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It is out of the hands of IAF, it is a government decision now so we need GoI sources.
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Rafale MMRCA Deal: Last Minute Glitches?
Media reports recently surfaced stating that the Indian Air Force's (IAF's) Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) deal, which had zeroed in on the French Dassault Rafale as the fighter of choice leading to commencement of exclusive negotiations with Dassault for finalising the contract, is far from final. These reports have been attributed to parties that do have a poker in the fire: Germany, which backed the Eurofighter Typhoon; and, Russia whose MiG-35 was also in the competition. German sources claim that there have been discussions between German and Indian officials on the issue and a re-worked offer for the Eurofighter Typhoon may be in the process of being finalised. For their part, Russian sources have claimed that there is strong likelihood of the tender for the MMRCA being refloated by the Indian Government.
Possible European Compulsions
The majority of European economies continue to be in trouble, with Spain following Greece into financial grief. Italy meanwhile remains on the brink of collapse. The healthier economies of the Eurozone, France and Germany, are hard pressed to support the weaker economies recover their health. While these two economies are healthier, they are by no means anywhere near the robustness of their heyday. In this context, the $10 billion MMRCA contract is indeed a juicy prize. As noted in an earlier commentary about the Rafale on this website, the final contract value with all options exercised could go up to $ 20 billion. European defence industries facing a slowdown in domestic orders due to economic and financial woes could be expected to do their utmost to win this Indian contract by any means possible as it could be the lifeline that ensures their survival.
IAF's MMRCA Selection Process
The IAF put the six contenders through a very rigorous evaluation process and assessing them against over 600 specific parameters. It is reasonably certain that the IAF's final selection of the Rafale and Typhoon from among the MiG-35, Gripen, F-16IN "Viper", F-18E/F "Super Hornet", Typhoon and Rafale is technically very sound and that the aircraft that best meets the IAF's current and future operational requirements has been selected. Earlier disappointment expressed by the United States on the rejection of their F-16 and F-18 fighters from the competition was dealt with firmly by the Indian Government. This was despite US attempts to link the selection of an American aircraft with a possible wider strategic partnership and transfer of other advanced technology to India. Thus far, the Government of India (GoI) and IAF have been very firm on carrying out a transparent and technically correct selection of the aircraft best suited to the MMRCA requirement, which is exactly as it should be. IAF faces a multitude of challenges in the current security scenario and requires the induction of capabilities suited to effectively meeting these challenges. The Rafale deal is especially important as it is IAF's best bet to stem and even reverse the recent and continuous fall in the combat aircraft squadrons fielded; these have reportedly fallen from a high of 39.5 Squadrons to about 32 Squadrons at present.
Urgency of Induction
Delays in the Rafale program are not in the IAF's or the nation's interest. Hence, it is hoped that the Ministry of Defence (MoD), IAF and GoI will continue to maintain that the negotiations are on track, and attempt to close the deal at an early date to facilitate early induction of the new aircraft.
The French are likely to negotiate hard to maximise their benefits. While, based upon information available in the public domain, it is not possible to comment on the veracity of the recent German and Russian statements on the subject, there should be similar pressure on the French negotiators to successfully close the deal given the European economic situation. In addition, the fact that the Rafale has yet to find a non-French customer should be leveraged by Indian negotiators to push for an early closure on favourable terms. The payoffs to the French of a hotly contested and purely technical merits-based selection of the Rafale over other comparable aircraft could be a useful point in negotiations as this selection, followed by a sale to India, could open the floodgates for Rafale exports to other countries, giving France considerable medium and long term benefits.
Importance of an Early Closure of the Deal
It is imperative that the IAF, MoD, and GoI stand united in staying clear of the canards being spread by interested parties to sabotage the Rafale deal for their own financial benefit. Today the Rafale is important for IAF and the nation and anything that delays the induction of the MMRCA would go against the National Interest. IAF's falling squadron strength must be arrested at the earliest and with the LCA still at Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) stage and yet to achieve Final Operational Clearance (FOC), the Rafale is the best bet for this. In any event, even with the LCA at FOC capability would not have capabilities offered by the Rafale. By design, LCA was to form the light and lower end of the IAF fighter mix, with MMRCA filling the Medium slot, and the Su-30MKI filling the heavy slot. One illustrative parameter of comparison in this regard is that while Rafale will field an Active Electronically Scanned Antenna (AESA) Radar, the LCA will in all likelihood come at least initially with a mechanically scanned radar which too is not ready as of now. So the Rafale is very important for IAF at the current time and all attention must be focussed on an early finalisation of the commercial contract. It should be kept in mind that building of the first aircraft against the India order would commence only after the contract is inked and delays in the latter would delay the delivery of the first aircraft accordingly. Also delayed at the same time would be the establishment of the assembly line in India for building the license production batch of aircraft. Indian negotiators must push for manufacture of all components and sub-components of the Rafale in India. This is important because the import of any sub-components or components would not only entail delay but also introduce possible political and sanction pressure points etc. The current time is the most suited for India since power in the current global economic situation lies with the buyer. Economies of scale and higher cost of making small batches of such components or sub-components could be an argument for opting for import of these. Here, it should be kept in mind that non-availability of an aircraft for a mission carries a far higher cost that those imposed by lack of economies of scale. IAF must have full control over its technology. This can be achieved only through complete manufacture of its equipment within India.
