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A good summary of all the aero engine projects in India, foreign and domestic.
Saurav Jha's Blog : An 'engine' for India's growth


The said single crystal blades made by DMRL from my earlier post. Bit disappointing that they are only first generation and might not suffice for AMCA engine but something is better than nothing.
Shaurav jha does not even know that it is not GTRE but DMRL which is responsible for SCBs,

IMHO since it is being made first Sharauv Jha just concluded it is first generation SCB!!!!,

No details were ever given about the temp withstanding capacity of the SCBs that were batch produced by DMRL and sent to CEMILAC for testing.

And there is no point in quoting an article which gets such basic facts wrong and posting stuff like this,
Apologies to waste your time guys, XXXXXXXX knows it all, I am just a liar, a fraud and a charlatan photoshopping pictures out of thin air. All hail XXXXXXXX
 
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The ISRO cryogenic engine is at y=the 1960s western tech level,

The GTRE K-9 which did complete high altitude testing is attempting to reach the 1990s western jet engine tech with a TWR of close to 8,

For the K-9 Success we requires only DS blades, even that can not be manufactured in india till recently,

Now batch production SCBs are being tested for certification in CEMILAC as per ADA DG Tamilmani's statement.

SO you can understand the tech level.
I just meant the Time management of ISRO hope you read properly and react , never compared Kaveri & ISRO cryogenic engine aero engine can never be compared with rocket engine , there is huge difference :hail:

Kaveri has opened technological base in India & given so much spin off project like UCAV engine , Railway engine , Marine engine to power likes of Rajput class destroyer & Armoured vehicle engine :thumb:

Yes DRDO can argue is many front defending the delay & failure which is valid like santions , technology handicap on crystal blade etc

Wish they test K9 soon in Mig-29 & LCA TD:thumb:
 

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I just meant the Time management of ISRO hope you read properly and react , never compared Kaveri & ISRO cryogenic engine aero engine can never be compared with rocket engine , there is huge difference :hail:

Kaveri has opened technological base in India & given so much spin off project like UCAV engine , Railway engine , Marine engine to power likes of Rajput class destroyer & Armoured vehicle engine :thumb:

Yes DRDO can argue is many front defending the delay & failure which is valid like santions , technology handicap on crystal blade etc

Wish they test K9 soon in Mig-29 & LCA TD:thumb:
The quest for Cryognic tech is going on from 1980s itself.

World over new gen jet engine development takes a decade or two for even established engine makers. SO there is no point in deriding GTRE for the delay. No test facilities,
govt pay scale leading to massive brain drain to foreign MNCs,
and technology blind IAS cadre administering deep tech field,

all only added to the delay.,
 

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From Tarmak007 live chat with Mr. Tamilmani:

India is looking to work with Russia on Engine development

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...77675.362679130496085&type=1&relevant_count=1

Q: Russia has always been an ally to us,can't we engage in many more projects with Russia and learn much from them for our future projects like China does ?they seem very willing for partnership than western counterparts.

Dr.Tamilmani : Yes. What you said is a fact. We are already integrating for joint working in our engine development prog.

Few more things related to Kaveri.

Q: Sir, I heard Kaveri Engines are going through rough times and India had to ask for help from abroad. Is it true? and if it is true, cant we find a solution within India?

Dr.Tamilmani : The solution for the few problems in kaveri are totally indian. However at times we seek an independent audit prior to testing on engine

Q: why india don't have any indigenously built Engine. .?.rather Tejas also has an US made Engine isn't it?...
it's really unfortunate tht India never had single indigenous Engine. .whether for aircraft, Car, bike..?...kaveri engine still in failure..why.???


Dr.Tamilmani : Good question. We have not focused on engine development. We have initiated multiple engine development progs for both UAVs, choppers and trainers synergising the competence of DRDO, HAL and private industries. You will see Indian engines by 2020.

Q: Also what's the status for Kaveri? Is it true India going to develope 75-110kn class turbofan?

Dr.Tamilmani : Kaveri is in the testing phases for endurance and reliability with multiple prototypes for certification process. We hope to succeed in 2 years after completing the airworthiness tests.

