were they reluctant in the 2005-6 to supply us with uranium and suddenly so keen to sell us uranium now??? any ideas.....???? I have one though,,,,, Because WE HAVE A BIGGER PURSE now and they stand to gain more by enabling us rather than take your hypocritical stand about NPT.... It has a bigger geopolitical clout too... they seek(much like your US) strategic partnership with us to counter the greater chinese threat....... It has nothing to do with non proliferation as your govt claim... And as far as nuclear fuel security is concerned, we wont face any sanctions from France Russia or any others for that matter... Also we have 25% of the worlds supply of Thorium based on which future Indian civilian nuclear program is going to be based on(in which india is the world leader):sad::sad:..... so hoping that ur threat of sanctions can hold us back is just wishful thinking....:tsk::tsk: .....


Now tell me one thing will the world risk sanctioning the Chinks if they conduct a nuclear test or you(USA) for that matter... So tell me how twenty years(2030s) from now When India will be a very big economy(one of the lifelines of the world economy then), A Super power can be blackmailed with sanctions.....????:taunt::taunt:....


You americans need to stop thinking you people are the policemen of the world at least now that you are facing serious competitions for that position....:wave::wave:
 

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This is an a pure fabricated Internet pipe dream. There is no sure concern from the Indian govt period. Tell me a scenario were US will sanction a hugely important client and trade partner like India? Give me one scenario...to back up this fabricated claim
Ok genius Then why do you think OUR military specialists went ahead to buy Rafales which is costlier and has much lesser political leverage with lesser capabilities(as per you) than your SUPERIOR, Cheaper all friendly American ones:sad::sad::sad:????? Do you think our military planners are stupid to buy a costlier less effective plane with less political leverage...????:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Now answer these questions before making tall and stupid claims about your plane...:thumb::thumb:
 

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Any paki media reaction pls post links........
The obviously know they can never talk of conventional power.. So they will rather keep quite about it, they have enough bad news comeing out of their own country.
 

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Why dont you type a text on twitter saying "America must be destroyed" i am sure they will deport you back to the back water land where you really belong. USA always sells it weapons with strings to be pulled when ever they want to control someone.
Right,

In American books there is no term 'equal partner', their partnerships are where they are the only boss. Having said I will say they are well justified, anyone with the same power will do so.
 

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The Hindu : Opinion / Editorial : Beyond the Rafale deal


Beyond the Rafale deal


India's decision to select Dassault Aviation of France to supply 126 Rafale multi-role fighters caps a process that began in 2007 to replace the Indian Air Force's ageing MiG-21s and augment its fleet of Sukhoi 30MKIs. Given the size of the contract — which, at upwards of $10 billion, is the largest defence deal struck by India — the acquisition of the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) was viewed in many quarters as a purchase in which political and strategic considerations would, or even should, play a role. Such a view was bolstered by the fact that each of the six competing aircraft originally short-listed had a lot to offer, the differences between them lying more along the perimeter than in the core. That technical and commercial factors prevailed over extra-contractual considerations became evident when the competition, following a slew of technical tests, was narrowed to two — the Rafale and the Typhoon, produced by a consortium of four European countries. Clearly, the selection process was uninfluenced by the United States administration, which had lobbied hard in favour of Boeing's F/A-18 and Lockheed Martin's F-16, suggesting that the acquisition of either was an important element in forging a closer strategic relationship. The rejection of the U.S.-manufactured aircraft underlined that we had, as one commentator wryly but wrongly noted, "settled for a plane, not a relationship."

At the same time, it would be naïve to assume that arms purchases, particularly big ticket ones by a large nation such as India, are free from strategic implications or considerations. Indeed, for India, the Rafale acquisition widens its strategic options in a world where multi-polarity is a fact of life. At a more immediate level, the decision to buy the fighters, which has been greeted with unabashed glee in Paris, could provide the leverage for India to hold France to its promise of increasing cooperation across a whole range of areas, but especially in the nuclear and defence fields, including the greater sharing of technology and expertise. Of particular interest to New Delhi, is the question of enrichment and reprocessing (ENR) equipment transfers. The Nuclear Suppliers Group reneged on its 2008 bargain with India last year by banning the sale of ENR items but France — a key member of the nuclear cartel — has said it will not be bound by the new restrictions. The French must now be held to their word. As for the IAF, the acquisition of the Rafales may stem, in the near- or medium-term, the problem of the reducing number of squadrons. However, the IAF's long-term combat aircraft requirements will need to be met by developing the promised fifth-generation fighter in cooperation with Russia and overcoming the problems that have delayed the induction of the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft.
 

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they are doing suicidal mujra

:basanti:

arrey mujra ka naam mat le ,,,i likes paki woman,gori,gori,bhari bhari


anyhow.they still busy with memogate scandal and riots in karachi, and gaerat regarding drone attack.
 

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There will be no future nuclear test . Just because you think you will wear bigger pants does not make a nuclear test happen. There is a world wide sanction against it, there will no further cooperation on nuclear deals, no Aussie imports, severely hampered exports, economic sanctions for any country that does a nuclear test , .
Actually you never know if a nuke test will happen on not.

And regarding sanctions that is what we are suspicious about you. I can say with certainity that even if we explode a nuke tomorrow France or Russia will not sanction us. Can you say that same for US..No. Therein lies our reason.

Regardind France having more clout than US, anybody who thinks so is a delusionist. US is the sole superpower in the world. But then we are in no desperate need for clout. We just want reliable, sanction-proof defence suppliers. Clout, we can manage on our own.
 

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SH is ok but the airframe is 30+ years old it is all the extras that make it a lethal plane most Superhornets do not last
more than 15 years due to stress cracks. EF and Rafele are both newer airframes to start and the Meteor is a better
BVR than AIM-120.


U.S. Grounds 104 Hornets After More Cracks Discovered | Gannett Government Media | defensenews.com

U.S. Grounds 104 Hornets After More Cracks Discovered
Those are the old hornets buddy, the SH had a wing drop problem and cracks showing up but block 2 has no such issues, besides it remain the most economical twin engine fighter to operate. No aircraft in the world could match up to the kind of use and abuse the SH faces on its daily operations. Besides some of the hornet having problems have already crossed 7500 hrs of usage.

Furthermore, the SH on offer to India has a lot of new tricks up it's sleeve. the Sh international is ideal.
 

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Thanks and sorry for the OT rant ...

Back on Rafale -

In the IAF version for Rafale - is there anything that is distinctly India? Any requirements? Special "requests"? Also I hope the switches and instructions are in English and not in French ... :D
 

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Damn, this thread moves like bullet train :)

I agree with some posters, that yes EF can pull a rabbit or two out of their hats. But it seems the French government will not let this deal go easily. As they can form a more deep relation ship with India. They are present in to every sphere of defense procurement. Over all I feel that this is a done deal in practical terms.
 

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