Conclusion
The IAF today faces a depleted number of fighter squadrons. Its plans to stem the fall in numbers hinge to a large extent on the timely induction of Rafale even as the LCA slowly progresses towards FOC. The GoI, MoD and IAF must press ahead towards an early closure of the contract so that aircraft are inducted at an early date.
Media reports recently surfaced stating that the Indian Air Force's (IAF's) Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) deal, which had zeroed in on the French Dassault Rafale as the fighter of choice leading to commencement of exclusive negotiations with Dassault for finalising the contract, is far from final. These reports have been attributed to parties that do have a poker in the fire: Germany, which backed the Eurofighter Typhoon; and, Russia whose MiG-35 was also in the competition. German sources claim that there have been discussions between German and Indian officials on the issue and a re-worked offer for the Eurofighter Typhoon may be in the process of being finalised. For their part, Russian sources have claimed that there is strong likelihood of the tender for the MMRCA being refloated by the Indian Government.
Possible European Compulsions
The majority of European economies continue to be in trouble, with Spain following Greece into financial grief. Italy meanwhile remains on the brink of collapse. The healthier economies of the Eurozone, France and Germany, are hard pressed to support the weaker economies recover their health. While these two economies are healthier, they are by no means anywhere near the robustness of their heyday. In this context, the $10 billion MMRCA contract is indeed a juicy prize. As noted in an earlier commentary about the Rafale on this website, the final contract value with all options exercised could go up to $ 20 billion. European defence industries facing a slowdown in domestic orders due to economic and financial woes could be expected to do their utmost to win this Indian contract by any means possible as it could be the lifeline that ensures their survival.
IAF's MMRCA Selection Process
The IAF put the six contenders through a very rigorous evaluation process and assessing them against over 600 specific parameters. It is reasonably certain that the IAF's final selection of the Rafale and Typhoon from among the MiG-35, Gripen, F-16IN "Viper", F-18E/F "Super Hornet", Typhoon and Rafale is technically very sound and that the aircraft that best meets the IAF's current and future operational requirements has been selected. Earlier disappointment expressed by the United States on the rejection of their F-16 and F-18 fighters from the competition was dealt with firmly by the Indian Government. This was despite US attempts to link the selection of an American aircraft with a possible wider strategic partnership and transfer of other advanced technology to India. Thus far, the Government of India (GoI) and IAF have been very firm on carrying out a transparent and technically correct selection of the aircraft best suited to the MMRCA requirement, which is exactly as it should be. IAF faces a multitude of challenges in the current security scenario and requires the induction of capabilities suited to effectively meeting these challenges. The Rafale deal is especially important as it is IAF's best bet to stem and even reverse the recent and continuous fall in the combat aircraft squadrons fielded; these have reportedly fallen from a high of 39.5 Squadrons to about 32 Squadrons at present.
Urgency of Induction
Delays in the Rafale program are not in the IAF's or the nation's interest. Hence, it is hoped that the Ministry of Defence (MoD), IAF and GoI will continue to maintain that the negotiations are on track, and attempt to close the deal at an early date to facilitate early induction of the new aircraft.
The French are likely to negotiate hard to maximise their benefits. While, based upon information available in the public domain, it is not possible to comment on the veracity of the recent German and Russian statements on the subject, there should be similar pressure on the French negotiators to successfully close the deal given the European economic situation. In addition, the fact that the Rafale has yet to find a non-French customer should be leveraged by Indian negotiators to push for an early closure on favourable terms. The payoffs to the French of a hotly contested and purely technical merits-based selection of the Rafale over other comparable aircraft could be a useful point in negotiations as this selection, followed by a sale to India, could open the floodgates for Rafale exports to other countries, giving France considerable medium and long term benefits.