Q : Sir, plz provide some info on SCB manufacturing in India

Dr.Tamilmani : it is not in DRDO mandate. As such i am not aware of this.
 
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Posted in RAfale thread, might interest some here. In latest Air&Cosmos issue, it is stated that SNECMA expects a 100% built M88 for indian RAfales. They would be in touch with a high precicion foundry that already make parts for BMW engines.
 

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Yes it is true that Kaveri won't power LCAmk-1/2 nor AMCA. It was confirmed by K. Tamilmani(Aero DG) himself few days ago in Tarmak007 facebook page.
Really Sad , after so much time & money spent :tsk:

Hope the technology development will continue for future aero engines :thumb:
 

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I would say the best option for the DRDO is to sell this engine tech to Indian defense Private Sector while GTRE develop the Engine for UAV using this same tech (kind of sharing) lets see what happens when the private sector gets its hands on this engine and start to play with the tech

any suggestion regarding this is most welcome
Kaveri engine will not power Tejas MK-1 nor AMCA | idrw.org

Kaveri will not power LCA MK1 Nor AMCA

Is this is true:facepalm:
 

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I would say the best option for the DRDO is to sell this engine tech to Indian defense Private Sector while GTRE develop the Engine for UAV using this same tech (kind of sharing) lets see what happens when the private sector gets its hands on this engine and start to play with the tech

any suggestion regarding this is most welcome
Yes something is better than nothing , but who will take this type of decision??
 

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The quest for Cryognic tech is going on from 1980s itself.

World over new gen jet engine development takes a decade or two for even established engine makers. SO there is no point in deriding GTRE for the delay. No test facilities,
govt pay scale leading to massive brain drain to foreign MNCs,
and technology blind IAS cadre administering deep tech field,

all only added to the delay.,
So you are saying its allright that they failed to deliver a turbofan. Although to be fair they did deliver a turbojet which may be used in a UCAV.
 

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So you are saying its allright that they failed to deliver a turbofan. Although to be fair they did deliver a turbojet which may be used in a UCAV.
GE-414 EPE and EDE were developed from the baseline GE-404.

Engine dvelopment is an iterative process,

So from K-9's knowledge base we can develop better tech engines,

Multi path impingement, better cooling tech, better SCB blade tech and thermobaric coatings will all follow one by one to develop next level of engine tech..

However without the flight validated K-9 all the above developments are not possible

Thats the path followed through out the world.

Every new engine is not a brand new effort, but an incremental step over the existing engine tech level.

If K-9 is flight certified we will finally have a working engine which validates all the tech and theory behind a 1990s level western engine tech.

That is more cutting edge than ISRO's GSLV effort which still carries the 1960s level cryogenic payload.
 

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The ECO core that was offered by the French was obsolete, so IAF rejected the deal.

Let's see if there is a future engine project because GTRE floated a third tender for an engine partner.
 

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Strange thing is IAF which considers eco core obsolete is willing to pay 43 million dollar per plane for Mirage-2000 upgrade which has even more obsolete core in a much older engine tech.
 

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Oman Tribune - the edge of knowledge
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Nirbhay missile has sub-metre accuracy, says DRDO ex-chief
Jeta Pillai

MUSCAT Nirbhay, India's long range sub-sonic cruise missile, which is undergoing trials, will have sub-metre accuracy, according to Dr VK Saraswat, former director-general of Defence Research and Development Organisation, the developers of the missile.

This will give it the ability to hit a small target among multiple objects at a range of up to 1,000km. The BrahMos supersonic cruise missile, with a range of 300km, has an accuracy of a few metres.

Saraswat, who is currently holder of Department of Atomic Energy's Homi Bhabha Chair, was presented this year's 'Dr ASG Jaykar Award' at Indian School Wadi Kabir as part of the Science India Fiesta 2014 that concluded on Saturday.

BrahMos, he said, will not be affected even if satellite navigation is jammed because it has a very good homing radar seeker which takes care of all mid-course errors.