Importance of an Early Closure of the Deal
It is imperative that the IAF, MoD, and GoI stand united in staying clear of the canards being spread by interested parties to sabotage the Rafale deal for their own financial benefit. Today the Rafale is important for IAF and the nation and anything that delays the induction of the MMRCA would go against the National Interest. IAF's falling squadron strength must be arrested at the earliest and with the LCA still at Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) stage and yet to achieve Final Operational Clearance (FOC), the Rafale is the best bet for this. In any event, even with the LCA at FOC capability would not have capabilities offered by the Rafale. By design, LCA was to form the light and lower end of the IAF fighter mix, with MMRCA filling the Medium slot, and the Su-30MKI filling the heavy slot. One illustrative parameter of comparison in this regard is that while Rafale will field an Active Electronically Scanned Antenna (AESA) Radar, the LCA will in all likelihood come at least initially with a mechanically scanned radar which too is not ready as of now. So the Rafale is very important for IAF at the current time and all attention must be focussed on an early finalisation of the commercial contract. It should be kept in mind that building of the first aircraft against the India order would commence only after the contract is inked and delays in the latter would delay the delivery of the first aircraft accordingly. Also delayed at the same time would be the establishment of the assembly line in India for building the license production batch of aircraft. Indian negotiators must push for manufacture of all components and sub-components of the Rafale in India. This is important because the import of any sub-components or components would not only entail delay but also introduce possible political and sanction pressure points etc. The current time is the most suited for India since power in the current global economic situation lies with the buyer. Economies of scale and higher cost of making small batches of such components or sub-components could be an argument for opting for import of these. Here, it should be kept in mind that non-availability of an aircraft for a mission carries a far higher cost that those imposed by lack of economies of scale. IAF must have full control over its technology. This can be achieved only through complete manufacture of its equipment within India.
Conclusion
The IAF today faces a depleted number of fighter squadrons. Its plans to stem the fall in numbers hinge to a large extent on the timely induction of Rafale even as the LCA slowly progresses towards FOC. The GoI, MoD and IAF must press ahead towards an early closure of the contract so that aircraft are inducted at an early date.
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Delivery Nears For MBDA's New Missile
July 10, 2012
Long shrouded in official secrecy, the MBDA Meteor is now here. Development testing is complete, and customers are getting ready to take delivery of this game-changing missile.
For Europe's fighters it promises a capability without peer in air-to-air combat. MBDA's Meteor beyond visual range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) could become the discriminator in 21st-century air warfare, with the world divided between those who have it and those who do not.
The ramjet-powered Meteor delivers a combination of speed, range and lethality that is unmatched by any other fighter weapon in service – or in development. By the end of this year MBDA will be delivering the first real weapons that will go on to be carried by the Saab Gripen, Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale. Everyone else is playing catch-up.
It is a little over six years since MBDA fired the first Meteor. Since then MBDA has undertaken 21 test firings to complete the development program, and now the European firm is building the first production missiles. In the coming weeks MBDA will deliver the Meteor final performance statement to the international program office that will show that the missile is "fully compliant from a lethality and kinematic point of view," says Meteor chief engineer and project head Andy Bradford. "A very, very positive performance statement will be going to the partner nations."
"To support a particular customer milestone toward the end of this year we've already delivered ground handling training missiles which are required by the various authorities to practice with before they handle live ordnance," says Bradford. "The initial production of Meteor forebodies has started in Lostock [UK]. They then go through a build process that takes them to a short missile level with all their electronic and sensor subsystems, but no warhead or propulsion system. We test that, put it through a very stringent environmental screening process and then deliver to Henlow [UK], where eventually the warhead and engine are integrated."
"We are on schedule for deliveries to the UK toward the end of this year, and we have five of the partner nations on contract, so we have a significant production run ahead of us – and I think there is some real export interest starting to brew."
Germany is the last of the partner nations still to sign a Meteor production contract but, says Bradford, "the German discussions are very well advanced and we expect Germany to be on contract with us before the end of this year."
One contractual item still to be resolved is a full integration plan for the Eurofighter Typhoon. The UK is the Meteor program lead and the Typhoon was supposed to be the first aircraft equipped with the new missile. The UK has an ambition to be operational with Meteor in 2015, but that requires a level of integration work that is not yet under way.
Says Bradford, "At the moment, we have an enabling contract, in advance of the main integration program, which is de-risking that program." If that main contract is signed, then the Typhoon will gain Meteor capability around 2015-16, says MBDA.
The first operational Meteor air force will be Sweden. "We will deliver missiles to Saab this summer, which will be used for Gripen firings in the first half of next year for their own integration program," Bradford says. "We have a production schedule agreed with Sweden, and that integration program through FMV and Saab backs into the Swedish timeframe, which is about 2014." In fact, FMV has talked about having Meteor operational on the Gripen by 2013.
France is working to a longer-term requirement than the other European nations, with an in-service date for Dassault's Rafale expected around 2018.
"On Rafale we have a requirement for when French production deliveries will start," says Bradford. "We are just completing the first phase of Rafale integration and the next phase will follow next year. That continues for two or three years with a number of firings from Rafale, and we will finish well in advance of the required French delivery program."
Delivery Nears For MBDA's New Missile
July 10, 2012
Long shrouded in official secrecy, the MBDA Meteor is now here. Development testing is complete, and customers are getting ready to take delivery of this game-changing missile.
For Europe's fighters it promises a capability without peer in air-to-air combat. MBDA's Meteor beyond visual range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) could become the discriminator in 21st-century air warfare, with the world divided between those who have it and those who do not.
The ramjet-powered Meteor delivers a combination of speed, range and lethality that is unmatched by any other fighter weapon in service – or in development. By the end of this year MBDA will be delivering the first real weapons that will go on to be carried by the Saab Gripen, Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale. Everyone else is playing catch-up.
It is a little over six years since MBDA fired the first Meteor. Since then MBDA has undertaken 21 test firings to complete the development program, and now the European firm is building the first production missiles. In the coming weeks MBDA will deliver the Meteor final performance statement to the international program office that will show that the missile is "fully compliant from a lethality and kinematic point of view," says Meteor chief engineer and project head Andy Bradford. "A very, very positive performance statement will be going to the partner nations."
"To support a particular customer milestone toward the end of this year we've already delivered ground handling training missiles which are required by the various authorities to practice with before they handle live ordnance," says Bradford. "The initial production of Meteor forebodies has started in Lostock [UK]. They then go through a build process that takes them to a short missile level with all their electronic and sensor subsystems, but no warhead or propulsion system. We test that, put it through a very stringent environmental screening process and then deliver to Henlow [UK], where eventually the warhead and engine are integrated."
"We are on schedule for deliveries to the UK toward the end of this year, and we have five of the partner nations on contract, so we have a significant production run ahead of us – and I think there is some real export interest starting to brew."
Germany is the last of the partner nations still to sign a Meteor production contract but, says Bradford, "the German discussions are very well advanced and we expect Germany to be on contract with us before the end of this year."
One contractual item still to be resolved is a full integration plan for the Eurofighter Typhoon. The UK is the Meteor program lead and the Typhoon was supposed to be the first aircraft equipped with the new missile. The UK has an ambition to be operational with Meteor in 2015, but that requires a level of integration work that is not yet under way.
Says Bradford, "At the moment, we have an enabling contract, in advance of the main integration program, which is de-risking that program." If that main contract is signed, then the Typhoon will gain Meteor capability around 2015-16, says MBDA.
The first operational Meteor air force will be Sweden. "We will deliver missiles to Saab this summer, which will be used for Gripen firings in the first half of next year for their own integration program," Bradford says. "We have a production schedule agreed with Sweden, and that integration program through FMV and Saab backs into the Swedish timeframe, which is about 2014." In fact, FMV has talked about having Meteor operational on the Gripen by 2013.
France is working to a longer-term requirement than the other European nations, with an in-service date for Dassault's Rafale expected around 2018.
"On Rafale we have a requirement for when French production deliveries will start," says Bradford. "We are just completing the first phase of Rafale integration and the next phase will follow next year. That continues for two or three years with a number of firings from Rafale, and we will finish well in advance of the required French delivery program."
Delivery Nears For MBDA's New Missile
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Great Rafale pics by Fox3shots:
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wow awesome snaps of Rafales...hope we could sign the deal by next month as per reports from IAF...
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Press: Algeria will buy 80 Rafale fighter and French Mirage 2000-9
Algeria: The Algerian regime has scheduled for next 5 years, the acquisition of 80 fighter jets, a large number of drones, missile and remote sensing equipment.
The Algerian Ministry of Defence, scheduled for next 5 years, the purchase of 80 fighter jets to replace Mig 21 and 23 Russian-made army Algerian air, pending removal Service.