About Astra, the active radar homing beyond-visual-range (BVR) air-to-air missile reportedly undergoing trials using Sukhoi 30MKI fighters, he said: It is state-of-the-art, in terms of homing capability, probability of intercept and success rate of the mission. The best aircraft, whatever manoeuvrs it can make, Astra will outwit it."

Dhanush, a ship launched version of Prithvi missile with a range of 359km, has an accuracy of less than 10m and is mainly for static targets, including those on land, said Saraswat. The missile was test-fired successfully in November 2013.


On the suggestion that India's Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) system would disturb military balance in the region, Saraswat said: "It is like any other weapon. When the number of fighter squadrons or tanks, is increased, it will also result in military imbalance."

But, since India has a policy of no first use of N-weapons, we should have the capability to defend against a rogue N-attack. It must have the time to counter-attack and that is possible only with BMD, which can destroy an incoming missile, he added.

On the possibility of new radars detecting stealth aircraft, he said: "Already there are radars that can detect very low cross-section systems. Aircraft exhaust has infrared (IR) radiation that can be detected, therefore work is on to suppress IR radiation from aircraft. Similarly, ground radars are also becoming more potent with 'low probability of intercept' radars and hi-fidelity radars. Then there are passive radars or no transmission radars which only receive signatures from transmissions that are in the environment and then try to find out where they are coming from. With more signal processing techniques, radars will overcome the stealth."

Saraswat said the level of autonomy in electronic warfare systems on fighter aircraft continues to increase and are able to decide 'what the threat is, how to overcome it' and how to make yourself safer against it. "All future radars and radar warning receivers will have that capability and a lot of it is happening today. In many cases missile firing is also done automatically, but

India, he said, was waiting for its first thorium-based reactor to become operational which would be a breakthrough in the effort to meet its energy needs as Kerala had very large deposits of thorium.

Saraswat said the Kaveri engine, which was originally developed for the Light Combat Aircraft 'Tejas', had passed all tests and would now be used for large Unmanned Aerial Vehicles that are under development.

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Joint venture planned for manufacturing gas turbines - The Hindu

Public sector behemoths Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) and Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd. (BHEL), along with the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), are exploring a joint venture to design, develop, and manufacture gas turbines for many critical uses in the country.

Teams from these agencies are working on the details of such a venture, which can create a large, vital Indian capability for gas turbines.

They are also crafting a technology road map in this area, assessing infrastructure and expertise available in the country as well as identifying a suitable technology to acquire or develop for the country, persons close to the development told The Hindu.

Gas turbines are used across civil and military sectors, such as in large passenger aircraft, fighter aircraft and ships, besides industrial and power sectors.

At present, there is no comprehensive indigenous technology on gas turbines and much of it is imported.

Each of these agencies holds a part of that treasure map.

The DRDO and HAL confirmed the development.

GOOD TIMES AHEAD IF THIS JV GETS OFF TIMELY:thumb:
 

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WS-10 and 15 are more or less clones of AL-31 of Russian engines, AL-31 is a large engine design for heavy fighters, Were as Kaveri and GE-404 & 414 so does Russian RD-33 & French Snecma M88 fall for medium and light fighters ..

Let me give some pics and there dimensions and other specs =================>>



Saturn AL-31

Type: Two-shaft afterburning turbofan
Length: 4,990 millimetres
Diameter: 1,280 millimetres
Dry weight: 1,570 kilograms

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Kaveri

Type: afterburning turbofan
Length: 3490 mm
Diameter: 910 mm
Dry weight: 1,235 kg

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General Electric F414

Type: Afterburning turbofan
Length: 3,912 mm
Diameter: 889 mm
Dry weight: 1,110 kg

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Klimov RD-33

type: afterburning turbofan
Length: 4,229 mm
Diameter: 1,000 mm
Dry weight: 1,055 kg


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Engines comes in different shape and size for different Class of fighters ..
good info.

kindly add Thrust-to-weight ratio for all.
F414 is 9:1 or 11:1 ?

can u give a list of engines with Thrust-to-weight ratio of more than 9:1.............
 

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