According to the Algerian daily El Khabar reported that this information in its Wednesday edition, experts Algerian military, would, United Arab Emirates moved to, to consider a fleet of Mirage 2000-9 UAE French, whether it's golf sets sale.
Algerian military would lean also the flagship of the French arms, the Rafale to the point of first contact on the subject, would have made "‹"‹a fair margin of air between the ANP and the French manufacturer Dassault .
Note that the Algerian Air Force has 250 Russian planes, bombers, fighters and multi-role, including Su-24 , MiG-29 or Su-30 MKA .
The newspaper also said that the U.S. government had lifted its embargo on arms sales to Algeria, and willing to sell Predator drones, and a variety of ground to air missiles, radars and other equipment for early detection.
The lifting of the U.S. embargo would have operated at the same time the announcement of the allocation of U.S. military aid to Tunisia , says El Khabar .
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Algeria: The Algerian regime has scheduled for next 5 years, the acquisition of 80 fighter jets, a large number of drones, missile and remote sensing equipment.
The Algerian Ministry of Defence, scheduled for next 5 years, the purchase of 80 fighter jets to replace Mig 21 and 23 Russian-made army Algerian air, pending removal Service.
According to the Algerian daily El Khabar reported that this information in its Wednesday edition, experts Algerian military, would, United Arab Emirates moved to, to consider a fleet of Mirage 2000-9 UAE French, whether it's golf sets sale.
Algerian military would lean also the flagship of the French arms, the Rafale to the point of first contact on the subject, would have made "‹"‹a fair margin of air between the ANP and the French manufacturer Dassault .
Note that the Algerian Air Force has 250 Russian planes, bombers, fighters and multi-role, including Su-24 , MiG-29 or Su-30 MKA .
The newspaper also said that the U.S. government had lifted its embargo on arms sales to Algeria, and willing to sell Predator drones, and a variety of ground to air missiles, radars and other equipment for early detection.
The lifting of the U.S. embargo would have operated at the same time the announcement of the allocation of U.S. military aid to Tunisia , says El Khabar .
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As much anti-colonial sentiment is in Algeria, I just couldn't see them making such a move.
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Air&Cosmos 2326, Sept 14:
M88 trial by fire
- Good performances in Lybia
- The TCO pack (M88 4E) gives 60% more potential (lifetime) to the most fragile spare parts of the engine
- Other improvements are planned (new turbine technology)
- Discussions are underway with India (GTRE + an unnamed manufacturer)
Development of a new superalloy for the M88's high pressure parts
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THANK U FOR THE PICS MATE
M88 trial by fire
- Good performances in Lybia
- The TCO pack (M88 4E) gives 60% more potential (lifetime) to the most fragile spare parts of the engine
- Other improvements are planned (new turbine technology)
- Discussions are underway with India (GTRE + an unnamed manufacturer)
Development of a new superalloy for the M88's high pressure parts
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Rafale M intensive agenda
COURTESY:OLYBRIUS
THANK U FOR THE PICS MATE
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1st pics of Rafale C137 :
C137 is the 1st serial production Rafale delivered with AESA, DDM/NG , OSF/IT (F30-04T)
If selected IAF Rafale will be identical to these Rafales..
C137 is the 1st serial production Rafale delivered with AESA, DDM/NG , OSF/IT (F30-04T)
If selected IAF Rafale will be identical to these Rafales..
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IAF to finalise Rafale fighter deal this fiscal
IAF to finalise Rafale fighter deal this fiscal | idrw.org
More delays
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Published September 20, 2012 | By admin, SOURCE: IANS
IAF to finalise Rafale fighter deal this fiscal | idrw.org
More delays
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1st pics of Rafale C137 ...C137 the 1st serial production Rafale delivered with AESA, DDM/NG , OSF/IT (F30-04T)
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Typhoon Rafale Flight
RAF, Sept 17
Senior Officers in the Royal Air Force and French Air Force traded places on 14 September to fly in Typhoon and Rafale fighter jets in a demonstration of the strong ties which exist between the two air arms.
On the eve of the RAF Leuchars Airshow and the stand-up of the RAF's fourth front line Typhoon squadron, RAF Air Vice-Marshal Stuart Atha and the Commander of the French Air Force Command, Lieutenant General Guillaume Gelée, took to the air in the rear cockpits of a Dassault Rafale B and Typhoon T3 respectively.
The flight enabled the two senior officers to better understand the capabilities of each other's aircraft, supporting the joint UK-French aim of closer co-operation. Both nations have agreed to make their armed forces more able to operate together, maximising the effect of each country's military capabilities while also saving money.
During the 90 minute flight the pair of aircraft flew at low and medium-level in Western Scotland to demonstrate handling characteristics before splitting to show the officers the various systems on each type of aircraft.
On return to RAF Leuchars, AVM Atha who as Air Officer Commanding No 1 Group was responsible for Olympics air security, said: "The two aircraft operate seamlessly together, Rafale and Typhoon is a world-beating combination."
Typhoon Rafale Flight
RAF, Sept 17
Senior Officers in the Royal Air Force and French Air Force traded places on 14 September to fly in Typhoon and Rafale fighter jets in a demonstration of the strong ties which exist between the two air arms.
On the eve of the RAF Leuchars Airshow and the stand-up of the RAF's fourth front line Typhoon squadron, RAF Air Vice-Marshal Stuart Atha and the Commander of the French Air Force Command, Lieutenant General Guillaume Gelée, took to the air in the rear cockpits of a Dassault Rafale B and Typhoon T3 respectively.
The flight enabled the two senior officers to better understand the capabilities of each other's aircraft, supporting the joint UK-French aim of closer co-operation. Both nations have agreed to make their armed forces more able to operate together, maximising the effect of each country's military capabilities while also saving money.
During the 90 minute flight the pair of aircraft flew at low and medium-level in Western Scotland to demonstrate handling characteristics before splitting to show the officers the various systems on each type of aircraft.
On return to RAF Leuchars, AVM Atha who as Air Officer Commanding No 1 Group was responsible for Olympics air security, said: "The two aircraft operate seamlessly together, Rafale and Typhoon is a world-beating combination."
Typhoon Rafale Flight
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Rupees 2lakh Crore will be spend in next 10years for iAF modernization: Air Marshal R.K Sharma.
50,000 Crore on Rafale and 1lakh Crore on FGFA.
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Rupees 2lakh Crore will be spend in next 10years for iAF modernization: Air Marshal R.K Sharma.
50,000 Crore on Rafale and 1lakh Crore on FGFA.
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Now since this deal has been already delayed we should seriously consider buying at least 40 used Rafales from France as a stop gap. I think used 40 Rafales will come at cheaper price compared to brand new fighter. Anyhow we are planning to go for additional 63 fighters then why not used 40 to meet immediate requirement. French can be invited here to train our pilots on these fighters. This way we get fighter quickly and by the time we start them having in significant numbers our pilots are already trained, infrastructure is already there. This will be a great compensation on the delay. Not to mention the mean punch these 40 Rafales will add in our AF just in year time.
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is there anything new in it
after 10 yrs,i.e in 2022 ,GOI will cancel this bid and issue new tender
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We don't have 40 Rafale to spare. The only surplus aircraft are Mirage F1 and M2000. Beefing up the M2000 fleet isn't a bad idea but no Rafale can be obtained without new orders. The production line is only 40% capacity so you should order now and can be inducted in two years.
If they are playing hard balls, than cut the deal for only 50+ fighters. Anyways they gonna be delivered beyond 2015. Speed up the LCA Tejas MK2 program. Give it a good engine producing more or less around 60KN of dry thrust, AESA radar, BVR capabilities, IRST and 5500Kg payload. General Electric F414G is good engine choice and With this engine, the Gripen Demonstrator reached Mach 1.2 in supercruise (without afterburner). Mind it, Saab Gripen is single-engine multirole fighter. OR tie up with GE or any other company which is capable of producing such engine (may b 3d thrust vectoring) and develop better ones in 50/50 partnership with company like TATA. 
Induct 550+ LCA MK-2/3 in air force and Indian Naval Air Arm, it will send chill in spines of our enemies. Stress on indigenisation and building our own industry. Show some confidence in the program and foreign exports will follow.
PS: Supercruise, AESA Radar and Stealth are main features which make the fighter 5-Gen.
LCA Tejas MK-2/3 with Supercruise, AESA Radar and semi-Stealth (low rcs + radar absorbent material) will make it a true 4.5+++ Fighter Jet
Induct 550+ LCA MK-2/3 in air force and Indian Naval Air Arm, it will send chill in spines of our enemies. Stress on indigenisation and building our own industry. Show some confidence in the program and foreign exports will follow. PS: Supercruise, AESA Radar and Stealth are main features which make the fighter 5-Gen.
LCA Tejas MK-2/3 with Supercruise, AESA Radar and semi-Stealth (low rcs + radar absorbent material) will make it a true 4.5+++ Fighter Jet
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